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« on: April 07, 2014, 12:14:39 PM »

New Follow Up Post:

This is a follow up to a post I wrote last June.  https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=204037.0It has now been 7 months since our last contact and almost a year since she left me for the second time.  I am now in a healthy relationship that seemed to happened by accident.  At the beginning of this relationship (met her in June just before my birthday) I was very wary of other women who displayed even the slightest hint of narcissism or possible BPD symptoms.  I was probably over sensitive at the time.

But for everyone out there, there is hope.  Today is my exgf's birthday.  I asked a mutual friend if it would be polite just to wish her a happy birthday.  I was told not to because after normal e-mail exchanges when she asked me for help, suggestions and time in the nicest way, I got this from her last May: 

You keep asking me to forgive you for what has passed between us. It’s not so much that I can’t forgive you, it’s that I forgive too easily. And it isn’t that I haven’t already forgiven you. It’s that you and I, together, aren’t at a place where we can’t be together without our stuff devolving into a fight.

I can’t say this any plainer. I am afraid of you and afraid of who I become when I am with you. That alone, for me, is enough reason to be apart.

I have been so confused, such a mess. I need to be alone to heal this. When ever I’m around you, that confusion comes back. I’m not ready yet. I strike out in anger to push the source of the pain and confusion away, meaning you. You’ve often leaned in too far on me when it was more prudent, respectful, to pull back and hold your own.

You question whether I’m greiving. Ask yourself if you’re just trying to get a response out of me or if you truly believe that. Sometimes I feel that you want to solicit responses from people—I’ve watched you do it with me, the kids, with your clients. Maybe you’re unaware that you do this. It seems that you’re certainly unaware of how it triggers an anger response in people.

Anyway, I won’t try to psychoanalyze you. You know that I loved you and how deeply I loved you. I need, now, to put some of that focus back onto me.

I do believe we’ll be friends. For now, though, I need space and time without you so that I can heal.



So I did.  I de-friended her on Facebook and stepped away. It wasn't easy.  I think I was hoping that one day she would remember all the times she told me "I broke the spell" She loved me more than anything.

Heck, she made love to me the day before she left, looked me in the eye and told me she loved me.  But I was blind to the fact that the relationship she was having with me, was not the same one I was having with her.

After several months I casually suggested we get together for coffee in the spirit of healing.  She sent me this:

I have to be honest. I don’t want any contact at all.

I don’t care about what you want to say to me or what you need to heal. For me, our relationship was very damaging. It has left me reeling and grappling and deeply hited up. I can’t have contact with you if I’m to recover.

You can say or feel what ever you want. It’s your life, your story. In my world, our relationship devastated me on so many levels I don’t even know where to start. I cannot be around you. At all.

I lived in fear of you most of the time. I never knew what would set you off into a rage. I can’t pretend anymore that that isn’t my truth just to make you feel better, or more honestly, not say it simply because I am afraid of you.

You can talk about how I yelled, about how I was sick all the time, what ever. It doesn’t change the fact that you have a problem with raging and criticizing. I will not subject myself to that ever again.

There is nothing you can say that will change any of it. Your sweet words, your love, your kindness were all rendered to ashes with your screaming.  Yes, I lost it. I surely did usually after hours of you yelling at me late into the night when I was exhausted beyond reason.

I have nothing but anger and fear and heartbreak for you. Please, do not contact me again.



I was devastated and baffled.  I took the highest road, was kind, gave her money, answered he questions about her new city... . despite this she told everyone she left an "abusive: relationships and she was in a relationship with a sociopath who took advantage of her "sensitive" nature.  I was crushed and took a hard look at myself to see if any of that was true.  I certainly became angry after months of being blamed for just about everything.

So how do I know I'm not those things?  I have now been in a relationship for nearly 10 months with a wonderful woman.  I was wary at first but this relationship has grown and blossomed.  All the horrible things I was accused of are baffling to my new gf.  And she is now slouch.  She is a doctor and a surgeon and very grounded.

When I see myself in the reflection of her eyes I feel validated and loved unconditionally.  Perhaps we were drawn together since she survived a borderline marriage.

But needless to say I did a lot of work on the part of me that needed the sex from my ex and desperately craved the love and attention that was missing in my life.

But I first had to give it to myself without needing it from my partner.

I still feel like I have no closure but have not contacted her since that email last August.  There will be always a part of my heart that will be sad that she needs to hold me as the evil "borderline" sociopath.  She had been believing this long before she met me.

There is hope for everyone out there.  Just check in to see if the relationship you think  you are having with you BPD partner is the same one you are having.  It isn't.  Take care of yourself first.

Time will heal all wounds.  Create boundaries for yourself.
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 12:21:21 PM »

Awesome post MindfulMan !

Gives hope to us all.   

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2014, 12:55:35 PM »

Great post, MindfulMan!

It is good to hear that you have moved on with life and are doing well!  I'm 120 days out and had a bit of a kick start to my healing and detachment with doing individual T for a year leading up to the b/u.  Life if so different now and the memories of the craziness feel like memories of memories.  I'm now 120 days into a new r/s = with myself!

I have held to n/c since my uBPD/NPD ex gf lives on my block and has attempted to break n/c a number of times.  She has three young kids with whom I had r/s, but I feel the whole family is unhealthy and there is nothing for me to gain by having an contact.  The word is that she is moving in the next few weeks, so that will definitely help to ensure a little more peace in my life.  Would it be nice to have had some closure in the form of a warm, caring discussion post b/u about how each of our behaviors and actions contributed to the r/s not working, along with a nice "farewell".  It was just not to be and it isn't in the cards to have any future communication with her either.

Like you, I started a beautiful friendship with a fabulous non PD lady about seven weeks ago that is slowly growing into a deeper r/s.  We are very open with each other about our past r/s and that has really helped me live in the present and appreciate such a wonderful person.  There aren't the red flags I know I missed or ignored with my ex gf.  There is also no chaos.  While I'm not looking to the outside for self love and acceptance, my new friend is extremely caring, validating, compassionate, empathetic, etc.  I try to tell her often how I appreciate those qualities and how lucky I am to have met her regardless of where our r/s goes.

I know now that my r/s with my ex gf happened for a reason.  There was a great deal of confusion, pain, abuse, love, dysfunction, etc.  And, there has been a great deal of "gifts" that I have received by digging deep in the slop.  While I had trouble coming to grips with my own decision to leave the r/s for good in early December, I see now that the ripple effects of that decision will go on for years to come.  I also look at the 3+ years in the r/s as relationship and person boot camp.  I needed to get to a point in my life to truly peel back the layers of hurt from my childhood (alcoholic and detached father) and deal with those things in a healthy way. 

Again, it was so good to read about your life a year out!  It gives me great hope that things can get better and better... .
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2014, 10:43:30 PM »

I'm glad that you're happy MiracleMan.

I'm reading Triangulation by adding you're e-mail communiques, and your description of her as  "evil sociopath borderline" That's the impression that I get.
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 01:43:01 AM »

I'm glad that you're happy MiracleMan.

I'm reading Triangulation by adding you're e-mail communiques, and your description of her as  "evil sociopath borderline" That's the impression that I get.

That's how she described me. I didn't describe her as an evil sociopath borderline. She's painted me black and this is part of her smear campaign. 

While I have been angry and appalled that she chose to smear me I have held NC. I am sad and heart broken. I don't think she's evil. Borderline is a terrible illness/personality disorder.  There were parts of her I truly loved. But over time, and now that I have a healthy relationship, I realize how much a part I played by accepting such a low bar for for myself. How much I was willing to tolerate because I was seeking to "understand" and make it "right". I can't help her.  Three husbands, two boyfriends and two girlfriends later, I have been added to the list.

Now I am the borderline, the sociopath, the evil one. Just like the others.

When I look into my current girlfriends eyes I see love. And she sees me. Not her projection of me. I'm still amazed and feel so grateful after what I've been through. 

Everyone should know that in order for there to be darkness, there also must be light.

Hang in there and with time the light will come to you too.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 01:56:53 AM »

I found this a year ago on this message board.  I have read it a dozen times and each time I get something new.  It describes the stages of a relationship with a borderline.  She if this doesn't resonate with you.  This was so me.  I was the understanding, driven, lonely child.

If anyone knows who wrote this, its brilliant.  Please post their credit.

From Idealization to Devaluation

In some relationships, the idealization phase is the partner being in lonely child stance and the Borderline being in abandoned child stance.*Both need saving* Both need attachment to stave off the pain of being alone.  This is one type of bonding seen in this community.

In this bond, both people bring core trauma to the relationship. Mirroring reenacts the earliest childhood experiences to rise up and emerge into consciousness.

In idealization, there is a dual identification and projection for both people that they have found a perfect love- however, one partner (the “lonely child”) does not yet realize that the other partner (the abandoned child= Borderline) has no whole self- and is utilizing a fantasy of a part-time good in order to fuse with the partner's part time good and become one.

The lonely child has spent much of their life becoming “one.”  When a lonely child finds an abandoned child, both parties feel needed. However, rather than truly loving the individuality of both parties- the sad, fantasy aspect of mirroring magnifies the unhealthy *needs* of both people.

When the lonely child begins to question the reality of mirroring (reality testing) this raises core traumas into activation concerning both the questioning (uncertainty) and the hope (unfulfilled expectations) of the unrealistic attachment. "Lack of inherent trust" is found in both parties at this stage.

Reality testing causes the lonely child to pull away because certain things don't add up- as you say, "the idealization phase slowly erodes."

Pulling away, even while in the lap of comfortable luxury- triggers the abandoned child issues of the Borderline. This causes panic reactions of clinging behaviors by the Borderline to prevent the retreat of their desired love object. These immature demands can look like entitlement to others, especially to a lonely child, who has learned early on to be self sufficient and to self soothe- but the entitlement markers are highly charged and emotional to a Borderline, which isn’t Narcissistic grandiosity- it’s ego deficiency and panic.

The entitlement phase brings a hidden "angry and aggressive child" out from hibernation and into full view and this usually occurs when the lonely child least expects it.  The angry child that emerges is pissed and has delusions of persecution that are ideas of reference from earlier childhood trauma. It’s at this point that the angry child (Borderline) will become enraged and try to cast off shame.  They may attempt to harm himself/herself in order to scapegoat the lonely child- who unwittingly stands-in for the earliest attachment.  This triggers the lonely child's trauma from their earliest attachment as well.

The Borderline wants so badly to be whole that they demand that the lonely child create wholeness for them- which the partner succeeds in doing early on but then relaxes. The Borderline temper tantrum, with its ideas of reference being so very childlike and fantastic, perceives the relaxation of the partner as though the attachment is split up. In order to cope, the Borderline must now find another part time perceived good object to self medicate the emotions of feeling badly from the split.  If this cannot be accomplished, the surge of limbic fear concerning anger and abandonment causes such great pain that self harm is often inflicted for relief.

The lonely child is often very surprised by this. The anger and dysregulation are in contrast to what he/she perceives are necessary for the circumstances. (The lonely child fails to see need disguised as "love."  Therefore, the lonely child seeks to understand the Borderlines ideas of reference concerning "love" in order to cope with the neediness and begins a line of questioning.  The Borderline retreats.

Lonely child is "understanding driven" and gets drawn into the Borderline acting out. The lonely child now has a mystery- the Borderline dilemma of "who am I?" This is very likely the same way that the lonely child came into existence as an “understanding driven” child. Especially when he questioned the motives of his earliest attachments during infancy and adolescence.

The lonely child *understands* the need to be held, loved and understood – because that’s what he longs for in others. The lonely child feels that in order to deal with acting out of the Borderline- the lonely child must project the aura of grace, compassion and understanding upon the Borderline and also guide, teach and show the way- because after all, that’s what the lonely child would want someone to do for him. There was a large reason that the initial mirroring (of this fixer /rescuer ego) worked so well in the idealization stage- the relationship really WAS the projection of lonely child that was mirrored, not the deficient ego of the Borderline.

In the "upside down" world of the Borderline, the lonely child is the perfect attachment to fuse to and the hypersensitive Borderline is the perfect mystery for the lonely child to try to understand.  This is the reactivation of a childhood dynamic- that forms a needy bond.

The Borderline is a perfect template with which to Header and identify with as a good object and also one to invest in to feel better about the “self.”

The understanding driven lonely child "imagines" (projects) onto the Borderline what he/she feels the Borderline identifies with. The lonely child often fills in the blanks with projective identification and the Borderline attempts to absorbs this- but it's impossible to appear as a self-directed person while taking cues and mirroring another self directed partner.

The Borderline scrambles to keep up with what is projected in a chameleon like manner.  All of this pressure to adapt and conform to the projection smothers and defeats the Borderline’s yearning for a perfect bond and triggers engulfment failure. 

Engulfment also means loss of control, annihilation fantasies and shame.  Shame activates the punitive parent that resides in their inner world, their psyche. The attachment failure has now become shame based for the Borderline.  It will soon become guilt driven for the lonely child partner.

Engulfment makes Borderlines very frustrated and angry- but Borderlines fear abandonment and choose to stuff away their fear and compulsively attempt to manage their pain. The impulsive gestures are a form of self harm that fixes the bond in a permanent chaos of action/reaction. 

Borderlines can be avoidant and passive aggressive and will do everything in their power to hide their strong emotions until they implode.  They swing wildly from abandoned child to angry child until they deflate into detached protector- who is basically a mute that doesn’t speak- or worse, speaks in word salad when confronted.

The swinging dysregulation pattern is unable to be separated and individuated and self directed. Because it cannot be self directed, it cannot be self soothed. There is no ability to defer these emotions to logic and reasoning with introspection *without* another person to blame.  This is where Borderlines are showing you the maturity stage at which they are developmentally arrested and remain stuck and frightened.

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Devaluing is the BPD going into the punitive parent role to switch up the control ~ control was relinquished in the idealisation phase so we will attach. The further along we get in the rs ~ the BPD then feels like we are the persecutor for their failing part time self ~ devalue. Devaluing is more about projection ~ because there failing self makes them feel woeful, scared, fearful.

We all have punitive parents that exist in our heads. This is our Superego.  The criticism felt by both parties exists as guilt and shame inside our heads. This tape plays over and over and is a re-working of former traumas. It is also a huge part of what makes complementary traumas so attractive as binding agents to each other.  The lonely child has the “tyrannical shoulds” while the abandoned child has defectiveness schema- together they interact and drive each other crazy.

The understanding driven child cannot fathom how another human being does not have a “self.”  The understanding driven child has had much childhood experience with strong selves and has created a self to understand the motives of others. Lonely children have a need to have some sort of control over their destiny because so much was out of control in their childhood.

The Borderline’s idea of destiny is being attached to others for protection. The Borderline cannot fathom what it means to have a stand alone “self.”

Both parties are human “doing” for others rather than being- but there is more impulsivity in Borderline in the “offering” of themselves as objects.  (The lonely child is very particular concerning who he gives his heart to and makes decisions based upon careful consideration.)

The failure to find a healthy mature love activates the punitive parent in both people’s psyche- one for persecution and the other for failure to understand others (cloaked in rescuing behaviors)- this is the “flea” of each others psychiatric trauma that really is a very strong obsessive bond, and one of endless victimization for both parties unless one or the other becomes understanding driven toward self direction.  Guess who has the best chance?  Unfortunately, the mirrored good that the Borderline provided was a very strong drug- and the obsession is outwardly projected (as it always has been) by the lonely child in order to understand and consequently, control it.

It’s at this point that spying, engaging in testing and push/pull behaviors occur as both parties fight for control. Each pours salt in the others core wound.

The understanding driven child tries to understand the Borderline and the Borderline feels misunderstood and persecuted. The understanding driven child retreats to repair their ego and the Borderline lashes out and tries to shame him. The pendulum swings back and forth in clinging and hating and disordered thought and chaos. 

The lonely child tries to uncover what they think the Borderline is hiding from them (triggering bouts of paranoia) or missing (creating dependency issues.)  The angry child threatens to destroy the relationship (as well as themselves = self harm) which triggers immense anger and outrage for both parties. Their love object is broken.

Both parties are in pain- and their egos are easy to "pinch" because they both fear abandonment.   At this point, both core traumas are exposed and the partners are no longer interacting with each other except to arouse each other’s trauma wounds from childhood.

The false self of the lonely child, that the Borderline mirrored, has more ego- as it is directly tied to a “self” which involves coping mechanisms from childhood that mirrored back good.  It was a self that was capable and seeming to have all the answers in the beginning.  When the Borderline tries to destroy it as a failed attachment, it begins to crumble and the lonely child retreats and tries to repair it- essentially wounded to the core. This is also part and parcel of the injury of the smear campaign- and the lonely child may try to return to defend the "self" from being attacked.

Trauma for the lonely child occurs mainly because of perceived failure they cannot “understand” enough (essentially an obsession at this point) and trauma for the Borderline occurs because of anger and abandonment and shame that existed since infancy- and persecution by their inner parent superego for not becoming whole. 

At this point, both parties feel like failures.

Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.

Eventually    , the fantasy begins to unravel for the lonely child, that they are alone- and the person that the lonely child fell in love with, (the person in the mirror,) was actually YOU.

Who really is the Borderline? Someone who needed you for awhile because they were scared to be alone.

They’re still scared. Forgive them if you can- they are modern day recreations of their own childhood fears.

Now- after reading all of this- You can’t keep going back for more trauma.   The trauma bond must be broken.

After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <<Understanding.>>

Try to give that to yourself.

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 02:05:36 AM »

Great post, MindfulMan!

It is good to hear that you have moved on with life and are doing well!  I'm 120 days out and had a bit of a kick start to my healing and detachment with doing individual T for a year leading up to the b/u.  Life if so different now and the memories of the craziness feel like memories of memories.  I'm now 120 days into a new r/s = with myself!

And that's the best place to start.  Congratulations!  That's the only person you have control over.  They are just memories.  And lessons.[/quote]
I have held to n/c since my uBPD/NPD ex gf lives on my block and has attempted to break n/c a number of times.  She has three young kids with whom I had r/s, but I feel the whole family is unhealthy and there is nothing for me to gain by having an contact.  The word is that she is moving in the next few weeks, so that will definitely help to ensure a little more peace in my life.  Would it be nice to have had some closure in the form of a warm, caring discussion post b/u about how each of our behaviors and actions contributed to the r/s not working, along with a nice "farewell".  It was just not to be and it isn't in the cards to have any future communication with her either.[/quote]
Don't count on it.  There often is no closure, except with ourselves.  I will probably never hear from my ex again.  She told me these same stories about all her past relationships[/quote]
Like you, I started a beautiful friendship with a fabulous non PD lady about seven weeks ago that is slowly growing into a deeper r/s.  We are very open with each other about our past r/s and that has really helped me live in the present and appreciate such a wonderful person.  There aren't the red flags I know I missed or ignored with my ex gf.  There is also no chaos.  While I'm not looking to the outside for self love and acceptance, my new friend is extremely caring, validating, compassionate, empathetic, etc.  I try to tell her often how I appreciate those qualities and how lucky I am to have met her regardless of where our r/s goes.[/quote]
Isn't it great?  I really know how that feels.  Sounds like you have really done some work on yourself.  No chaos.  And be grateful that she showed up in your life, because you were ready.  I tell my girlfriend everyday how much I appreciate her and how lucky I am.[/quote]
I know now that my r/s with my ex gf happened for a reason.  There was a great deal of confusion, pain, abuse, love, dysfunction, etc.  And, there has been a great deal of "gifts" that I have received by digging deep in the slop.  While I had trouble coming to grips with my own decision to leave the r/s for good in early December, I see now that the ripple effects of that decision will go on for years to come.  I also look at the 3+ years in the r/s as relationship and person boot camp.  I needed to get to a point in my life to truly peel back the layers of hurt from my childhood (alcoholic and detached father) and deal with those things in a healthy way. 

Again, it was so good to read about your life a year out!  It gives me great hope that things can get better and better... . [/quote]
Thanks Madison! And congratulations!  There is hope for all of us. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 08:27:36 AM »

I'm glad that you're happy MiracleMan.

I'm reading Triangulation by adding you're e-mail communiques, and your description of her as  "evil sociopath borderline" That's the impression that I get.

That's how she described me. I didn't describe her as an evil sociopath borderline. She's painted me black and this is part of her smear campaign.  

While I have been angry and appalled that she chose to smear me I have held NC. I am sad and heart broken. I don't think she's evil. Borderline is a terrible illness/personality disorder.  There were parts of her I truly loved. But over time, and now that I have a healthy relationship, I realize how much a part I played by accepting such a low bar for for myself. How much I was willing to tolerate because I was seeking to "understand" and make it "right". I can't help her.  Three husbands, two boyfriends and two girlfriends later, I have been added to the list.

Now I am the borderline, the sociopath, the evil one. Just like the others.

When I look into my current girlfriends eyes I see love. And she sees me. Not her projection of me. I'm still amazed and feel so grateful after what I've been through.  

Everyone should know that in order for there to be darkness, there also must be light.

Hang in there and with time the light will come to you too.

My apologies MiracleMan, I missed the context. I'm sorry about the smear campaign and disorded thinking that she caused. Your ex projected her lack of empathy, and awareness that she's disorded? It's a spectrum disorder, mine is in denial, and doesn't seem to be aware that she is sick. Those e-mails could of been written by my ex, I have several hundred of them. Having gone back to emails that were written over several years, the context is different now. I see a person that is oversensitive, hurt, her difficulties in expressing emotions. I can see that I was taking the vitriol at face value, with my counters, and responding with my own dysfunction.

I agree, through the darkness and pain, there is light and healing. Thanks for sharing that there is hope, and that we can move on with our lives.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

Good luck on your new journeys.
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