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« on: September 15, 2013, 08:39:35 AM »

This morning my stbx engaged me in conversation and against my better judgement, I started talking to him.  Of course things got out of hand and I just couldn't take his BS any more and I let him have it.  I told him he was a mean, nasty, rotten person and he was a bully not only to me but to his children as well.  I told him that his x-fiancé (the one before me and the lucky one) and I were unable to have relationships with him and pretty soon his new GF will be the one to be bullied, verbally abused and ignored.  I also told him that he's just a preditor looking for prey and he was not even able to have healthy relationships with his family. I kept telling him over and over what a mean, rotten, nasty person he was.

What do you think this will do to him, if anything and what do you think might happen to me?
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2013, 08:48:39 AM »

Moving,

I am sorry you are going through that.

I can imagine how many pent up feelings must have built up for you to say that.

Totally understandable.

What will it do to him?

Nothing.

It won't change his behavior.

He has a disorder.

The words will sting him sooner or later... .

Won't make any difference.

What will happen to you?

He will use it against you in x period of time.

And he will not make the connection of why you said that to him.

He will most likely say that you hurt him by saying such things.

No self reflection.

When my exUBPDgf left me in round 1... .

I had called her a "monster" for the way she raged at me.

I had just started learning about BPD... .

When she came back to me 3 months later... .

She remarked

"It hurt me that you called me a monster."... .

Not "I can understand why you would say that to me for the way I treated you."

I remember when she said that to me... .

I remained quiet.

I already knew she was sick.

The simple fact of that connection not being made... .

Saddened me.

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2013, 08:54:09 AM »

In the context of my ex uBPDw, if I said something like that, she would show nothing. She would project, blame, rage  or simply give me the silent treatement. It's never their fault. Any negative feelings they have to get rid of it, so one way or another, she wouldn"t accept it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2013, 09:44:40 AM »

Thank you both for your responses. 

I think I already knew the answer but seeing it in black and white always helps me.

Ironman-  I did and still do have so many pent up feelings.  He too is a monster (that is how I describe him to everybody) and has done the most horrible things to me (not only was he cheating on me but he had another woman on the side who he was swinging with.  It's this betrayal that I just can't get past ... .For now anyway. 

At least telling him off made me feel a little better.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2013, 09:48:22 AM »

Now that you've told him off, can you resist engaging with him again?

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2013, 10:01:21 AM »

Wow your post sounds just like my ex fiancée... .its remarkable that they are all alike... .

Hang in there... .we are all works in progress... .
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2013, 10:26:37 AM »

Turtle-  I don't know if I can resist the urge again.  We are still living together and even though he's never been a willing father he now comes and goes to his GFs house as he pleases without worrying about his kids.  However, when he is home he trys to tell me all the wrong things I'm doing with the kids.  It drives me crazy! 
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2013, 10:30:00 AM »

movingonforlife --

I just read your early posts and see why you are still living with him.

When can you get him out of your home?

Why can't he go live with his gf?

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2013, 10:55:04 AM »

movingonforlife --

I just read your early posts and see why you are still living with him.

When can you get him out of your home?

Why can't he go live with his gf?

turtle

Unfortunately it is not my house.  It was his house before I met him.  He refused to put my name on the title and even made me sign a pre nup. I was instructed by my L to stay in the house because we are trying to get me to live in the house for a few years while my kids finish elementary school.

He can't go live with his GF because unlike my stbx, she cares about her child and doesn't want him sleeping over when her daughter is with her.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2013, 11:02:33 AM »

Unfortunately it is not my house.  It was his house before I met him.  He refused to put my name on the title and even made me sign a pre nup. I was instructed by my L to stay in the house because we are trying to get me to live in the house for a few years while my kids finish elementary school.

He can't go live with his GF because unlike my stbx, she cares about her child and doesn't want him sleeping over when her daughter is with her.

What a horrible situation.  I am so sorry.  How are the divorce proceedings going?  Is there a time frame that you can use to look forward?

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2013, 11:27:55 AM »

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This morning my stbx engaged me in conversation and against my better judgement, I started talking to him.

As we navigate through recovery in a healthier manner, we need to focus more on our feelings, responses, and actions. All on here, have endured childhood trauma, that landed us with others, with strong PD traits. You knew where this was going, yet you still engaged, hmmm. What does this say about you?

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Of course things got out of hand and I just couldn't take his BS any more and I let him have it.  I told him he was a mean, nasty, rotten person and he was a bully not only to me but to his children as well.

Anger is not a stand alone emotion, and your stbx is not the origin of your pain. Relating this to a past r/s, or childhood experiences, anything other than the ex, would go further in your recovery, and bring you closer to the origin. We are a society that fixes symptoms, not origins of the issues. This may give you momentary gratification of sorts, but it will be short lived, and most likely make the situation worse.

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I told him that his x-fiancé (the one before me and the lucky one) and I were unable to have relationships with him and pretty soon his new GF will be the one to be bullied, verbally abused and ignored.

I was guilty of this also. Its hard not to use this new found knowledge as a weapon. Keep in mind that you are dealing with a childs mentality and these conversations are only prohibiting your recovery. Its very common for us to process these relationships in a reverse order, for our healing in a healthy way. I processed the ex, then the r/s... .low and behold, I finally got to myself. Most seem to dive into another r/s, before they get this far, and more times than not, its more of the same. Truly understanding our thoughts, feelings, motives and actions, allows us to see clearly through others. The blinders come off.

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I also told him that he's just a predator looking for prey and he was not even able to have healthy relationships with his family. I kept telling him over and over what a mean, rotten, nasty person he was.

It seems for now, you feel the need, to wield the sword at him. May I suggest that you take him from the cross hairs, place a bat in your hands, and whack a tree until you are physically exhausted. Learning how to feel your feelings, all the way through, and come to peace with them, in a way that keeps your dignity, will give you more for your buck. Engaging with crazy, has only one result. You both look crazy... .Your use of predetor, puts you in the martyr role, as if you didnt make decisions to land you here. This is counter productive, but gives you justification. Whether its anger, sadness, or happiness, feel it through. They are just feelings, and they will pass. So as long as no self harming actions take place, this is the healthy way.

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Spoken as a true co dependent sufferer.  Does it really matter? Whats done is done, and the only thing one can do, is process it, and make changes to ones behavior in the future... .My personnel experience was, that it just entrenched deeper in her mind, that I am the cause of all of her pain. It gave her ammo to approach mutual acquaintances, to further her facade, and whatever a person, with a part time self, does. It did give me the reason, to request an email only, communication line. This gave me the space I needed, to start my healing. With two daughters caught in the middle, one of us needed to stop the war. I was no longer feeding the BPD machine... .From what i understand about the ex. She probably started to think about what I said, started to feel the abandonment depression, and made a quick attachment to another unsuspecting person, only to wash, rinse, repeat, just as she did with me for 12+ years.

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if anything and what do you think might happen to me?
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Hopefully, you are able to use logical mind and make a decision that benefits you and your children. Regardless what it looks like to others... .What is it, that you want to happen?

I wish you well, PEACE
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2013, 11:32:51 AM »

Unfortunately it is not my house.  It was his house before I met him.  He refused to put my name on the title and even made me sign a pre nup. I was instructed by my L to stay in the house because we are trying to get me to live in the house for a few years while my kids finish elementary school.

He can't go live with his GF because unlike my stbx, she cares about her child and doesn't want him sleeping over when her daughter is with her.

What a horrible situation.  I am so sorry.  How are the divorce proceedings going?  Is there a time frame that you can use to look forward?

turtle

Friends, relatives, or whatever, get the hell out of Dodge. Trauma bonds dont break when you live with them.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2013, 11:35:56 AM »

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Engaging with crazy, has only one result. You both look crazy... .

Yep!

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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2013, 01:19:44 PM »

Yep I not only looked crazy but I felt crazy too.

Thank you findingme2011- I know the origin of my pain.  It is from my physically abusive father. 

I will print out your post and share it with my T.  I need to get well.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2013, 04:27:38 PM »

Good for you.  I have fantasies of telling my X off.  There are so many things I would like to say to him.  I've just never been able to bring myself to do it.   Mine xBF wouldn't be able to handle it.  He'd cut me out of his life and heart forever.  In fact one of the stated reasons for our break up was "You tell me I make you feel like crap and that's something I don't wish to hear anymore." 
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2013, 12:51:09 AM »

Turtle-  I don't know if I can resist the urge again.  We are still living together and even though he's never been a willing father he now comes and goes to his GFs house as he pleases without worrying about his kids.  However, when he is home he trys to tell me all the wrong things I'm doing with the kids.  It drives me crazy!  

MovingOn, can I suggest that while you are living with him you look up some of the communication tools on either the Undecided or Staying Boards. The leaving board is for detaching and I understand your need to detach however... .

Are you familar with some of the staying lessons and how to set boundaries. Life will not be pleasant for you or the kids if conflict is rife. We feed the conflict cycle - know of any ways you can stop the cycle and make things a little better while you are still in the same house?
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