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Before you can make things better, you have to stop making them worse... Have you considered that being critical, judgmental, or invalidating toward the other parent, no matter what she or he just did will only make matters worse? Someone has to be do something. This means finding the motivation to stop making things worse, learning how to interrupt your own negative responses, body language, facial expressions, voice tone, and learning how to inhibit your urges to do things that you later realize are contributing to the tensions.
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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2013, 09:54:53 PM »

CBT sounds interesting. I would be willing to go forward with that. I will ask about it as soon as I can.
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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2013, 10:02:07 PM »

I have the ability to tolerate most unpleasant conditions that others can't or won't.

There is a theory that people's strengths are also their weaknesses.  The ability to tolerate unpleasant conditions can get you through some tough times, which is a strength, however, it can also be a weakness, as it can also open yourself up to allowing abuse.

This is really hard, Perfidy.  Many of us have those traits, and it can stem from childhood.

You have had some really good realizations here.  It would be great to discuss what we are talking about today with a good counselor that you trust.  We'd love to hear how that goes.  You sound motivated, and look to be really trying.  Hang in there.  We are here with you.  

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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2013, 10:19:55 PM »

I just got off the phone with my counselor. She is a certified clinician. She is sending me a CBT workbook. She said it works best in a group setting but not mandatory. She also directed me to some websites that offer help with CBT. It's cool because I can call her anytime. She said at least I'm starting to look for solutions now. She was excited and said  that I am starting to sound better.
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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2013, 10:22:44 PM »

Perfidy, when I began taking inventory - it was a mind field. I had little knowledge on what to work on first. Self worth seemed the perfect place to start.

Strength is perfected in times of weakness – and sometimes we find strength where we once thought none existed. Its time to rebuild and the best knowledge of ourselves comes from realizing what we have endured from loved ones.

Strength and self knowledge builds happiness - because we can find comfort in knowing our own values and how to use boundaries to protect them.

Through your ordeals Perfidy you have gained strength without knowing it. Because of our past and own dysfunctional coping we choose not to use those strengths because we have been taught not to trust them. Start to have a think about how we attract people in our lives and who we choose to love – for me – I chose men who were very weak – emotionally and spiritually. They were very reminiscent of my father (likely BPD, alcoholic). I thought it gave me strength however I was very misguided - I was reliving a self fulfilling prophecy which only reinforced my perceived weaknesses and did little to build my strength.

Since my break up I have met and dated some men. The one I felt most vulnerable with (hence really liked) was a great guy who was very clear about taking things slow (great boundaries), he didn’t bring up past relationships, he didn’t lament in the past, he was confident yet not at all arrogant/egotistical, I felt protected and nurtured, I felt I could be open with my own vulnerabilities and he would simply listen and not judge, he had no trouble talking about his failings as a strength, he never once tried to save me/rescue me/fix me, he noticed the small things, there was no high drama or passive aggressive.

Abuse is normal from people that love me. I really hate it. I wish it were different.

I learnt to trust love again because in my healing I learnt to trust myself. Many men in my life have been abusers including family members – I have gained so much strength in digging deep and finding what I don’t want in a man – those abusers would be it.

A mans strength for me is not governed by his ability to save or rescue me, and as cliché as it sounds it’s his ability to walk beside me. It’s his ability to allow vulnerabilities, actively work towards the relationship as well as himself.

Continue to work on you Perfidy – do that and you will not be attracted to dysfunction – you will be highly allergic. Strong boundaries and solid limits in man are highly attractive – knowing what a man wants is paramount for me.  

Try to work towards not normalizing abuse – had we have worked towards these strengths listed above we would never have entered this relationship to begin with. We would have simply said with strength and conviction “No Thanks. It was nice to meet you”. Period.

Find your strengths and build on them - CBT will help with this - CBT helps us untwist our thinking.
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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2013, 10:25:11 PM »

I just got off the phone with my counselor. She is a certified clinician. She is sending me a CBT workbook. She said it works best in a group setting but not mandatory. She also directed me to some websites that offer help with CBT. It's cool because I can call her anytime. She said at least I'm starting to look for solutions now. She was excited and said  that I am starting to sound better.

Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)  Excellent!

As Clearmind says: "Through your ordeals Perfidy you have gained strength without knowing it."

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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2013, 10:54:17 PM »

Clearmind the guy that took it slow and had great boundaries how did that work out? Are you still with him or did something cause that to fail too? I don't mean to be overly personal but I just want to know if being healthy about relationships is enough to hold them together. Does it take more?
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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2013, 11:27:43 PM »

Perfidy, it took me quite a while to trust and also get use to a man with boundaries. When I got over my own ego all is working out just fine. Its stable, there is trust, we talk openly - its really wonderful. I admire and respect him enormously for having the strength to set boundaries and limits.

It's then up to me to respect them. At first we all find respecting boundaries hard because we see it as shaming - another persons boundaries have nothing to do with us - what it does show is how much he respects himself - for that I love him. It shows strength of character - something I have never experienced from another man.

I can now safely say that in order for a relationship to be healthy both partners need to actively work on themselves in order for the relationship to benefit. I took from my ex just as much as he took from me - it was a dysfunctional mix of battles of wills, poor coping skills and both vieing for control (the upper hand).

So is being healthy about relationships enough to hold them together? It depends - I believe it is as long as each person in the partnership is willing, able and continues to work on themselves. Does it take more? I don't think so - working on ourselves is hard work, finding strength is hard work and continuing to grow is hard work. If I continue to do that I am also buidling a very strong bond with my partner - based on admiration and respect and trust. And its because I worked on myself and built strength that he sees those same qualities in me.

What we do need to do is choose wisely! Never date someone for their potential or what you want to see but rather what they show you. Eyes and ears must be open - there is more to a good bond than instant and sexual attraction - usually when we choose partners based on that critieria its because we don't feel that in ourselves.

Unhealthy attracts unhealthy - unhealthy relationships are very instable and built on very shakey foundations. Who wants that? I sure don't.
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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2013, 11:33:29 PM »

I do feel a certain amount of stigma because of how dysfunctional my childhood was.

I know it can feel hard carrying that kind of shame... . many of us here have had pretty screwed up childhoods, so we understand.

A good T can help you navigate those emotions of shame and help you as you develop a healthier sense of self worth.

You are worth having good things happen Perfidy - putting your own emotional health first is the key to finding a lasting, healthy relationship. 

Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2013, 12:45:24 AM »

Wow... I feel my mind beginning to unlock. It's like I was frozen into a state of panic and giving minimized thought to everything. Very debilitating. I have no idea how I have been functioning. So strange all of this. Seriously... I am so disoriented from this. I used to be so strong... Not soft at all. What hit me? Was it all from the relationship? I know for sure that triggered my depression but wow... She really wasn't all that!

Clearmind does a pwBPD have the same destructive qualities to people that have strong boundaries? I want to know because I really did have good boundaries when I met her. I was able to walk away when I knew I had to. I took it slow with them and respected myself. It was so different with her. Could it be possible that something supernatural was involved? I don't even believe in supernatural but this was entirely out of character for me. It was the second longest relationship in my life. The longest for her. Soo weird. She had very little respect for me ever. Like I was thriving on disrespect. That really is not me. Anybody else would have been dumped so fast they wouldn't know what happened. I am not afraid to cut them loose. But this one was the most screwed up one of all and I PRIZED her... Seriously? A meth head with a destroyed face and rotten teeth? I don't know how I'm ever going to do a deep enough personal inventory to own that one.
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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2013, 02:41:14 AM »

Could it be possible that something supernatural was involved? I don't even believe in supernatural but this was entirely out of character for me.

Could be the neuroscience of sex.  Have you ever read The Chemistry Between Us: Love, Sex, and the Science of Attraction?  When you have ongoing sex with someone, there are instinctual bonds that form.  www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=mind-reviews-the-chemistry-between-us

A few resources that may help... .

This is a quick read on values and boundaries - pay close attention to the values part.

https://bpdfamily.com/content/values-and-boundaries

CBT is forward looking - not about interrogating the past. The best book on CBT is by David Burns.  There are clinical studies that show healing started from just reading the book - seriously.

https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=79768.0

We also have MoodGym - very cool.

https://bpdfamily.com/tools/articles11.htm

Have you taken this test?  It a great tool - we have members measuring themselves periodically to track prgress:

https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=79772.0
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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2013, 09:07:44 PM »

Skip thank you for pointing out these resources for me. I read on CBT today. Positive thinking for sure and making the good better. Improvement. Staying in the now while looking for ways to improve in the future. Changing the way I am thinking. I am looking forward to feeling better. These last few days have been a turning point for me. I feel like I'm finally getting unstuck. Thank you again.
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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2013, 03:27:59 AM »

I do agree with Skip - sex with my ex was incessant from the first date - it completely skewed reality. Without the dazzle of magical thinking and rampant sex, we were completely incompatible - for a time I got what I so desperately needed - validation via being idealized. There was very little talk about how we related as a couple.

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Boundaries protect our “territory”, our self within (our personal values).

E.g.  A personal value may be trustworthiness. To build trust takes time. To jump into bed with someone on the first date is probably not protecting your personal values and is potentially busting your own boundary.

So would a person who is protecting their personal value of trustworthiness have sex with a date on a first date without knowing that person OR would they resist and take some time to get to know them first?

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Its good you walked away when you knew you needed to – however – we did involved in the first instance. It’s likely you relished being idealized just as much as your ex did.  Its no longer about her Perfidy – or what she looked like or didn’t look like – its about your choices and what you got from this relationship – sex, validation…the lot! Dig deep.

We all learn our relationship skills from our care givers.

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