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Zenful
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« on: June 17, 2022, 09:47:08 AM »

Hello everyone! I found this site few days ago and since then I have been reading people's posts here. It's so weird how similar people with BPD (and the relationships between the one with BPD and the people closest to them) can be.

I have a sister who has BPD. We have been through a lot together. We have supported each other. There are times, when she seems like "normal". It's like a good period. But then there are the times, when everything with her is impossible. Out of the blue she begins a never ending rant of something that she's upset about and I just don't know what I'm supposed to do in that situation.

For example, one time was like this: we were having a good time one evening, having a movie night with snacks. And then out of the blue she starts this negative monologue about her "bad" friend and it was almost midnight. I felt so helpless, not knowing what to say. She left, seeming kinda upset and I was just left wondering what had just happened.

It just feels so unfair to be treated like this, like I'd be just her personal, free, 24/7 available therapist. I feel so used. We come from a dysfunctional family, she knows that our mother used me for very long time as a free therapist and now my sister is trying to do the same? I have tried to get her to talk to reach for help from mental health professionals, but every time she just gets angry, because "why can't she talk to me, other people talk to their friends etc. too". But it doesn't work both ways. When I'm trying to open up about something, I get interrupted repeatedly and she tries to hijack the whole conversation, making everything about her. Or changing the subject, because "she doesn't like the topic" or something like that.. And it's impossible to have a conversation with her about the things she does and how they make me feel. There's zero accountability. She always tells me how I'm mistaken and invalidates my feelings. This isn't good for me at all and so triggering, because in child I was invisible if I wasn't used for something (being a listener, made fun of, or made "guilty" of something).

The problem is, we together cut all ties to our toxic family and I feel a bit guilty now for needing space. Even though I know it's not my fault that she has ruined many of her good friendships, lost people who'd support her. I know it's not my responsibility to be her only support and her emotional junkyard. I'm just afraid that she does something stupid, starts hanging out with dangerous people for example (has happened before). But she won't get the help she needs from professionals, because she has this stubborn thought, that having friends would fix her problems. And that friends (and me) are supposed to be her free, endless emotional support. And doesn't want to understand, that relationships don't work like that, and that she's exploiting people when she does that. And no, I have not said these things to her like this, I have been as gentle as anyone can be, to not make her angry. I'm afraid what she might do.

Thanks to everyone who takes time to write a comment. I really appreciate it.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2022, 11:21:06 AM »

Hi Zenful,

Will things ever change? In my experience no.

It's probably a combination of genetic and environmental factors.  It's a rare therapist and patient who can resolve the PD with skills and tools, so my advice is to not let her groom you into believing it is your job to help her.

My pwBPD is my mother.  She groomed me to be her emotional caretaker.  After my dad died, she eventually saw a counsellor once.  She said it was the worst experience of her life (interestingly enough every perceived negative experience is the "worst").  Something blew up in that meeting.  She came away from it pressuring me by telling me that the counsellor had told her she didn't need a counsellor because she had a daughter who could help her better.
That was 20 years ago before I heard of BPD, but I still knew it was BS.  I had to listen to her say that many times.  I just kept ignoring it and changing the subject.

I call these "baits".  They bait us all the time, to draw us into their drama.  If you ever take the bait, she will "reel you in" to the drama, which usually involves being her emotional caretaker.  
Once this becomes a pattern, it is harder to pull away because the pwBPD pushes back so hard and says mean and hurtful things which most of us seem quite afraid of hearing, and will do almost anything to avoid.  Does any of this ring true?

Today my mom is 86.  I am 60.  Her BPD behaviors worsened with age, instead of improving.  I found this site almost 3 years ago.  At the top of the PSI (Parent Sibling In-Law) board are some links.  Look for a link that says "How to Get the Most out of this Site" (if you haven't already found it).  Based on what you have shared so far, I would recommend starting with the following (if you haven't already):
- Emotional Blackmail: FOG (fear obligation guilt)
- SET (support, empathy, truth)
- don't JADE (don't justify, argue, defend, or explain)
- Setting Boundaries (the boundaries are to protect you, and are not for her)
- don't be invalidating

Everything there is worth reading, but one has to start somewhere.  These are the tools that we can use to understand the disease, and protect ourselves from the craziness.  These tools work.

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There are times, when she seems like "normal". It's like a good period. But then there are the times, when everything with her is impossible.
This is typical.  The non-normal times are when the disease is active.  It is a disease that impairs their ability to regulate their emotions. I tend to think of the "normal" times as when the disease is in "remission".  But it's still underlying, and any perceived slight can trigger it again (you gave an example).

When it's triggered, that's the time to use your "tools" (SET, don't JADE, don't invalidate, set boundaries).

So when she starts her monologue at midnight about her "bad" friend, you could reply with something like "hey sis, it sounds like ____ (name) has really upset you. [Support] That would feel really awful. [Empathy]  Can we talk about this in the morning when we are fresher?  I am too tired right now at midnight. [Truth]"  This is just an example.  There are any number of things you can say to fit your situation.

What we have to learn is we can't solve their problems for them. The best approach I have found it to "ask validating questions" (look for this in the above links) and thus steer them to solving their own problems.

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I have tried to get her to talk to reach for help from mental health professionals, but every time she just gets angry, because "why can't she talk to me, other people talk to their friends etc. too". But it doesn't work both ways. When I'm trying to open up about something, I get interrupted repeatedly and she tries to hijack the whole conversation, making everything about her.
Yes. So in my experience, pwBPD are quite narcissistic (especially in an emotional dysregulation).  My mother once famously told H and I that she didn't want to hear about our "work".  Sometimes we would share stories about our career with her (a piece of ourselves) but she didn't want to hear about it.  It was decades later when we finally figured out that she didn't want to hear about it because it wasn't about her.  We mistakenly thought maybe we were sharing too many stories (we weren't).  pwBPD have a way of gaslighting us to make us feel like it's our fault.

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And that friends (and me) are supposed to be her free, endless emotional support. And doesn't want to understand, that relationships don't work like that, and that she's exploiting people when she does that. And no, I have not said these things to her like this, I have been as gentle as anyone can be, to not make her angry. I'm afraid what she might do.

Has she ever threatened suicide?

Have you heard about or read the book "Stop Walking on Eggshells"?  I highly recommend this book.  It's an easy read, and one that as family members, we all connect with.  I couldn't believe when I was reading it, how true it rang.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2022, 09:49:57 AM »

Hello Methuen and thanks for your reply!

I know that it’s not my job to be anyone’s helper, but how can I make it clear these emotionally draining people? Is there any chance it could be somehow stated to them and not havinig to suffer too heavy ”consequences” for protecting myself? Just thinking for the best strategy, of course if there’s no way, then hope to find a way with the least negative effect.

Wow, what the hell! Funny thing, my sister told me she quit her psychotherapy, because her therapist thought that my sister was a narcissist. Not sure anymore if her therapist actually said that or if it was just my sister’s own interpretation of something that was said.. How does your mother react when you do the ”ignore and change subject” thing? I’m surprised if there’s no reaction!

I’m not sure if I completely understand the bait thing you’re talking about.. In my case, there are these certain topics that she brings up once in a while, and the ”rants” go on almost identically and it SO WEIRD! It’s like a memorized speech she’s repeating again? I’ve refused to ”blindly” take her side if I’ve felt her being totally unfair & because I don’t want to encourage her to burn bridges with actually good people.

Hey thanks for the tips, I haven’t found those yet!
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