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« on: August 03, 2021, 10:23:06 AM »

My ex was all about herself, but in a way that had a very innocent charm. I don't think she was ever intentionally malicious in her self centered behaviors, it all seemed far too genuine. It's a kind of self centeredness that is very hard to get mad at, but has a lot of repercussions. I found myself taking a lot of things "on the chin", but never resolving them.

Usually when she hurt me, she'd get upset, and then suddenly I'd be one consoling her for upsetting me and completely miss that I just needed a bit of consolation and a loving arm to feel better.

This got to the point where she said to me "I think you need to decide which of my behaviors you're willing to put up with and which you're not". She was telling me in all honesty that she was not going to change, and that it's up to me to decide whether to stay, and that it's my responsibility. And that's true, especially true if she doesn't feel that she needs to change or want to.

I said to her once that I was seeing the revival of mental health issues I've not had since I was a teenager, and she said "yeah I just weighed myself and now I'm 4lbs heavier and I'm having anxiety". I was shocked at that, but she was actually upset, and it affected her the entire day, how can I get annoyed at her for not knowing that she should've checked if I'm ok?

I found myself coaching her through how I expected her to respond to certain situations and felt that I was 'teaching empathy'? She was really receptive to it a few times but I started to stop as pulling up your girlfriend and saying "no you should behave like this" just isn't right either. It was very conflicting, I could sense she was developing an insecurity around it so I didn't do it again, but it lead to some very uncomfortable situations.

A couple of examples:

  • She kept walking forward to a guy who was trying to social distance and she didn't have a mask on. He kept stepping back and she kept going forward. He ended up covering his mouth/nose with a sheet of paper but she continued to go forward.
  • She got mad at a nurse at CVS because her vaccine was delayed. The nurse said she was working till 1am the night before and we were there at 8am, she looked like she was going to cry.

In both of those examples I explained to her that the people around her were uncomfortable. She praised me a few times with comments like "wow, you're such a good person, you're always constantly thinking about other people and how they're feeling". That's actually not true, it's just a natural understanding of people.

The self centeredness also manifested of measurements of self worth based on interactions/qualities of the people around her. Even if she didn't like a person, if they didn't like her, she'd sometimes have episodes because of that. She needed people that she didn't like to like her. An interesting manifestation of that is that she dumped me, said we're single and there's no rules, told me not to wait for her, but then told me I was hurtful and she was crushed/devastated for going on a date.

I got really upset/mad at her a few times for this, and she really didn't understand why, and seemed incapable. I could see her really mentally struggling to understand me when I talked about how things made me feel, or why I got upset/mad and I'd say "did you hear me?" and she'd say "I tried" and I know she did try, but she couldn't connect to it.

Realizing this makes me feel all the worse for some of my reactions to her self centered behavior. Especially at the end. She was never trying to hurt me, there was just something missing and she didn't understand. I would've handled things very differently in hindsight .


 
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2021, 12:41:03 PM »

Don't beat yourself up. You were trying to be a good partner, not a good therapist, and you took on many of the latter's duties even though you didn't have to.

Almost all of the behaviours you describe are familiar.

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Usually when she hurt me, she'd get upset, and then suddenly I'd be one consoling her for upsetting me and completely miss that I just needed a bit of consolation and a loving arm to feel better.

This, every single time.

My ex also more or less told me he wasn't going to change -- by literally saying "I'm bad for your needs". At the time I couldn't make sense of it.

When I confided in him that I had been feeling down and was speculating whether it could be a depressive episode (it turned out to be a migraine), he suddenly retreated into himself with literally the same excuse, adding that his mother had recently told him he'd been in therapy as a child, but that he couldn't remember. (Who knows if that's true.) It was as if he wanted to one-up me.

I once made a careless joke about a medical way of committing suicide, and he asked me why I knew about this? I hesitantly told him I had considered it at one low point in my life. He just sat next to me, arms crossed, eyes closed, while a single tear trickled down his cheek. It looked and felt as if he was pitying himself.

Oh God, and the social situations...
- Him accosting an old man on a bike who had rung the bell for us to let him pass. The old man even cordially yelled "Thank you". My ex responded: "Shut up!" I was shocked and had to explain to my ex that that man had simply been friendly, not sarcastic or aggressive.
- Trying to buy shoes at the shop near closing time, and staying past it because he couldn't decide, while the poor assistant slowly ran out of complimentary ways of saying "get the Cursing - won't cause site restrictions at Starbucks (click to insert in post) out". He ended up not buying anything.
- Sulking when we were out in public because he felt this wasn't "his crowd". NB. No crowd was his crowd. He was especially angry when people paid attention to me instead of to him.

The "no empathy" factor manifested in a bunch of other ways, too. He gave me the most horrible presents I've ever received, and given that I was orphaned at the age of six, my standards for presents really are very low -- to be honest, I'd rather not have received any than these. For my birthday, he gave me a used (!) CD with obscure, rather poor video game music he liked (and I didn't; + I don't even own a CD player, which he knew), and for Christmas, he gave me bags of loose tea. I really started questioning my sanity when considering that even some of my piano students had given me more thoughtful gifts than this person who I was supposed to be closest to.

Like your ex, my ex also couldn't stand the thought of people not liking him. Here's a hilarious one, when he learnt that my gay best friend didn't find him attractive, he sulked for days and complained for weeks after.

And shortly before he discarded me the first time, he told me he needed "time" to think about whether he wanted to be in a relationship with me... when I responded that I wasn't going to wait around whether he wanted me or not, and that if he wasn't going to be exclusive, I too wanted the freedom of seeing other people, he immediately dumped me.

So... threads like this one make me wonder how much there really is to a person with the disorder. The disordered aspects are all so frighteningly similar. Not even gender makes a difference; male, female, it's exactly the same patterns.

Speaking for myself, I don't care whether his selfishness was innocent (which I assume) or malignant. The effect it had was the same: I was constantly undermined, put down, taken for granted, mistreated, insulted and violated in my boundaries.

No more for me, thank you.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2021, 01:00:36 PM »

The gifts made me laugh. I received a picture frame for my photography (which I didn't do once we started dating because she seemed to disapprove and when she disapproved of me in some way she treated me worse) and a towel ring! Laugh out loud (click to insert in post).

And shortly before he discarded me the first time, he told me he needed "time" to think about whether he wanted to be in a relationship with me... when I responded that I wasn't going to wait around whether he wanted me or not, and that if he wasn't going to be exclusive, I too wanted the freedom of seeing other people, he immediately dumped me.

I went through this a few times too, every time I'd say something similar to her and she'd get annoyed at me. She'd also say bizarre stuff like "I have a dependency on you and I need to detach" when breaking up with me, I was so painfully confused.
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2021, 05:02:06 PM »

The gifts made me laugh. I received a picture frame for my photography (which I didn't do once we started dating because she seemed to disapprove and when she disapproved of me in some way she treated me worse) and a towel ring! Laugh out loud (click to insert in post).

Did you at least have a need for a towel ring or was that just a random item she gave you?  Smiling (click to insert in post)

It seems to be a common thing among pwBPD. My diagnosed high school best friend was always puzzled how I "knew" what to give her for special occasions. They were merely basic gifts related to her interests and tastes in a very primitive way. She somehow couldn't make the mental connection of how the average person could shift into the perspective of another. -- The gifts she gave me I don't remember. I do vaguely remember that they seemed quite thought- and careless. In fact, she probably just didn't know any better (and neither did my ex and probably your ex).

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I went through this a few times too, every time I'd say something similar to her and she'd get annoyed at me. She'd also say bizarre stuff like "I have a dependency on you and I need to detach" when breaking up with me, I was so painfully confused.
Oooh, the damned if you do, damned if you don't motif. Yeah, I see that.

If a neurotypical person told you "I have a dependency on you and I need to detach", I suppose it could make sense in some contexts – such as a woman realising that her biochemistry is taking over her whole thinking and that she needs to dial back her efforts in the relationship a little and focus more on her own independent life. The thought behind this being "I have to fix my own self-esteem, not only for myself but also in order to be able to show up and be my best self in this partnership".

Of course, in that scenario, it wouldn't be a conversation to break up, but likely one to salvage the relationship, one which takes into the account the partner's feelings.

Such conversations never happen with pwBPD. Emotionally, they're five-year-old children parading around in grownup bodies.
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