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Author Topic: Intense conflict, can't break the cycle.  (Read 479 times)
Beren2016

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« on: September 09, 2020, 04:35:42 AM »

Hi all thank you again for the help over the years

Right now I feel so lost and desperate, arguments over small little things are escalating beyond all control and I don't know how to stop it.

I will do my best to outline the situation but trying to workout the intracasices and psycologie of these situation is beyond me right now.

Aswell as my girlfriends BPD, It is important to mention that I have been suffering what I belive to be some anxiety recently, mainly cumulative stress which lead to a constant feeling of impending disaster... But also due to a period of daily breakups and 6 hour arguments a while ago, any upset I cause in my girlfriend causes me to start worrying about it escalating to a break up... This is why I need help as In that emotional place I lose any ability I have learned to deescalate the situation...


As simple a way as I can describe it is

The initial trigger could come from anywhere, the other day I spoke over her favorite part of a movie, yesterday I asked i misread a joke she made and asked a question, that she answered, too many times due yo me being anxious about upsetting her and doing the right thing... Relatively small things but they quickly spiral, as I try to apologise and worry that she is angry (she looks it) but says no and this makes her angry

If I describe the situation as a metaphor. The situation is a car and  It is rolling down a hill... Once it starts rolling I feel a desperate need to run after it as I need to stop it before it ends I'm disaster

My girlfriend feels like she is inside the car and just wants it to stop and thinks that I am pushing the car down the hill.

The argument very quickly isn't about the trigger and it turns into the same argument everytime, she has all of this emotion and anger, and I am trying franticly and desperately to calm this situation down as I feel this will inevitably lead to a break up. I am too desperate and All SET goes out the window.

she feels pushed by me so consequently I am always one step behind her, I feel like I'm trying to explain and apologise  but she is angry at the last thing I said seeing through a prism of bpd emotion and anger, so I move on trying to calm that point down which just pushes the argument ever onwards... The runaway car is always out of reach of my fingers.

We both just want it to stop that is clear, but our methods in doing that are total opposite, she wants me to go away but past situations have taught me that when I leave she takes the emotion from he situation and seathes with it and I get a break up text, so in my frantic state if I stay I can deal with the situation.

These crises are always the result of a minor misunderstanding that snow balls due to behavior being prejudged, miss reading of speach, and too emotional people being emotional at each other...

I think we both do wrong here we both jump to conclusions, think we can read minds and prejudge based on past situations. obviously to my GF when in a BPD crisis I am the sole problem, cause and reason of every argument.

The help I need is to find a away to calm these situations before we both reach the defensive reactionary part of these conflicts, it just feels like no matter what I say nothing deescalates it, especially once the BPD gets involved, it can feel like everything I say can be misunderstood or twisted and views as an attack when I'm trying the opposite..

I am sorry if this is all over the place, I am at a loss right now. If anybody can get any sense out of my ramblings and provide any guidence or insight it is much appreciated.

Thank you all in advance[/size][/size]

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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2020, 10:13:00 AM »

First time replying to anything on here. I'm far from an expert and far from in control of what's going on in my own situation, but here's what I can offer.

I'm speaking as one of the lucky ones in a sense. My wife and I had two years of alternating between strolling through a minefield, anything could set us on a path that would have us kneedeep in the mud, slogging through the trenches. A month and a half ago she entered intensive inpatient treatment. I am so immeasurably proud of her.

She's asking to end the marriage, but I suspect that's just her wanting to slough off the shame of her past actions. And just recently, after many moons of study and me watching videos and reading this board, and really examining my role in things, I realized the tools that I had to try to reach her were wholly inadequate. I was trying to open a lock with the wrong key.

Anyway, this isn't about me, it's about you. So let me tell you what I've learned. The first thing is to let go of everything you've gone through already. Your assumptions were wrong from the start and the way you've been trying to solve the problem or get your partner to listen to you or really ingest all the sense you're surely making, is wrong, and likely making the situation worse. Don't let go of your anger, your resentment, your injured past self, realize your part in making it happen. She may be being unreasonable to you, but because you don't understand the real reason why that's happening (you are sick), you are rushing the car down the hill. Not because you're wrong about how you feel, but because of how poorly you've addressed what your partner is going through. You're trying to drive a manual like an automatic, you need to learn to use the clutch.

At the beginning of these arguments, you may be in first gear, drifting to what you hope is a stop sign. Your partner however, is in 5th gear blazing down the highway at 75 miles per hour. What would happen if you just slam her car into first gear without slowing down or pushing in the clutch. You'd rip out your transmission and and blow the engine and everything ends in a fiery ball of misery. What you need to do is slow the car down, and downshift the conflict so that you both are in the same gear before trying to make sense of what's bothering you. This is what pBPDs can't do. It's as if they woke up in this manual transmission car going as fast as it is, they can't remember how they got there, and they've never learned how to drive stick. Imagine how much panic that must cause.

So what's the first step? Where's the clutch? Just listen. And because your partner is likely very perceptive to non-verbal communication, it's not enough to just keep your mouth shut, really be conscience of what she's seeing from you while you're listening. Mirror open posture, keep a positive or concerned look on your face, and just allow them the space to explain to you what's going on in their head, more accurately, what they feel. When you feel the need to interrupt, remember, they've come-to hurtling down the highway at 75 miles an hour at the wheel of a car they don't know how to slowdown. No one can care about how you feel under those circumstances. Any attempt to make them understan, will only work against your goals.

First, ask your SO why they are so upset, and do so with real concern. Then just listen, and really take in how they respond.

When your SO is done Leave at least three or four beats between the last thing they said and you opening your mouth. Then the first thing out of it should be to validate her. I know I know, you want to tell her how little sense she's making, how this isn't a big deal, how you love her and what she's feeling is out of proportion to what's going on, but do. not. do. that. Remind yourself over and over again that her car is out of control.

As far as your SO is concerned, they're going to die, you're mad, you're going to leave them just like everyone else, they are in a state of incapacitating panic. Telling them they don't make sense isn't going to make them feel like you care. Telling them, "Of course you feel that way. Of course that hurt your feelings. I can totally understand why it bugs you when I talk over your favorite part of a movie." Will let them know that you are there, you are present, and you are aware of what's going on with them. You don't have to apologize, but you do have to acknowledge what she is feeling is real, it's all encompassing, it's brutal, and it sucks for her. Most importantly for you, remember, like the car, it is completely out of her control.

I don't know if any of this makes sense, and it certainly doesn't in a normal nBPD/nPBD relationship where both parties can express their feelings with the expectation the other has the capacity to internalize them, but it's the only way I've found to make any progress.

By listening without interruption, and validating the way your SO FEELS, you help slow the car down, get her to the side of the road. Then and only then can you get out of your car and start talking about what happened.

I'm just spitballing here, but I found this piece to be helpful in understanding what it's like to have BPD:
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=306200.0

And this one helped me understand my role in what was going wrong:
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=306200.0

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2020, 11:38:50 AM »

Hi Beren,
What I feel are two issues from your post:
~  fear / almost terror of setting off your significant other.  Like any argument is going to be the end of the relationship, period. 

~Actual fear of the argument itself.  Like the argument itself will smash you to bits.

Your inner "okayness" is out of whack and is attached to what ever your BPD says in an argument, etc. I've had this, probably most of us have had this dealing with our BPD people,( walking on eggshells) but  I have found putting some focus back on me and getting my self esteem up is key.  As I work on me, the reaction of the BPD gets put back into perspective.   This is an ongoing process, of course.  Getting my relationship right with myself is the start. 

In one of your previous posts you have stated you bought your GF art supplies. This is very supportive.  Are you as supportive to yourself?  Do you do similar for yourself-  Have a hobby , activity, a something where you can get into just for your own peace of mind and pleasure?  What about any self - care?Our relationship with ourselves set the tone.

You have reached out here and that is an excellent start- to tune into/build  your own network of support.  Some other ideas could be going to a 12 step meeting program for families ( like al-anon, nar-anon, Co dependents anon) - they are free and teach the principle of detachment.  That is a must.
I could also throw out a link for good measure, but I have a feeling you have already spied it.
https://bpdfamily.com/content/ending-conflict
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