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« on: April 02, 2023, 02:45:17 PM »

I have been reading these forums for a number of years and want to thank everyone here for sharing their stories and support. It means the world to me because I was able to identify what was happening in my relationship and find some relief that I wasn't going crazy. My partner was never officially diagnosed with BPD but it is the only thing that can explain so much. I once told her I think she has BPD and many months later she informed me that she has ADD with RSD (rejection sensitive dysphoria). This might be true, I don't know and really don't care. They are so similar that I imagine the process to improvement would probably be the same for both problems.

I recently walked away from the 9-year relationship in the middle of an argument. I essentially had a mental breakdown and had to leave the house. I spent 1 week angry and didn't say anything to my partner other than I needed space to think. I know now that made her go insane with her thoughts and I regret not speaking to her sooner. After about 3-4 days I was capable of talking to her and chose to wait. Mainly because I was scared. She said the cops came by the house the day after I left to check on things and I didn't understand why this would happen since the argument was very mild (cops have never been involved in my entire lifetime). She also changed the locks on the house. She owns the house and the 2 kids we have been raising together are hers. I don't have a job. I now have to stay with my parents.

Luckily my parents have been great and have showed the understanding and validation I desperately lacked in my relationship. Talking to them felt like an explosion of colors washing over me. After some time I realized I was depressed and using this website I know now that I was/am severely depressed. I think it is because I tried to avoid feeling any emotions and would bottle everything up to avoid our never ending whirlwind fights that never got resolved.

I am sharing right now partly to get it off my mind to other people who understand as I don't think anyone can truly understand until they are actually in a BPD relationship. I am also looking for a bit of advise. After a week of being apart I wrote to her and asked that we try to work things out, that I know we love each other and I'd rather not throw away 9 years without trying. We agreed and so we went on some dates here and there and it seemed pretty good. There's a lot of details of things that happened and things that were said that makes it so that each person thinks that their actions are justified. There's 2 months of working on things and having fun together but also taking steps in the wrong direction. I take responsibility for my action/inaction and failures. My depression has been somewhat debilitating and hard to make quick/good decisions and hard to want to do anything other than finding a job which will likely help me break out of my depression and get control of my life.

So her daughter was recently committed (several days ago). She ended our relationship and said that she is so mad at me for not contacting her kids while we were living separately. That she is so mad at herself for going out on dates with me and leaving her kids behind when I would just ignore them. Basically a waterfall of anger coming at me. She said she won't be able to forgive me for not speaking to her kids. I tried to explain that I am depressed and it was difficult for me... with no understanding. There's so many mixed signals. I ask about the kids all the time. I was trying to keep them out of the drama until we knew where the relationship was headed. Yet none of this matters and I know from this site that I cannot change her mindset and trying to do so will invalidate her and make things worse.

So, her mindset was that she wants me to fix things with the kids. And I am now working on it. However, she is mad and says she doesn't understand why I am even bothering now, that my family should contact them so that the kids don't think they lost their grandparents, counsins, etc in addition to their dad. However, my mindset up until now has been that I am still their dad and would love to work things out. I just needed some time to heal myself to the point that I can start to heal my relationship with the kids (and my partner). It doesn't make sense because to me the kids never lost me.

Anyways, what I am getting at is this. We are not married, the kids are not mine, the home is not mine. I still consider them my family and want to try to fix things between us. However, she is pretty firm that things are over (yet still sending mixed signals - like starting to cry/get mad when I ask when I can come get the rest of my things or holding my hand or saying I love you).

I don't know how to proceed. It seems like I need to give her some space. That's how I usually handle disagreements with people in my life - a little time and space, say sorry and forgive each other and then you're right back where you left off. However, with her, things are way worse if I leave her alone. She tends to hate me more and lash out with more anger and resentment. I am a very optimistic person and always hopeful that things will turn out good - I worry this is clouding my judgement.

It would be so easy for me to walk away and meet someone new yet I can't bring myself to do this yet. I'd also like to talk to the kids and find out what they want - if they would like me to continue being in their lives or if that would make things worse for them. She said I can have any relationship I want with the kids but I worry she has already poisoned things in that regard. What the hell do I do? I think at this point, I just focus on myself and talk to the kids. Do some things with them if they are open to the idea and do not communicate much with my partner (certainly not ignore her but keep the interactions brief). Maybe she will stop painting me black and be open to a discussion in the near future? Or I should just move on to a new and exciting phase of my life after recovering from the grief? I also worry that if I stay involved in any way (even with just the kids) that I will not recover from my depression and continue to be sucked into the drama vortex.

Thanks so much for reading this massive post.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2023, 10:53:48 AM »

Black Ice, you have a lot to work through and I sense a lot of internal conflict on what your best path forward is. There really just is no easy answer to everything you are struggling with right now, and I am truly sorry that you and your step children are experiencing all of this.

RSD (rejection sensitive dysphoria).

I had never heard of this condition before. Definitely going to do some research on it.

I recently walked away from the 9-year relationship in the middle of an argument. I essentially had a mental breakdown and had to leave the house. I spent 1 week angry and didn't say anything to my partner other than I needed space to think. I know now that made her go insane with her thoughts and I regret not speaking to her sooner. After about 3-4 days I was capable of talking to her and chose to wait. Mainly because I was scared.
I have similar regrets. However, sometimes it takes time to fully come to terms with everything we are experiencing.  This can be especially true if we have a cloud depression. I speak from experience when I say that depression can make it difficult to perform basic daily functions, let alone come to a major life decision like you were facing.

She said the cops came by the house the day after I left to check on things and I didn't understand why this would happen since the argument was very mild (cops have never been involved in my entire lifetime). She also changed the locks on the house. She owns the house and the 2 kids we have been raising together are hers. I don't have a job. I now have to stay with my parents.
I think it is a safe assumption that there is way more to the story hear on her part. She either called the cops on you because you were missing and she was hysterical; or because she started painting you as some sort of safety threat. The fact that the police were involved and she changed the locks, I am inclined to think she is viewing you as a threat for some reason.  This does seem like fairly erratic behavior indicating a major dysregulation. You say the argument was, "very mild." What was the argument about? What clues has she provided that cause her to suddenly make you a safety concern?

Luckily my parents have been great and have showed the understanding and validation I desperately lacked in my relationship. Talking to them felt like an explosion of colors washing over me. After some time I realized I was depressed and using this website I know now that I was/am severely depressed. I think it is because I tried to avoid feeling any emotions and would bottle everything up to avoid our never ending whirlwind fights that never got resolved.
Talking to people about what you are experiencing is so helpful. I understand that you don't have a job. However, is there any way for you start working with a therapist, if you don't have one? Most of what you are going through will be resolved much more quickly and easily if you can discuss it with a trained professional.


My depression has been somewhat debilitating and hard to make quick/good decisions and hard to want to do anything other than finding a job which will likely help me break out of my depression and get control of my life.
Self-Care is going to be some of the most important work you can do right now. You will need to get yourself into a more rational headspace to be able to effectively work and navigate a complicated relationship.


So her daughter was recently committed (several days ago). She ended our relationship and said that she is so mad at me for not contacting her kids while we were living separately. That she is so mad at herself for going out on dates with me and leaving her kids behind when I would just ignore them. Basically a waterfall of anger coming at me. She said she won't be able to forgive me for not speaking to her kids. I tried to explain that I am depressed and it was difficult for me... with no understanding. There's so many mixed signals. I ask about the kids all the time. I was trying to keep them out of the drama until we knew where the relationship was headed.
Since you are locked out of the house, there is really no way for you to know what the dynamic has been at home. Most likely what is going on here, is the BPD standard tactics of blame shifting and projection. I have a feeling your leaving has caused your girl friend with BPD to act very erratically with her own children. She may be raging at them for any perceived slights no matter small. Rather than own up to her own mistakes with the children she is blaming it all on you. That's where the blame shifting comes in. Since you have not seen any of the dynamic, it is difficult or impossible to make any accurate determinations here. 


So, her mindset was that she wants me to fix things with the kids. And I am now working on it. However, she is mad and says she doesn't understand why I am even bothering now, that my family should contact them so that the kids don't think they lost their grandparents, counsins, etc in addition to their dad. However, my mindset up until now has been that I am still their dad and would love to work things out. I just needed some time to heal myself to the point that I can start to heal my relationship with the kids (and my partner). It doesn't make sense because to me the kids never lost me.

Anyways, what I am getting at is this. We are not married, the kids are not mine, the home is not mine. I still consider them my family and want to try to fix things between us. However, she is pretty firm that things are over (yet still sending mixed signals - like starting to cry/get mad when I ask when I can come get the rest of my things or holding my hand or saying I love you).
If possible, I strongly suggest finding a couple's or family therapist to use as a mediator to navigate all of this. This is a really complicated situation. The real losers here will definitely be the children if you are not able to find a path forward that keeps you and your family in the children's lives.

How old are these children? Certainly more than 9 years old.

It sounds like their biological father is completely out of the picture. Is there more to the puzzle there? Have you ever met him in custody handoffs or anything like that? Is he someone you can trust?


She said I can have any relationship I want with the kids but I worry she has already poisoned things in that regard. What the hell do I do?
I think working with a trained professional to bring you all together in a mediated fashion is going to be your best approach to sort this out.


I think at this point, I just focus on myself and talk to the kids. Do some things with them if they are open to the idea and do not communicate much with my partner (certainly not ignore her but keep the interactions brief).
You will need to keep her in the picture since they are not legally your children. I'm by no means a legal expert on this stuff. However, I get the sense that all visitations would need to be agreed to with her. Any sort of communication or visitation should be well documented that she is consenting to it. In fact, be sure to keep track and try to document all of your communication. She has already gotten the police involved once for some reason. Therefore, you will need to tread very carefully.


Maybe she will stop painting me black and be open to a discussion in the near future? Or I should just move on to a new and exciting phase of my life after recovering from the grief? I also worry that if I stay involved in any way (even with just the kids) that I will not recover from my depression and continue to be sucked into the drama vortex.
It sounds like this has really escalated to the current situation for a little over a month. Three months after the initial breakup of my relationship, my therapist said to me, "It is too soon to see where everything is going with you two." That was about two years ago, and things have gotten better for me. So believe me when I tell you there is hope that things will work out and be OK.

If I was in your shoes, I would not be rushing to make any major decisions about your best path forward. If you are conflicted about continuing the relationship, then work in the direction that you want to save it, though. Otherwise, there will be no hope to do so later.

What is most important is for you right now is to focus on self-care. You have to exercise, look for a job, get in therapy if you aren't already in it. Try and stay positive.

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2023, 10:02:52 PM »

wow, thank you so much for your response. It means so much to me that I am actually crying right now. I tried to keep some details out of the original post because there's too much to say.

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You say the argument was, "very mild." What was the argument about? What clues has she provided that cause her to suddenly make you a safety concern?

The details of the argument are pretty hazy but the turning point was when I tried to tell her she was being mean to me and I want her to speak nicer to me. She said that she is not capable of giving me what I want and that I am being too demanding or something - that I am asking too much of her and never doing what she wants in return - that she is always giving me everything she can possibly give me. Then her younger daughter came down to side with her mom. This was a first and it felt like all of a sudden the whole house was ganging up on me. I felt everything in my brain losing control and spinning. I couldn't see straight and knew I had to exit immediately. There was not really any yelling or anything.

The 2 kids are ages 15 and 16. Their dad is not in their lives, I never met him. I have been in their daily lives since ages 5/6. The youngest is seeing a therapist. I think they have her diagnosed with ADHD and bipolar. I think she is very sad I am gone and blames herself. The oldest seems to be pretty mad at me. I sense that there's a lot of blame and anger being cast at me.

As far as the cops coming to the house, my partner says she does not know why that happened. My guess is her mom called them anonymously to say there was a disturbance. Her mom thinks that people will get hurt or killed after a relationship ends. She has some very far out thoughts and fears. So she was probably trying to protect her daughter and grand-daughters. But I do not know! I think her mom has her convinced to be afraid of relationship endings and what people will do.

Cloud depression is a great way to describe how I feel, even right now. It is so hard to function and perform basic tasks. Making decisions causes anxiety and sometimes I find myself on my phone scrolling around and realize I don't know how long I have been doing it or what I'm even looking at.

I don't think a therapist is in the cards for me in the near future. I have started applying to jobs and hope to have something lined up within a couple months (I'm in tech and there's a bit of a downturn right now so it's hard to say). I have made a promise to myself to see a therapist as soon as financially possible.

I agree, she is most likely being very erratic with the kids and projecting/blaming me. Her house is likely a battlefield some days. I enjoy the peace I have with my parents right now. And I need to keep that peace so I can heal myself. I worry that I will not be able to heal with everything that is happening; I sometimes feel like pulling the ripcord and just completely walking away is the only solution (as I think many people would have done by now).

Your suggestion to get her permission to see the kids is very wise. I will keep that in mind since the cops were called. I don't think I trust her or her family right now because of everything that is happening. It feels like the trust cannot be rebuilt for either side.

I'd love to get back into jogging and exercise. It is something I did 6 days a week before meeting my girlfriend. It was a big part of my life and gave me tons of confidence and strength. Sadly I stopped exercising several years into this relationship and I think that might have been the very start of my depression; I just realized this as I was typing now. Thank you - I will think on it.

Thanks for relating your experience. That is something that has helped me a lot - reading other people's experiences on this forum. It gives me hope that things can work out. However, I worry because I am an optimist and hang on every hope - so I have to be careful to not misread things that are actually impossible. I also think I am mildly autistic (asperger's) so it can be hard for me to understand people's true intentions and read their faces and body language.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2023, 01:30:53 PM »

The 2 kids are ages 15 and 16. Their dad is not in their lives, I never met him. I have been in their daily lives since ages 5/6. The youngest is seeing a therapist. I think they have her diagnosed with ADHD and bipolar. I think she is very sad I am gone and blames herself. The oldest seems to be pretty mad at me. I sense that there's a lot of blame and anger being cast at me.
Difficult ages for sure. Teenagers tend to be pretty confident in their own assessment of interpersonal relationships. Most likely, you are being blamed for everything, by all three of them. I would suspect there is a lot of group think occurring.

As far as the cops coming to the house, my partner says she does not know why that happened. My guess is her mom called them anonymously to say there was a disturbance. Her mom thinks that people will get hurt or killed after a relationship ends. She has some very far out thoughts and fears. So she was probably trying to protect her daughter and grand-daughters. But I do not know! I think her mom has her convinced to be afraid of relationship endings and what people will do.
Yeah, there's no way to tell. It could have even been one of the daughters, if their mother started acting really erratically.

Cloud depression is a great way to describe how I feel, even right now. It is so hard to function and perform basic tasks. Making decisions causes anxiety and sometimes I find myself on my phone scrolling around and realize I don't know how long I have been doing it or what I'm even looking at.

I don't think a therapist is in the cards for me in the near future. I have started applying to jobs and hope to have something lined up within a couple months (I'm in tech and there's a bit of a downturn right now so it's hard to say). I have made a promise to myself to see a therapist as soon as financially possible.
Depression can be completely debilitating. Depending on your state, you might be able to find free social workers that can help you. When I was first diagnosed with Major Depression, 20 years ago now, I worked with social workers because I had no insurance. You probably qualify for assistance from the Affordable Care Act. That was the best coverage I ever had in another bout of unemployment about 10 years ago. I meant to write, cloud "of" depression, but either way it is pretty accurate.

I agree, she is most likely being very erratic with the kids and projecting/blaming me. Her house is likely a battlefield some days. I enjoy the peace I have with my parents right now. And I need to keep that peace so I can heal myself. I worry that I will not be able to heal with everything that is happening; I sometimes feel like pulling the ripcord and just completely walking away is the only solution (as I think many people would have done by now).
These are really important thoughts/feelings to keep in mind as you find your path forward.

Your suggestion to get her permission to see the kids is very wise. I will keep that in mind since the cops were called. I don't think I trust her or her family right now because of everything that is happening. It feels like the trust cannot be rebuilt for either side.
If she refuses to give you permission to spend time with the girls, maybe you can mail them a letter to let them know, you would like to see them. Don't add the after thought, ", but your mother won't let me." That will just create more conflict for all involved. I'd be curious to hear what other members of the board have to say on how to handle visitation, if the blood relative won't allow it.

I'd love to get back into jogging and exercise. It is something I did 6 days a week before meeting my girlfriend. It was a big part of my life and gave me tons of confidence and strength. Sadly I stopped exercising several years into this relationship and I think that might have been the very start of my depression; I just realized this as I was typing now. Thank you - I will think on it.
Definitely start exercising regularly, again. Especially if you can't get a therapist. Exercise is extremely good for your brain. We tech workers, are stuck in sedentary lifestyles in front of the screen for a lot of our waking hours. This is not what the human body was meant for and it really creates a lot of mental challenges for us. I struggled with depression for most of my adult life. The game changer for me was starting to do a lot of hiking on a regular basis. If you are familiar with meetup.com, you might want to look for a hiking meetup. It has the advantage of allowing you to exercise and meet people at the same time. Humans are social animals, and we require positive human interaction for overall wellbeing. Hiking meetups, give you the best of both worlds. When I started doing hiking meetups about 12 years ago, it completely turned my life around for the better.

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2023, 03:48:30 PM »

Posting an update.

It's been a little over 3 weeks since she broke up with me. I was originally messaging her almost every day but it seemed to make her angry so I stopped. I also realized I was being irrational and clingy. We had a gap of no talking for probably a week. Then she started messaging me every 2 or 3 days and the conversations seem to be a bit less edgy. I have not been able to speak with the kids in any way and have stopped trying because it also seemed to enrage my partner. I wish I knew what I could do to speak with them somehow... but she is just way too controlling/unstable for me to figure it out right now.

The first week of the breakup I was in denial. The 2nd week I was in very extreme pain and turmoil - feeling like my heart was ripped out of my chest. It felt like I was detoxing from drugs. I never felt anything like this in my life and I have been through a breakup from a 7-year relationship. That breakup was sadness but it was easy compared to this. Now that I am past 3 weeks, things seem to be getting a tiny bit easier, finally. Minimizing contact seems to be the best medicine.

We are still coordinating the removal of my things from her house. This has been pretty difficult for me. When I am at her house to get some things I feel extreme/intense anxiety for hours before, during, and after the trip. It's also hard because she seems to be acting differently - seemingly overly happy with her new found freedom. She seems to be trying to talk about all the things she is doing that we didn't do because I was opposed or I didn't have the time/money to make it happen. But also making comments about how she will never find another person like me again and telling me some sort of putdown like how bad my haircut looks. It's so difficult to even try to comprehend.

She saw a therapist and got diagnosed with ADHD, anxiety, and depression. She made a point to tell me the assessment did not include BPD; the same day that she received her results. I'm still very convinced she has BPD and think that it would be pretty difficult to tell from 1 visit. She is also very high functioning and I'm not sure that a therapist would be able to determine an accurate diagnosis without seeing her daily life. The reason I'm mentioning this is because there's some sort of hope in my mind (however far-fetched and unlikely) that her therapy will lead to understanding her illness and wanting to work to get better with DBT or whatever might help. She says she is going to continue with therapy sessions - so that is good to hear. She also started some ADHD meds and they seem to be making a big difference for her.

I have started daily jogging again. Will add in more exercise in the next couple weeks. It definitely seems to help. I am excited to be in better shape to the point that I can really sprint/push/pound out the strong feelings I have along with some good loud music. That has worked wonders for me in the past. I have also been enjoying long bike rides when it's a beautiful day. This has helped a lot too. Lots of spring flowers blooming these days.

Working on getting a job, getting some health insurance, and then some therapy and meds too.

A part of me really misses and mourns the loss of my life with my family (house, dogs, kids, partner, etc). But a part of me is becoming really angry that my own family shut me out of their lives (literally changed the locks on the doors) at a time when I was having terrible depression and just needed some love/kindness/help/understanding. They are so cold and distant. The only love/kindness I got was from the dogs when I would come to pickup some belongings. 9 years together every single day and then poof, they act like I'm somebody they only knew in passing. I'm starting to see that they may not be the family I want to spend my life with.

I'll give it some more time and I'm sure my feelings will evolve. Maybe some family therapy will be in the future for the 4 of us. It might at least help bring closure and help me understand whether the kids want me in their lives without their mom controlling things.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2023, 09:42:45 PM »

Super excited to post an update to my story!

After months of job hunting and interviews (and being unemployed for many years)... I will be starting a new job this month. The pay and benefits are excellent. It makes me very proud and happy to say this. Going from homeless and heartbroken to confident and empowered has been huge for me.

I have been working on improving my life one step at a time and things are slowly starting to pay off. Focusing on my own life and staying away from the drama of my ex's life has been very important!

I'm still hopeful to reconnect with my step kids and possibly my ex in some form or another. But, wow! It's so wonderful to become independent and self sufficient.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2023, 01:03:07 PM »

Congratulations! That's great news, I'm sure everything else will fall in line.
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