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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: May 07, 2017, 05:30:30 PM »

Just trying to learn about my ex's BPD. The counselor that I have been seeing has told me that I have been dealing with a person with BPD for the last 17 years. I was stunned when he told me the diagnosis. I had no idea that she had a metal disorder. I did a lot of research and reading.  I tried to get as much information as I could to help me understand her behaviors and try to get some type of closure and to ask the question why?   hard part is we have a 15 year old son who is an awesome kid. Even he has been on the side of some of her outburst when he is at her house.  She has threatened being suicidal. It kills me to see the anger that he is internalizing. I've tried to ask he would like to talk to a coucelor but he refuses.  She constantly tries to manipulate him and spread false smear campaigns at me. And even through all this abusive behavior I find myself still drawn to her. I've been in no contact for about a month. She has repeatedly tried to contact me through text with scathing name calling and outlandish remarks. Just lately she has tried to confront me and is trying to be very nice.  I refuse to talk to her unless it involves my son. The last week she has stopped contacting me as she has found a new man that she is driving along ways when she doesn't have our son. I pass her on my way to work on those mornings.  I will admit it is hard for me to swallow about how fast she was to get with another man so soon after our 17 year relationship. I'm sure there was cheating going on as she would disappear for a few days at a time towards the end.  As I educated myself on this disorder I learned that it is her with the issues and not me.  But honestly stating, she has left me in a hard emotional spot.  I'm sure the are others here that understand what I'm saying. Guess I would like to hear and read about is how some of you have coped and what you did to help you move on with your life.  I would greatly appreciate it. This has been one of the biggest struggles of my life.  Trying to get my self worth, self esteem, and self love back.  Thanks for listening. 
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2017, 07:19:38 AM »

Hi Walking on eggsh,



I'm sorry that your relationship of 17 years is ending. That is very painful. You are definitely not alone, and you've come to the right place for support. Members here have been in similar situations and understand how it feels. 
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This has been one of the biggest struggles of my life.  Trying to get my self worth, self esteem, and self love back.

I'm right there with you, Walking. With time, effort, and self-compassion, you will get your self-worth and self-love back. But first the grieving for this big loss. We're here for you.

How is your son dealing with the separation?

Keep posting. It really helps.

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2017, 12:32:53 PM »

hey Walking on eggs, Sorry to hear what you are going through.  17 years is a long time.  I should know, having been previously married to a pwBPD for 16 years.  We're here to help.  I would like to echo heartandwhole by saying that you will get your self-esteem back as you regain your lost self.  The place to start, I suggest, is with yourself.  Suggest you shift the focus back to you.  What are your needs?  What are your gut feelings?  What would you like to see happen?  Let us know if you have questions.

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2017, 05:34:53 PM »

Hi Walking on eggs,

Welcome

I'd like to join the others and welcome you to the site. I'm sorry to hear that. Does your S15 have a teacher that he trusts at school, my D11 didn't want to talk to anyone. I talked to the social worker at her school, the social worker then talked to some of the teachers and none of them said that there is anything that they're worried about. There is one teacher in particular that she's close to, he has his masters in psychology and he offered to talk to her, have you talked to the school?

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I refuse to talk to her unless it involves my son. The last week she has stopped contacting me as she has found a new man that she is driving along ways when she doesn't have our son.

I take it that you're not living together, what did you arrange for visitation with S15? Do you have a custody agreement? He might be old enough to be able to live with you, but I'm not sure about your state's laws, there's a little search engine on the legal board on the right hand side, it's checks state divorce and custody database https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?board=10.0

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2017, 06:35:21 PM »

Hi, wanted to welcome you to the forums.

I was married to ex for 17 years when I asked him to leave. I know the pain of ending a long term marriage with kids involved (4).

There are days when coping is very difficult. He has been out for over a year now and my life is so vastly different than it was when we were still living in the same house. I have coped by trying to do more things for myself. I was finally able to take the kids on a road trip that we had been wanting to do for years. I have lost weight and improved my diet. I have spent time doing little improvement projects around the house. It is a lot of little stuff that adds up and has helped me get back in touch with who I am and what I want.

As for the kids, I agree with the idea of talking to somebody at school. I talked to the kids about seeing a counselor and they aren't interested. So, I try to encourage them to talk to other adults in their life and I try to talk to my counselor about ways that I can stay present with them and be a strong source of support for them.
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 04:28:23 PM »

Hi Walking,

Sorry to hear about your situation but I'm happy to see that you found the "group". I like the others would like to welcome you ... .let you know you're not alone in your situation as others have pointed out.

First of all I really want to commend you on seeing a counselor/therapist. This is really the first step on your journey recovering from your r/s with a pw/BPD.  It's a journey you can walk as we've have all walked our own ... .it's a journey full of pot holes, wild turns, U-turns and hills. Along your journey you will stumble & fall ... .but know you're not alone. If you look up you'll see others from the group with a hand out to help you up. We'll straighten you up, dust you off & pat you on the butt & tell you keep walking. It's then up to you to take a different path on your journey to see where that will lead, stay on the path you're currently on & see how that works out or you can sit down right were you're at and do nothing. The choice is and always has been yours to make.

As someone else pointed out this is a time for you to heal, learn, move forward in your life. Make sure that your getting enough sleep. Make sure that you're eating right and that you're reducing your stress by getting out and taking at least a mile walk after work. Even a slow walk will take you about 15-20 minutes and it helps more than you realize. Take notice of the small things in life ... .drinking a cup of coffee, tea, a Pepsi or your favorite beverage and watch the sun come up in the morning ... .it does wonders for you & helps you realize that it's the small things in life.

Some book suggestions to run by your therapist to educate yourself on ... ."The Human Magnet Syndrome", "Stop Walking on Eggshells", "I Hate you ... .Don't leave me".  Your therapist might even have a couple of those too for you to borrow.

Don't isolate yourself ... .get out on the weekend with your friends for a burger & a beer ... .the next morning go for a hike and walk it off with them or a bike ride.  Take your son to different events, drag races, hiking, biking, NASCAR, fishing, a rock concert, day road trip somewhere ... .it'll help him reduce his stress to by getting him out of the house and chilling ... .maybe let him bring up any subject about mom, etc first ... .but I would run that one by your therapist first.

I commend you on No Contact (NC) for your first month ... .but this is part of the journey ... .she will continue to reach out to you ... .via a text, phone calls, etc ... .any other "person" in her life is temporary ... .they always seem to be. Be sure to take care of yourself & your needs during these times she try's to manipulate you into contacting her.

You said, "Guess I would like to hear and read about is how some of you have coped and what you did to help you move on with your life.  I would greatly appreciate it. This has been one of the biggest struggles of my life.  Trying to get my self worth, self esteem, and self love back." 

Well these are just some of the things that helped me on my journey ... .others have other means of moving forward, coping, self worth & self esteem back.  My therapist really helped me get to the root of the problem and I truly believe this is the key to moving on. You have to be willing to look deep inside yourself, self reflection, a deep dive ... .look back at your history growing up to see where some of your behavior came from. Most people who fall in love with a pw/PBD are called "NON's" aka codependent, care giver, etc. wanting to take care of others who can't take care of themselves. We are fixers, we fix things. A lot of NONs are first responders, military, doctors, nurses, etc.  We like to help people with problems which a pw/BPD WILL ALWAY HAVE. So the book "The Human Magnet Syndrome" explains this r/s between NONs & pwPBD.  Most of us are perfectionist, we grew learning this behavior for one reason or another. For me I had an absent alcoholic father & my step mother was the one with BPD ... .so I've come to learn.  Looking back and learning about ones childhood can be painful but it's necessary in order not to repeat history.

You said, "But honestly stating, she has left me in a hard emotional spot."  This is VERY common so don't feel alone in your grief.  You can't fix BPD ... .and honestly Ph.d's, therapist, modern science, modern medicine & modern pharma can't fix BPD. The best anyone can hope for is a "Management" of the behavior after decades of constant therapy AND only if the pwPBD is willing to put in the time & effort.

Since I'm retired military and I have this attitude of "NOT FAILING" at anything I thought I could fix her. In my extensive research from respected institutions like John Hopkins, Harvard, etc. there is common agreement that the brain in pwBPD is physically broken. The best way I heard it described in one study is that the "neuro-highways" in the brain are like the intercity highway with offramp to other streets ... .however in a pw/BPD the off ramps are finished, they don't connect to anything.

There are studies to show that the in part, "Compared with HC, BPD subjects had significant bilateral reductions in gray matter concentrations in ventral cingulate gyrus and several regions of the medial temporal lobe, including the hippocampus, amygdala, parahippocampal gyrus, and uncus. BPD women (and abused BPD women), but not BPD men, had significant reductions in medial temporal lobe, including the amygdala. BPD men, but not BPD women, showed diminished gray matter concentrations in the anterior cingulate gyrus compared with findings HC." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3286221/

This along with other respected medical studies, a good therapist helped me truly understand the seriousness of BPD & that current modern medicine can't fix it so what made me think I could. I had to learn to let go of her, my step mother, step sister & 1/2 brother. I learned that BPD can be pass down from one generation to the next. I'm convinced that my step mothers now deceased brother was BPD as well. He was released from the Air Force after 16 years for a personality disorder that he refused to expand on with me. He was married no less than 5 times, had severe behavioral issues that are consistent with BPD. I now see them in my 1/2 brother, step sister as well.

I had to remove myself from their lives too if I was to survive & continue my healing. I've moved 1/2 way across the country to do it. I have been NC/LC with them for awhile now. I am happier than I've been in some time. For me and you'll hear it from time to time in the forums that dealing with a pw/BPD behavior is like dealing with the Wizard of Oz flying monkey's. I know that some have switched their phone ring tone for their respective pwBPD to Ozzy Osborn "Crazy Train" " the theme of flying monkey's".  It can be funny ... .which reminds me ... .GET YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR BACK~!  Laugh !

And another thing that helps is coming back here when you have moments of weakness or you stumble on your journey ... .someone from the group will always be here to help you. We WON'T judge you because we've been where you are. Ask questions ... .read ... .educate yourself ... .YOU are a good person ... .learn to take care of yourself ... .be happy with your choices ... .and LIVE LIFE FOR YOU~! 

J
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