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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: August 07, 2014, 05:49:07 PM »

Kiddos have been gone since Tuesday (staying with my family back home, summer tradition with all the grandkids) and won't be back until tomorrow.

Ex had a meltdown on Tuesday because I wouldn't spend my childless time with him.  I stayed firm (made another thread about the encounter a few days ago) and am proud of myself. 

He didn't contact me Tuesday night, or yesterday.  Yay, right?

Then today happens.

He called me around 10am and I didn't answer and he didn't leave a message.  He called again around 2pm, again I didn't answer and he didn't leave a message.  Then again at 5pm.  Then he texted me, saying I was killing his soul with my silence.  He loved me with all his heart and I was a cold hearted b___ that likes torturing him.  That I "got off" on his pain and I must have a boyfriend for me to ignore him like this.

I texted him one text "I told you I wanted this week without contact since the kids are gone.  Please respect my boundary and do not contact me"  More texts from him.  He called and left a message of him sobbing and asking why I was so mean to him.  It's been almost an hour and no word.  Hopefully he will leave me alone.

He cheated on me, twice.  I forgave the first one.  When I discovered the second one, I packed up the kids and left.  He is desperate to win me back.  I wish he painted me black at this point and moved on, at least he'd stop harassing me to love him again.

Rationally, I told him my boundary (no contact this week, we are on LC due to having kids together) and he pissed all over it.  I feel mean that he's in pain, but I also know that he did this kind of crap when we were married, so how different is it really? 

The only difference now is that it isn't happening under my roof.  My house is peaceful, calm.  And silent tonight without the kids.

I am watching Weeds on Netflix with my dog.  I'm such a party animal, Laugh out loud (click to insert in post).

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2014, 06:40:25 AM »

Good for you for sticking to your guns.

I've had some recent incidents with my ex and boundaries, too.  Thankfully (so far) they haven't been mega-drama.  The main one is that I don't want my ex in my house, especially when I am not there.  She wants to visit while I'm on vacation because my house-sitter happens to be the mother of our granddaughter.  So, when she finds out (as if I haven't talked to her about it before!) that I don't want her at my house, she sends me texts asking me why I think she's such a horrible person, what she's done, and what exactly I think she will "do", since I obviously don't trust her.  In other words, she's a victim.  

I wanted to say... ."What have you done?  Where shall I begin?" Smiling (click to insert in post)  But I bit my tongue and simply reiterated what I want:  "I've talked to you before about this.  I just don't want you in my house when I'm not there."  I didn't justify, argue, defend, or explain myself.  I didn't get drawn into an argument.  Will there be some kind of dramatic repercussions?  Probably, but I'm going to enjoy today for what it is and not worry about tomorrow. Smiling (click to insert in post)

My ex cheated on me numerous times and already has another guy (had him since like I week after I got her out of my house, probably sooner).  At first, she would cry and call me crying about how she will love me forever, etc. etc.  Once she realized I wasn't budging, she had a few fits in the middle of the night where she would throw and smash things.  Thankfully, I lived in a separate room, but you bet I kept my door shut!  So, now she just wants us to be "buddies" and thinks I'm an awful (or stupid) person or wants to blame me for things when she feels like a victim.  At least she's not trying to get me back, but it sucks having to deal with her and keep boundaries up so firmly.  So, I feel your pain.

The part you wrote about him saying that you "get off" on his pain is ridiculous.  Talk about trying to manipulate you with guilt!  I don't know him at all, but the first thing I thought of was projection.  My ex *does* get off on the pain of others.  She revealed some things to me a few times that showed me quite clearly that she a) has "gotten off" on watching me suffer, intentionally doing things so that she can watch me writhe, and b) that she "gets off" on seeing men want her and then rejecting them.  The thing is... .I already knew this about her.  I sensed it.  I could see it.  But having her admit it during one of her lucid moments was quite confirming.

And I understand completely about "not happening under my roof."  That is exactly how I feel and that is probably 90% of the reason I don't want my ex in my house.  It took a lot to get her out and to re-establish a sense that I have some control over my own life and my own space.  I'm not giving that up.  My daughter tells me how "calm" it is as my house.  I intend to keep it that way.  There are few things I have control over, but that is one of them, and I'll take it.

It's like you are dealing with a child who really will not face the fact that they are monsters to those they claim to love.  So, they don't understand.  They have zero insight into why we no longer want them around.  They really want to believe they are good people.  I know my ex is desperate to believe it.  And then I remember the things she's done and the damage done to my kids... .Boundaries are threatening and always will be.  To them, a boundary implies that you don't like them, reject them, think they are terrible, etc.  And I wanna say, "Yeah, I kinda do think that... ."   Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2014, 07:55:50 AM »

Mine left because my "boundaries were suffocating". I told him I have taken a poll.  Not ONE woman would have put up with your behavior.  And every man I asked said they would have been hung by their ba##s... .No response. I tried reasoning like you normally do, but it was impossible.  You cannot win.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2014, 08:25:26 AM »

didn't you know that boundaries are "mean"?   Smiling (click to insert in post)

And yup, cannot win.

I realize I'm dating myself, but does anyone remember that early 80's movie with Matthew Broderick in it, named "War Games?"  "The only way to win the game is to not play."
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2014, 08:33:13 AM »

I'd be tempted to tell him i was busy having a sexathon with a new man.  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2014, 10:34:20 AM »

Hi rts, In my experience, those w/BPD don't respect boundaries, perhaps because their emotions run so rampant that it's virtually impossible for the pwBPD to have his/her behavior constrained by healthy boundaries.  So you have to be firm and enforce the boundary, again and again.  They will keep testing you, trying to break it down.  It's an ongoing process, which can get pretty exhausting for the Non (read: me).  Lucky Jim
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2014, 11:14:03 AM »

Like a lot of you, I don't allow my ex at my new place.  Too hard to get him to leave when he throws a fit.  Tried that the first week we moved here, took me weeks to feel a sense of peace in my new apartment.  He hates the fact that he's not allowed here (apartment building with controlled entry).  Throws in my face he allows me in his home (dropping off and picking up the kids).  So I offered to drop them off outside and watch them walk into his house so I will respect his boundary.  Then I got called rude.  Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)  you just can't win!

It's our sons birthday on Monday, which I'm realizing may be triggering my ex.  My ex asked if our son could stay the night on Sunday and spend the day Monday with him.  I asked my son and he's happy to spend one on one time with his dad.  No drama when I'm removed from the situation.

I am throwing our son a pool party on Sunday here at the building, secretly invited some of his school friends (he's turning 11).  I had a moment where I was going to invite ex, but decided against it.  At our kids' parties, ex rarely shows his face (chaos of too many kids makes him uncomfortable) so I think it's a good compromise that I have the party then drop our son off with him.  I'm sure my ex will only see that I'm "once again keeping him from family stuff" but I can't control that.  All I want for our son is a drama free birthday into tweendom.
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