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« on: August 22, 2022, 03:58:07 PM »

I have been thinking a lot lately about my patterns in relationships of late.  My ex's birthday was yesterday and I fought the urge to break no contact and wish her a happy birthday.  Part of it was the desire to respect what she told me was the reason for ending things and to not speak for however long but in truth I was afraid of being left "on read" or have a short superficial conversation.  I feel relatively ok about it today even though yesterday was mental torture (no one to blame but how my own nutty head works).  I still miss her a lot but I am starting to wonder how I would even feel if we talked again in the future or even met up.
Today I find myself thinking back on my former "best friend" from my 20s.  I'll call her Anne (there is still the part of me afraid somehow they would come to this site and see these posts and instantly know it was me).  Anne was most likely a uPWB and to even get into our messy, toxic friendship would require a long post about someone I only think about these days from time to time.  But Anne was the reason I read so much about BPD to begin with.  We even spoke off and on last year for a few months after ten years.  But I maintained boundaries and could see a lot of what she was attempting to do with me.  Like my ex, she isn't malicious and she is not a bad person, but does not seem to understand how entirely selfish she is in her treatment of me.  She ended up blocking me on social media because I assume I wasn't behaving the way she wanted me to towards her.
I know the healthy thing for me to do is continue what I am trying to do: work on myself and my own life situation and be mentally and emotionally stronger.  But Anne and my ex aside, I often look at other women I have had close relationships or dynamics with.  I start seeing borderline traits in all of them looking back but it is unhealthy for me to start self diagnosing many or all of them as having BPD or at least traits of them.  I know in retrospect, I tend to get involved closely with women who have emotional trauma and/or mental health issues.  I know the simple reason is why because of my own mental health issues.
I think for me at the moment, I wonder if I could even be in a relationship that was healthy if the person did not have some level of trauma in their background.  That expression, find someone who matches your own level of crazy.
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In retrospect, I am not sure the point of this post.  I suppose my ex has made me question a lot about my life up until now and what I want my path to be going forward.  Maybe I just needed to vent a bit.
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2022, 03:03:23 PM »

I think this type of self-reflection is good and healthy and hopefully in the long run will lead you to develop an understanding of what a healthy relationship actually is and find someone who you can share one with. When I look back on my relationships, so many of them had traits of BPD and were emotionally unstable and left me feeling wild highs or walking-on-thin-ice anxiety spells. After my breakup with a diagnosed BPD in January, and several months of reading about personality disorders and ongoing therapy, it was like I was given a key that unlocked a lock. I realized that my mom has many of these same traits, and I was re-living my relationship with her with women over and over again. Unfortunately it took a really devastating breakup to learn that, but strangely, I needed it. Hopefully you'll come out of this knowing yourself a lot more and understanding your patters more clearly.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2022, 09:49:54 AM »

Hey, good to hear from you again.

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I have been thinking a lot lately about my patterns in relationships of late.

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My ex's birthday was yesterday and I fought the urge to break no contact and wish her a happy birthday.  Part of it was the desire to respect what she told me was the reason for ending things and to not speak for however long but in truth I was afraid of being left "on read" or have a short superficial conversation.  I feel relatively ok about it today even though yesterday was mental torture

What's it like to reflect on Sunday being mental torture and Monday feeling OK-ish? Anything stand out to you?

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I still miss her a lot but I am starting to wonder how I would even feel if we talked again in the future or even met up.

Yes, this is relatable. This seems like a normal part of the process of grieving the end of a relationship -- holding both of those feelings at once.

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OK, on to the reflections on relationship patterns:

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I often look at other women I have had close relationships or dynamics with.  I start seeing borderline traits in all of them looking back but it is unhealthy for me to start self diagnosing many or all of them as having BPD or at least traits of them.

That's a good question.

One thought is that if a person looked back on many relationships and decided to label the partners as "disordered" or "abusive" or whatnot as a way to avoid personal responsibility, then yes, that is unhealthy. In fact, that can be a  Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post) to us: does a friend, potential partner, date, etc, label most to all previous relationships as "abusive" or "toxic" etc, AND hint/imply "but it wasn't my fault"?

It can take some nuance to thread that needle. I think it is possible to be a person who, through childhood/early adult experiences, "got wired" to be attracted to certain vibes/traits/etc. So, yeah, it's possible to have a string of previous relationships that yes, might mostly or all qualify as "BPD-type".

The big question though is what the person does with that information. To go in the direction of saying "Seems like they all had BPD or BPD traits... but it wasn't my fault" is in itself a  Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post) about the speaker. To go in the other direction, though, of saying "Seems like they all had BPD or BPD traits... so what can I learn about myself from my choices, and how can I use what I've learned to be healthier" -- that's not a bad thing, that's not unhealthy.

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I tend to get involved closely with women who have emotional trauma and/or mental health issues.  I know the simple reason is why because of my own mental health issues.

And it sounds like you're willing to take responsibility for your part in participating in those relationships. That does not sound unhealthy to me. It sounds like the start of some reflection, learning, and having the opportunity to take a different (though perhaps uncomfortable, at first) path moving forward.

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I wonder if I could even be in a relationship that was healthy if the person did not have some level of trauma in their background.  That expression, find someone who matches your own level of crazy.
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That's another good question. I think the answer is going to be tied into your view on if people can grow and change. I think it's possible to make choices that long term "rewire" your desires and attractions, through working on understanding how you got to be you in this position. Or, actually, sort of arguing against myself, I think it's more that you can decide to make conscious choices, regardless of for whom you feel that magnetic attraction, about who you want to be with. I think you can choose stability/health in a partner even when part of you might say "but what if I were with this other person instead, she's so magnetic/charismatic/exciting..." Maybe that's the growth -- taking that subconscious attraction that in the past has "run the show" and instead realizing that you can make conscious choices not to act on it, to choose different partners.

Anyway, food for thought.

Another way to look at it is -- even if it may be true that right now, at this moment, you might still choose someone with trauma in their background, that isn't necessarily a "life sentence" for you. Think about where you were at even a few weeks ago. I hear a difference in "you now" from "you then". "Future you", if you choose to put in the work, isn't destined to more disordered relationships.

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I suppose my ex has made me question a lot about my life up until now and what I want my path to be going forward.

Yeah, I definitely hear that in your post. This is a good place to come and just get stuff out "on paper" and think.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2022, 12:38:48 PM »

It's always good to hear from you kells.

Yes, I am willing to take responsibility for my part in my past relationships.  It takes two and I am fully aware of my own issues that lead to these types of relationships.  I know that is a healthy thought to have and I have tried several things to lessen the pain of what I am going through.  But if I'm being completely honest, I am incredibly burned out.  Many of the stories I read on here from people who broke up with or got dumped by their ex have been inspiring to a degree.  I know that is possible.  But at the moment, I truly do not know what I want my life to resemble.  I know I don't want to think about whether she is going to reach out again in the future or not.  My previous therapist told me he thinks she will based on our history but I am not so sure and naturally it is irrelevant.  She is either working on herself or not and she has made it not concern me unless she reaches out again and I decide to try again.  But in the meantime, I really do not know what I would like my daily routine to look like.  I don't have a lot of exciting passions.  Much of that is rooted in my own depression and personality disorder.

In response to how I feel neurotic one day and ok the next day, I cannot really explain that.  Yesterday I felt more or less upbeat (as much as I can) and today I woke up with it feeling just as fresh as when she ended things.  I miss her a lot and I miss talking with her, even the messy times.  It's messed up but I still do.  And I cannot keep functioning wondering about what she is doing at any given moment.  And what I can do in the meantime, I really do not know right now.
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