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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2022, 06:39:16 AM »

Max, you recognize that your home situation is a contributor to the children's behavioral and emotional issues.

I hope you don't ever consider home schooling as an option.

I agree completely with NotWendy -- DON'T even consider home schooling as an option.
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2022, 12:48:40 PM »

Max, you recognize that your home situation is a contributor to the children's behavioral and emotional issues.

I hope you don't ever consider home schooling as an option.

Absolutely not.  I've got two SIL that do/have done that.   With one I hear it has been positive, but I don't see or talk to them much and haven't seen the kids in 7 years.   The other one was a DISASTER.  My brother or SIL won't admit it was a disaster - but really could not have been worse.   
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« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2022, 12:06:46 AM »

Hi Max.
It's been a long time since I've posted here. You're kids weren't born last I was on the site. I have a S17 and S11 with  uBPDxw. School, Covid, and BPD unravelled S17. He's in 3rd high school in 3 years and now lives with xw and only sees me every other weekend. A year ago, we were still 50/50 parenting.

Both our boys were enrolled at a private school, and like Livednlearned discovered, I kinda wish they had been in public school because I think S17's issues may have received more help, even though he had incredibly loving and kind teachers. During our divorce, xw had CPS visit after I had left the house. When I finally got access to the report (years after the event), turns out S11's 1st grade teacher notified CPS about xw as mandatory reporter ... because she wanted to drive her car with both boys in it into a brick wall when S17 was having a tantrum. She said his anger entered into her head and demanded she drive the car into a building. She didn't do it, thankfully, but she managed to blame him for it. No surprise there. CPS interviews with the school administrators indicated that the school had protocols in place for dealing with xw, including informing new teachers about her. I fault myself for not knowing just how much xw was creating friction and drama with sons' teachers and the school. I was definitely in FOG.

And S17 is now alienated from me (growing worse despite all my efforts to reach him) and is clinging to BPDmom to protect him and guide him. My only comment is that if you are, at any point, thinking of divorce, as hard as it may be, try to obtain full custody - don't settle for less. I thought that I had enough of a victory getting 50/50 and shared decision authority and that my love for my sons would prevail. It doesn't work that way. BPD behaviors can be so destructive and pervasive, and frankly, your BPDw sounds considerably worse than my xw (if I recall she hit you in the head with a phone once). I want to support you, but I am probably too triggered reading this post to be helpful. You seem like a good guy. If your kids truly improve so dramatically when your w is gone for just 2 days, that really has to tell you something. The best chance for your children is if their contact with their mom is limited and managed. But to achieve that, you have to be prepared. I was not.
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2022, 05:15:54 PM »

The best chance for your children is if their contact with their mom is limited and managed. But to achieve that, you have to be prepared. I was not.

This is where things get thorny.  I was told by an L a while back that in my state, parent time usually gets awarded 50/50 unless some kind of circumstance would change that.  The L said that is what I could expect initially.  Documentations of abuses could help persuade things, but what she told me was that more important are things that happen after the separation to show that she is not capable of taking care of the kids on her own even half the time.  In other words, short of an arrest record or a legal case against her, the court would likely "give her a chance" if it was felt the kids were not in immediate danger.  But the L assured me that in cases with someone as unstable as her, more than likely it would not be long that parent time would be 50/50.

So my options are to legally split and in the most likely scenario parent time will be 50/50.  That means 50% of the time I have little to no control over what goes on.   I worry about that 50% of the time the kids are with her.  Or I wait until I feel confident I can get awarded full parenting time/custody.  At least with the status-quo I have some input/knowledge of what goes on 100% of the time.  If W is having her typical crappy day, I can take the kids to the park.  Or I can simply be the stable person in the house for the kids when things are chaotic.
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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2022, 10:06:19 PM »

We understand.  It's tough.  The unknown is scary.  So is the "what if..."

When I separated, my courts defaulted to mother got temp custody and temp majority time.  That left me with no custody and 3 day alternate weekends and 3 hours in an evening in between.  (This was over 15 years ago and my state was still influenced by the Tender Years Doctrine that mothers were defaulted as best.  You're in a better state.)  I had two temp orders, one for the separation and a similar one for the 2 year divorce.

My point is "been there, done that".  Yet your kids would benefit with at least some of their lives in a reasonably normal environment.  And as the lawyer stated, your minimum ought to be 50% and probably more.

Have you hired a lawyer yet?  If not, have you interviewed a few to determine which one is (1) more proactive, (2) is experienced with difficult cases, (3) has a variety of solid strategies, (4) has a definite path to start any separation with you seeking as much parenting as possible from the very start?  I ask because many lawyers assume their main task will be to fill out forms, seek only the usual temp orders and hold your hand.  With cases like ours, we need far more than the typical filling out forms and holding hands.  That's why it is recommended to interview a few lawyers.

Years ago I read one smart suggestion... Ask in the interview if the lawyer had your troubling circumstances, who would the lawyer choose for legal representation?  Those are the names to add to your list.  (Lawyers work for you, you pay them, so don't be timid to ask.  They know they won't be hired by every person walking in the door.)

The lawyer I used for my separation told me she was too new - and not in my county - to handle my divorce.  She recommended someone local she respected.  But even he was caught off guard.  He estimated my divorce should be 7-9 months, it was nearly 2 years.
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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2022, 10:31:33 PM »

max,

If joint custody is the default, that may be better than what's going on, especially as ForeverDad says, get residential or decision making (home) status even with joint custody.

My ex is BPD-lite, but I'm "home base" by default. She moved 4 times within 3 years, 3 different school districts. She still tried to pressure me in the last, but I Triangulated with the school.

Nothing will be easy, and her beau-cum-husband told me, "when you return the kids, they seem so much calmer." I saw them jumping around and wondered how much worse they were with them. I didn't, but I also knew what he was talking about.

Later, she told me (bless her heart for volunteering information), "I tell the kids things and they always defend you!" Maybe stop criticizing me to them.

To this day, they still desire for me to handle their school stuff because they know I follow through while she "forgets because she's busy." D10's words last week. Busy doing what? Instagramming and Facebooking? Of course I don't say that to them. It frustrates me, but it's about the kids.

Don't underestimate the positive influence and safe space that you can provide even half of the time.
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« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2022, 12:25:49 PM »

the L assured me that in cases with someone as unstable as her, more than likely it would not be long that parent time would be 50/50.

It's a good sign that your L is sort of laying out what is essentially a multi-part strategy, which is in all honesty what most of us in high-conflict divorces experience. What we ask for and what we get usually changes after separation. That goes with the territory in high-conflict divorces.

The judge is considered a "supreme" witness and that's sort of how it unfolds, where we bring our specific dysfunction to the judge and other third-party professionals to shine light on things. It's not ideal, but neither is dysfunction and pathology existing mostly in the shadows.

Another possibility is that you get 50/50 on paper but your wife cedes time because she doesn't handle stress well and parenting is stressful. Single parenting even more so, especially for a parent struggling to get through the day (altho parenting in the same home with a disordered spouse is arguably the most stressful, at least in my experience).

I think the decision to separate is deeply personal and one of the hardest that many of us make in our lifetimes, and I make no judgment on anyone's process nor do I have any illusion that our predicaments are solved easily with information. For many of us it comes down to whether or not we can tolerate what may feel like terror when we finally leave, or some other unmanageable emotion. For me, it was a combination of preparation, knowing my son's future was at risk, and abject fear. It simply became too frightening to stay.

We all have a line in the sand for what we can tolerate.

However, it's important to be honest with yourself. You might be overstating your ability to keep them safe. One of your kids has stress-related incontinence that is making it hard for him at school. This is happening with two parents in the home. For many of us, unless our spouses are working hard and receiving treatment for their trauma and symptoms, our kids aren't emotionally safe.

I left when my son was 9, about to turn 10, and like your son, he had what I now realize were serious issues that began manifesting in preschool. He's now 21 and can reflect on his childhood, and I find it baffling that the night his dad had a psychotic episode is not the memory he focuses on, but on the nightly abuse at our dinner table. Maybe that will change, and maybe it's a memory he simply doesn't want to re-live. In his thinking, he solved the problem of his dad's psychosis by pretending to be asleep, which, later in therapy, his therapist told him was clever. Whereas, I sat at the dinner table nightly prior to the divorce and not only did nothing to protect my son, I taught him to do nothing, too.

Had I put my food down during these episodes and said no more verbal abuse, it would've been WWIII, so I'm not saying the opposite of doing nothing is to toss a grenade. My point is that sometimes we think we're protecting our kids when we're actually laying down the groundwork for PTSD or other issues. We're training them to do what we did, what our parents modeled for us, and that might not be healthy for anyone, including our spouses with BPD.

For me, I went even further. To placate my ex, which enabled the dysfunction, I bought n/BPDx boxed wine (so there would be no bottles in the recycling) because he was too socially anxious to go into supermarkets, despite somehow having the capacity to buy alcohol in a liquor store. And then I spent the better part of the day and night thinking I was the safer parent for my son, trying to shield him from the instability I had helped create.

It's why I think you have to get very uncomfortably clear about what you value and then work from there. For me, it was my kid's well-being. I decided to make critical changes to ensure his safety and that made things untenable. But I had to stand up for something, and not just try to shelter him from his dad. I had to insist on therapy, and I had to say no to the verbal abuse. Maybe some pwBPD would be ok with those changes, but mine fell into the "not cooperative, dangerous" category that Bill Eddy discusses.

I guess the short version of what I'm trying to say is that status quo isn't an option. You have to choose to leave or to stay and become the emotional leader in the family. You have to be willing to infuse a lot of healthy leadership so your kids see someone not just shielding them but actively showing them what it looks like to stand up to a bully.

I worry about that 50% of the time the kids are with her.

You're smart to worry.

Something bad will probably happen. ForeverDad probably remember the night my ex had a psychotic episode because I was here in distress. I think the subject line for my post was, "HELP - crisis exploding." I will never forget FD commenting rather coolly that it could be the event that led to full custody. He was right.

That's the same night my son has little to no distress about because his therapist helped validate his ability to protect himself.

I had been telling my son what to do if he needed help (hypothetically  Frustrated/Unfortunate (click to insert in post)), including calling me, going to neighbors, calling 911. Instead, he recognized that the smart thing was to play possum and ride it out. Which worked.

I hope that makes sense. Never in a million years did I think my son would interpret that worse-case scenario like that. He managed to do for himself what I hadn't been able to do, and it was good for him.

Obviously, it's a roll of the dice, and we can't know how our kids will manage dicey situations, but we also can't assume we are necessarily the healthiest protectors either, especially if we're training our kids to simply roll over.
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« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2022, 05:34:34 PM »

Another possibility is that you get 50/50 on paper but your wife cedes time because she doesn't handle stress well and parenting is stressful. Single parenting even more so, especially for a parent struggling to get through the day (altho parenting in the same home with a disordered spouse is arguably the most stressful, at least in my experience).

This is a good observation.  This is also a "I hope I get gifted additional time but not sure if she will allow it" idea.

Nearly all people, especially mothers and including pwBPD, want to look good to others.  That's why our struggles are so intense in legal struggles, the disordered parent's perceptions are skewed to self.  But some parents, even mothers, cannot handle long stretches of parenting.  That sound like your spouse.

Also, be aware that she may expect child support and if she gives up time on paper that may reduce how much child support the calculations would assign her.

The IRS tax forms ask how much parenting time (overnights) the filer has, in months for the year.  IRS requires form 8332 (Release/Revocation of Release of Claim to Exemption for Child by Custodial Parent) for any variance to majority time parent getting child deductions and credits.  Probably also required as a part of the final decree.
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