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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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onesmartcookie39

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« on: March 22, 2013, 01:37:11 PM »

Okay. I'm going to be brave on here. As if it wasn't difficult enough talking about my mother, remembering the abuse, now understanding the abuse and trying to stay strong in NC- I'm going to just put it all out there... .  This is scary ... .  

I didn't stumble upon the topic emotional incest till last October when my mother was acting up again as the holidays were approaching. I had started doing more BPD research and it kinda blew my mind. I always wondered why even though my mother never crossed the line physically why her kissing me over and over on the cheek would gross me out. Now I understand. There's so many things she did to me that gave me the heebie jeebies but I never understood why.

Anyhoo- my teenage life I lived in fear, anxiety, had suicidal thoughts. In my 20's I tried really hard to get past it. Not by addressing it  but just telling myself that it was in the past and to move on. That I was strong. That I had made a success of my life and there was no point in dwelling in the past.

In my 30's it became impossible to keep stuffing it inside. And it started coming out. One way it came out was thru an addiction to love and sex.

When I saw the tie between emotional incest and sex addiction- I was completely shocked. I have a very loving husband. I never understood why I was compelled to do this. I just assumed it was because I am weak and a bad person.

Is there any books or websites that anyone knows about that gives more information about this? I also wanted to put it out there in case anyone else suffers through this and feels alone. It's hard to out yourself in a public forum. Sometimes I fear my sex addiction is because I may be becoming BPD like my mother. That scares me so much. I try so hard to not be like her. But having this all come to a head as it has over the past couple months and remembering the abuse- it has left me in such a dark place that I want to use my drug of choice. Sex. I feel like I'm in a deep dark pit and I can't get out. I know that stuffing feelings inside is how you end up this way. How do I express these feelings and get it out so I'm not compulsed to bad habits?
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 02:30:12 PM »

I don't have great answers to your questions, but I do want to say  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post) You ARE very brave. 

Facing the trauma of a childhood like yours and mine is very, very hard sometimes. Sometimes we use any strategy we can to cope with the pain. I definitely get that. In my case I have a couple of compulsions that make me feel better short-term but afterwards I feel embarassed. I used to think I was just desperate for the good feeling... .  then I realized I was also addicted to the shame. I started to really notice an underlying belief that I am a bad person who does not deserve happiness and who will always screw up. Engaging in the compulsion was a way to reinforce that belief. After that, when I started to feel tempted, I stopped and asked myself, "Why do you want to do this? You deserve to feel good and meet your needs, and you can find another way because you do not need the shame anymore." It really did help me to change the behavior. It's also important for me to forgive myself when I mess up. Making mistakes doesn't mean I'm a bad person. And it's ok for me to have needs and feelings.

Then there is also therapy. Smiling (click to insert in post) You have taken a big step sharing here... .  when you feel brave enough to share this with your T, I think that could really help, too.

I am proud of you for being honest. That is a great way to help yourself.

Wishing you peace,

PF
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2013, 02:35:02 PM »

I'm afraid I don't have much to offer in the way of advice or assistance, but I too wanted to write and just let you know that I found your post to be very brave. You're moving in the right direction and I think that's amazing! Your insight and self-awareness will serve you well.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

Have you looked into Sex Addicts Anonymous? www.saa-recovery.org/  Perhaps they have resources that could help you? I'm sure they can help with referrals, treatment options, further literature, etc. Maybe a place to start?
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2013, 05:06:07 PM »

Hey onesmartcookie39. For one thing good for you for being able to write about this. I've had the exact same problem with my mom when it came to any kind of physical contact for years… and the only explanation is the emotional incest thing. I know how hard it must have been to write about it because I've spent the past 3 years (or maybe more actually) wanting to talk about it in therapy, occasionally being able to work on it to some extent and then not being able to so much as allow myself to think about it for months on end… so no it's not easy but you don't have to be afraid of it defining who you are. Having a sex addiction is not the same as having BPD. You have to match 5 out of 9 criteria in order to qualify for BPD and a sex addiction isn't even one of the criteria (although it could potentially fall under "impulsivity in at least two areas…". Now granted, that being said, I myself have BPD so I'm not sure to what extent my own experience is relevant to yours because I'm not sure how much of it was BPD related and how much of it was BPD-mother-related.

Back when I was sexually active (I stopped IRL 3 years ago and all together a year and a half ago) there was a long stretch of time where I thought that I loved sex and I thought I was open to it because I most certainly appeared to be drawn to it and open about it. Then, about 3 years ago, I made the ever so stupid mistake of having sex with my boss because he threatened to fire me if I didn't. It didn't last long and I stopped and quit after realizing what I'd done to myself… but even so the damage had been done and the one good thing that came out of it was: it made me realize something about what I'd been doing to myself all along… After some self confrontation it turned out that all along I had never liked sex. In the same way that I'd forced myself to do it in order to not get fired, I had previously also been forcing myself to do it in order to serve all kinds of psychological needs that had nothing to do with actually wanting actual sex.

There were all kinds of "little" signs that I'd simply ignored… like the nightmares I'd get in the early days right after sex… or like never getting actual physical pleasure out of it, feeling uncomfortable and irritated any time any partner tried to get me to physically enjoy it and not allowing it for the most part. Once when I was in a book store looking into the section that dealt with that kind of issue I was shocked at my own reaction of extreme shame when a couple walked by and saw me there… I literally had no awareness of feeling any kind of shame about it up to that point in time. Like I said, I'd always considered myself an open, "liberated" woman and then one day one partner got me close to feeling something and somehow the words "you dirty w---" came flashing through my mind out of the blue…. So you could say that all along there had been "little" signs and yet somehow I never saw them… After the incident with the ex-boss, I was finally able to look back and be aware that one of the things that had always been there was tension… and fear… and a certain sense of "I have no right". I may have been the one initiating the sex but there was always some part of me, somewhere in the back of my mind, that didn't want it and each and every time I'd tell that part to shut up and deal with it. Nowadays I've come to think of it as a form of self-sexual-abuse.

It's just an example but when I was 12 and started needing a bra for the first time; that was also the first time I ever started feeling a need for sexual boundaries. All of a sudden I didn't want my mom to see me naked anymore. When I told her that, it got her so, so pissed off… I got angry lectures about how I was ruining the "bond" between us by not letting her see me naked and about how she was my mother and had changed so many of my diapers and how could I ever think about her in any kind of sexual context what so ever and if anything I was a pervert for doing so… Or in other words "shame on me for wanting to set sexual boundaries" and, of course, "lack of sexual boundaries is a good thing" and "a way of lovingly bonding with others" and "I have no right to say 'no', not to men who are interested and not even to myself when the sex can serve any kind of miniscule purpose that I consciously want".

Basically what I'm trying to say in all this is that not only is it not wrong for you to start thinking in terms of how to protect your inner self from whatever damage the sex addiction might be causing you – you have an obligation towards yourself to do so. She was never protected from your mother and if anything she was taught that she has no right to protect herself from her… but now it's something you can do for yourself. I strongly suggest you look up information about sexual addiction and also about the effects of covert incest and about mother-daughter sexual abuse and most of all that you talk about it to a therapist who understands about sex addiction and about the effects of bad sexual boundaries with a parent (aka covert incest/sexual abuse). At some point in time it might be something you'll need to also share with your partner… but it might be best to do some processing with a therapist first…

Here's a link btw to a discussion in this here site about the general subject of emotional incest: https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=127914.0 among other things it leads up to a discussion about the sexual aspect of the covert incest… As for everything else (sex addiction, help for sex addiction, sexual abuse, covert incest, mother daughter sexual abuse, overcoming the effects of sexual abuse etc' it's just a matter of typing in the keywords in Google… I'm not sure which site would be better than which… Either way, you are extremely brave for taking this first step and please don't let the fear, shame, guilt or disgust (they're all understandable and you are not alone) get in your way of continuing what you've started now.

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2013, 12:43:16 PM »

Hi Cookie, If you look up more stuff you will find that sex addiction is an intimacy disorder. Its not so much about sex, but rather a coping mechanism for an attachment issues/problems. You may have some attachment/intimacy issues due to the effects of being parented by a mother with BPD. The main thing here is if you work with a therapist on the underlying issues, then in tune the "sex addiction" part will also go away and/or be much easier to overcome. All attachment/intimacy issues do not lead to personality disorders. But, sex/love addiction is based on an intimacy/attachment disorder.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2013, 02:42:37 PM »

onesmartcookie39, First, I'm sorry for what you've been through and your current struggles. Thanks for being vulnerable and bringing this up here. It's an interesting connection and a good discussion. I can understand the emotional incest. Personally, I have struggled with addictive behaviors that fall more into the OCD/Self harm category, such as eating disorders. I think a lot of it is anxiety driven as well as general disgust with myself caused by how my mother's actions made/make me feel.

I realized I was also addicted to the shame. I started to really notice an underlying belief that I am a bad person who does not deserve happiness and who will always screw up. Engaging in the compulsion was a way to reinforce that belief. After that, when I started to feel tempted, I stopped and asked myself, "Why do you want to do this? You deserve to feel good and meet your needs, and you can find another way because you do not need the shame anymore." It really did help me to change the behavior. It's also important for me to forgive myself when I mess up. Making mistakes doesn't mean I'm a bad person. And it's ok for me to have needs and feelings.

P.F. Change - thanks for this! I had never thought that I might be addicted to the shame for my self-harming actions. I do tend to have a deeply seated belief that I'm bad and don't deserve to be happy. And I've noticed tend to self-sabotage... . so this is really enlightening. I love your suggestions for countering this kind of thinking.
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