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« on: May 23, 2023, 02:07:28 PM »

First, I had no idea that this website existed, would have been helpful decades ago. My younger sister has been in treatment for mental health disorders since she was 16. She is currently 44. I have been her "person" for the past 22 years. It is exhausting. In the past 5 months I have finally become the target of her anger as she believes I have chosen my relationship with my father over her. My sister is suicidal, from this aspect I feel more trapped than ever in being able to set healthy boundaries with her. My last phone call from her was at 1:30am. After being jolted awake and not speaking with her since mid-March she called crying, apologizing, and saying she preferred the darkness over people and that she just wanted to tell me goodbye and that she was again sorry. This is not the first time I have received these calls and I have had to call the police to intervene several times throughout previous years. I am reaching out because I have finally been pushed to my limits. I cannot have the threat of suicide every time she is upset. She plays so many mental games and sets expectations on you that you will never be able to achieve or better yet have no idea what the expectations are. I am an RN so I am not completely ignorant with mental health disorders butI am out of my league. How do I set a healthy boundary without abandoning her. She does take her meds, but she also drinks. Thank you for any input you may have.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2023, 03:49:19 PM »

First, I had no idea that this website existed, would have been helpful decades ago. My younger sister has been in treatment for mental health disorders since she was 16. She is currently 44. I have been her "person" for the past 22 years. It is exhausting. In the past 5 months I have finally become the target of her anger as she believes I have chosen my relationship with my father over her. My sister is suicidal, from this aspect I feel more trapped than ever in being able to set healthy boundaries with her. My last phone call from her was at 1:30am. After being jolted awake and not speaking with her since mid-March she called crying, apologizing, and saying she preferred the darkness over people and that she just wanted to tell me goodbye and that she was again sorry. This is not the first time I have received these calls and I have had to call the police to intervene several times throughout previous years. I am reaching out because I have finally been pushed to my limits. I cannot have the threat of suicide every time she is upset. She plays so many mental games and sets expectations on you that you will never be able to achieve or better yet have no idea what the expectations are. I am an RN so I am not completely ignorant with mental health disorders butI am out of my league. How do I set a healthy boundary without abandoning her. She does take her meds, but she also drinks. Thank you for any input you may have.

Hello ACS,

Sorry you are going through this with your sister. 

Call your local emergency room/police when she threatens suicide without reasoning with her. Do it quickly. (Used to be 911 and now 988 in California.) You never know if this is the time she will follow through. 

It's overwhelming to be a semi-parent to a close relative with bpd. Boundaries get trampled on all the time. My mom's bpd behavior goes from I have a fun thing to do so go away, to very unhappy to loud rages. It's totally unpredictable.

Can your sister qualify for government help for her bpd for group therapy, pt caregiving, alcohol rehab, in patient mental hospital treatment? Just something to lift this from your shoulders to give you a needed break.

Have you gotten therapy yourself to deal with her. It helps to have a sounding board.  There's also the anonymous 12 step groups like Al Anon or CODA to help you deal with someone's problem drinking or problem behaviors.

You have to take care of yourself or this will upend your life. Building a sound strategy on what to do when your sister goes out of control can help you cope.






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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2023, 07:13:27 PM »

My sister is suicidal, from this aspect I feel more trapped than ever in being able to set healthy boundaries with her

Oof, this one is the hardest. How have things gone in the past when you called 911?

Has your sister accepted she has BPD and if so, has she participated in any kind of treatment? Not many people here have family members who have experienced those two things. My stepdaughter was dx'd bipolar but she clearly has more going on and recently they walked back that diagnosis without offering something different (at least to our knowledge), meanwhile the emotional lability is there and unstable identity, frantic efforts to avoid abandonment, etc.

I cannot have the threat of suicide every time she is upset. She plays so many mental games and sets expectations on you that you will never be able to achieve or better yet have no idea what the expectations are. I am an RN so I am not completely ignorant with mental health disorders but I am out of my league. How do I set a healthy boundary without abandoning her.

In Loving Someone with BPD by Shari Manning there is a chapter on dealing with suicidal ideation. I remember she describes suicidal ideation as a way for pwBPD to get relief from distressing emotions.

SD26is chronically suicidal and we were told she uses it to regulate overwhelming emotions and provide relief. It's not easy to understand but it did help explain how SD26 began to use suicidal ideation to elicit helping behaviors. The key was to understand whether we were reinforcing those helping behaviors (like talking longer after expressing suicidal ideation, or changing behaviors after an incident of SI, being kinder/gentler in response to SI).

I don't know if that helps with your question about establishing healthy boundaries. In our family, my older stepdaughter (29) seems to be best at establishing boundaries. She is also the angriest about being parentified by a BPD mom and is the most draconian in setting boundaries. Her response to her sister is along the lines of "I know you feel bad, you wouldn't text this if you didn't. Have you called grandma/dad/LnL/ aunt/psychiatrist/therapist/hotline. If I don't hear from you in 15 minutes I'll text them so they know what's going on."

H takes a more proactive approach. He texts SD26 at least something everyday, even if it's just an emoji. He's driven to her place on a few occasions when things were particularly rough. He's a 110 percent type dad, going above and beyond, but he hit a limit a few years ago and has said he's done everything he possible can and the rest is up to SD26. We've offered to pay for outpatient day program DBT treatment and she turned into us wanting her to be committed to an insane asylum. He continues to do all the same things he's always done except he doesn't push treatment.

Right now, we treat her chronic suicidality as a maladaptive way she gets relief when she's particularly stressed by something. Since reading Manning's book and talking to two therapists, our current approach is to keep up with the need for excessive caretaking by sending cat and dog videos, emojis, pictures of stuff we come across that SD26 might find interesting. I do this less than H.

When there is an expression of SI, things kind of stay at the same tempo, although H does call and asks pretty direct questions, like whether she has a plan, did something happen that might be causing her to feel particularly bad that she feels like talking about, etc.

H is her favorite person (maybe second to a BF at the moment, but definitely her FP in the bigger scheme of things). H is also in health care like you. He focuses on incremental change, has a good dose of gallows humor, likes to focus on solving problems, so for him, it's definitely a switch in demeanor to kind of get into the swamp with SD26 and validate her dark feelings.

This is a dark thing to say but it's almost like he still has the rope around his ankle but it's loose and he can take it off. For a long time, it was wrapped tight and he was struggling to not go down with her. Sometimes he will talk about taking it off completely but I think that's his own version of getting relief, talking about doing something drastic that isn't realistic given his bond.

SD29 refuses to have that rope on her. She passes it to family members and has told H she'll call 911 because she's not trained to deal with SI.

 
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2023, 05:29:22 AM »

My BPD mother has one of those med alert necklaces and tends to push them for several reasons, not always serious ones. She put my number down as one of the people to call. One night, at 3 am, they called me to say she was going to the ER so I called the ER to see if she was OK. The nurse there told me she was so I went back to sleep.

Later that day, BPD mother called me, angry, that I didn't call her (apparently didn't call her to act sympathetic) and I told her it was 3 am and that I spoke to the nurse who was taking care of her in the ER and then needed to get back to sleep. She was angry that I didn't call her instead.

That day, I called the med alert company and asked them to remove my phone # from their call list. She has others on there who are local. I don't live near her. I hope she stays well. Realistically though, there's nothing I could do for her in the middle of the night if she were to need to call for medical assistance. Her primary care doctor has my number and so do her relatives.

Even though you are a nurse, your sister isn't your patient and you aren't obligated to be on call for her. The only and best thing you could do for her in these situations is to call 911 if you get such a call. I understand the fear- BPD mother has done these things as well. But unless we are in the position to watch someone all the time, we have little control over all their actions. You can't control all your sister does.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2023, 03:46:12 PM »

@livenlearned - Thank you so much for your response. I have called 911, out of state, which is interesting, but they did show up and took her to the hospital. My parents have done the same but she no longer calls them. She will call when self harming as well. It kills me when she calls in crisis, I ask her if she has a plan, and then while in crisis tells me she has to go, or hangs up on me. The last time she was hospitalized (I called) she was livid with me was very angry about her 3 day hold.

She has not accepted her BPD diagnosis and quickly dropped that therapist like a hot potato because the dx scared her. She was dx'ed with Bi-Polar II after a Manic Depressive dx as a teen. She is ok with Bipolar and is on a good cocktail of meds but she will participate with a therapist only if she can manipulate them. It is very short lived. She is also very smart and thinks she is smarter than everyone.

As far as setting boundaries, I told her years ago I would continue to call 911 when she called with suicide ideation and for it worked well although there would be several snide comments about it. She cut herself off from me for about five months but has been calling with no message, sending gifts, calling on my birthday after telling me she does not want to be in a relationship with me because I "chose" my father over her. By not responding to her gift, I believe that is why I got the 1:30am call (3 hour time difference).I will definitely check out Mannings book- Thank you

@Telhill - She actually did complete a stint in rehab and remained sober for about 6 months. It was completely hellish because she chose me as her responsible person. The "mandatory therapy" basically told me I was an enabler. It is hard not to be one when the threat of suicide is constantly on the table. I have been to Alanon meetings and they are helpful but this behavior is cyclical and again, the threat of suicide and the attempts that have already been made keep everything dicey. I feel like if she does one day follow through with it, it will be to punish those who lover her and have tried to help.

@Notwendy - Thank you. I know I can't control her or her actions and I really do believe that I am not responsible if she does follow through with her threats, but good grief - if she does? I can't even let my mind go there.

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