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« on: September 17, 2022, 10:26:16 AM »

our loved ones are highly needy - pathologically needy - people, with limited coping skills, limited skills at getting needs met, and, generally speaking, dysfunctional ways of getting them met.

its really one of the first things to know, in order to go into these relationships with eyes wide open.

its a relationship that, generally speaking, wont be "fair", and support may be limited (its important to have a strong support system outside of the relationship for this reason).

what is one thing our loved ones tend to need? a lot of reassurance and validation. tons of it. consistently. the role of emotional caretaker requires that we be the emotional leader, and "rock" of the relationship.

thats pretty challenging, if not impossible, to do right now, i know. its very much a "put your own oxygen mask on first" situation.

i think my point is that it may not be realistic to expect support from him in that regard right now, because he cant see beyond his fears, and his own needs. when he says that the absence of you represents his world ending, at least in terms of his feelings, hes not exaggerating.

there are certainly ways to build and grow trust, and an environment where our relationships can thrive, but none of that means there A: wont be plenty of storms or B: that we can love or reassure them enough to assuage their fears.

Hello, once removed, it's been a while.  I looked for your posts because your posts so often resonate with me in navigating life with a BPD partner.  I'm still married to my uBPDh and don't foresee any other action at this time.  Meaning, there are always options, but I am choosing, and have chosen, to stay for the foreseeable future.

I am writing because this particular post nails it for me.  Also, many of your other recent posts, such as the one where you speak of JADEing and the related workshop, resonate strongly with me.

Where I am today:
Not desperately seeking a diagnosis for him.  He's out of touch, unwilling to look that way, rife with accusations that our problems are as much due to me as to him.  I'm not easy to live with, I know that; and I do not meet his needs, not even close, which is a constant theme.  That, and abandonment.  (As for "diagnosis," he strongly meets 7 of 9 of the criteria in the article I just read on this site, so I'm sold.  I have nearly 27 years experience with this person.)

I'm trying to learn lots of things.  How to accept that, at 61 years old, life is changing, and to find new ways of living and purpose/meaning in that:  my physical health, kids leaving the nest, senior person at my FT work with most 1/2 my age, etc. -- you name it, midlife themes.  As far as the marriage, I'm simultaneously trying to be aware of my feelings and needs and to take actions that seem reasonably self-affirming, even in the face of, and over, his objections, which I know are abandonment fear-driven.

Case in point:  A group of female friends (mothers of our youngest kids, same grade in school and sports teammates - I mention this b/c we have a strong bond from all that time spent and b/c of the whole mom ethos - we are close, laugh at lot, and can be honest with each other - something I NEED, aka "strong support system")...  planned this trip to Las Vegas.  Long weekend in November.  After much deliberation, I decided to go.  The main reason I wouldn't have gone was to avoid his disappointment/lack of support/disapproval.  So I booked my flight and walked through that short-term discomfort.  Major objection was financial (LOL:  see previous posts).

Even the simple act of attending a high school football game last night with our youngest child, 20, a former player - at his invitation to us both, which wasn't lost on me - was a cause for negativity from my uBPDh.  But it was a lovely evening.  I love football.  The season is about 1/2 over.  I could see nothing, other than my uBPDh's perceived abandonment/lack of support, to prohibit my going.  So I went, alone.  (He admittedly had a lot on his plate this weekend.)  I had fun.  Another "wall of fire" to walk through--his disapproval.

That's one thing I am doing now.  Trying to face the fear [of him, his often brutal verbal lashings, the sadness that comes with the emotional hangover of an unhappy BPD partner].  Trying to replace that with compassion.

But if I'm short on anything, it's the compassion.  I try.* The reality is, I don't much enjoy his company.  He has just, as of last week, stopped drinking again--so I know he's going through a lot.  I don't get to hear his inner struggles, because I'm not "safe" for him to share with.  (Go figure!  I'm disappointed, but partly get it.  His actions routinely piss me off and confound me, so no wonder I'm not his go-to confidante!)

Just checking in.  Glad to see the board is alive & well.  Doing the best I can to balance priorities, but admittedly slanting them a bit more toward myself these days.  If I'm honest, I know my uBPDh needs affirmation/validation/affection/attention, but I almost feel like I need to flex my self-care muscle a bit and get that stronger before I can do a hill o' beans good to him in those other ways.  When I bypass the self-care, I know I'm back into that mode of doing but not wanting to, aka, codependent care-taking.

Cheers.

*What is "trying?"  Listening to work stories which bore me intensely.  Going on walks (enjoyable) when I know he's going to rant most of the time, often about our kids (not enjoyable).  Physical intimacy (where we have major differences in "drive").  Going on trips to provide companionship (enjoyable, mostly).  Working on home projects (enjoyable, mostly).  Providing support in myriad ways (bringing him coffee in the morning sometimes, making him a dish to pass for a ministry event, etc.).  Being kind and inclusive to his parents (mostly enjoyable, but wonder if they caused him to be BPD?).  Praying for him.  Asking God to help me love him.  Going into the hot tub (not my thing; his, and I go reluctantly if I'm honest.  Call me weird.  Most people love those things!)
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2022, 11:42:52 AM »

It’s a high wire balancing act. You can only do so much to support your partner without losing some equilibrium in your life.

Select the things that engage him, at the least cost to yourself. Better to find things that nourish the two of you.

Have you heard of FOG (Fear Obligation Guilt)?

If you do things that are motivated by FOG, it’s likely to wear down your own emotional support system. Best to take care of yourself so you’re available to provide good companionship to him.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2022, 11:37:05 AM »

How are things going, Bertha88? I hope you are doing more of the things you enjoy.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2023, 03:03:21 PM »

Hi Cat,
So nice to hear from you.  Time has passed, but my situation is much the same.  I am doing more that I enjoy but my uBPDh isn't part of that.  We are sort of living in an emotional freezer compartment.  I am conscious of trying to be more self-affirming and I honestly choose not to fold him into things because I get caught up in his web.  Plus, things are looking more and more bizarre and hopeless.  I just contacted a person on a local website (she looked safe) about a room for rent she has available.  The prospect of leaving is daunting, but lately I am feeling more and more like it is impossible for me to stay with him.  The cost feels too high and the situation too hopeless.  Likely I will back off from that prospect - I always do - but I seem to be running out of steam/excuses with him.  Even the smallest irrational criticisms/arguments directed to me or my loved ones are striking me as "not small," in the sense they are so deep-seated and unrecognizable to him.  Do I want to spend the rest of my life cringing when the garage door opens, afraid to ask about birthday gifts for loved ones, allowing him to freely spend "our" money while having to rationalize any expenditures for myself?  My "walk the high road" mentality is crumbling.  It is terrifying to think of up-ending our lives (marriage), but I realize that I live in fear, true fear, of him--not from physical, but emotional, abuse.  The amount of power I've given away astounds me.  The mind games and rationalizations...  And he's right when he says our marriage is a "sham."  I just no longer see any hope in talking it out or counseling... He sees things through a lens that seems impenetrable, and up to this point I've been willing to carry the heavy load of being his partner.  But that, right now, seems like too high a price to pay.  I am sad for him and for me.  Not sure where this will end up.  I seem to get on this site only when in crisis, so here I am again.

I got a message from the site that my thread had expired, so I will post this but also start a new one.

Cheers, and thank you again for caring.
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2023, 11:25:49 AM »

It sounds like you are able to participate in things alone that you find enjoyable, yet your marriage is feeling more distant and remote, and you are wondering about the long term prospects of staying with him.

If you want strategies to improve your marriage, then we can address issues that could be helpful here on the Bettering Board.

If you would like to discuss staying vs. leaving in more depth, I suggest you start a post on the Conflicted Board. Many members have chosen to leave dysfunctional relationships with their BPD partners, and can discuss issues there that can arise with that choice.


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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2023, 06:42:13 PM »

Thank you, Cat Familiar.  Whenever I contemplate staying I feel a sense of relief, so of course I would rather have things improve.  It seems that (ironically) one strategy for me is getting stronger myself, better able to set boundaries.  Yet there's a price to pay!  I just came from a counseling session and my counselor said well yes, of course, there will be a price to pay as you get stronger.  My attitude is, if he wants to come along then fine; if not, I hope to reach a point where I can make the decision to engage more positively in life without him.

What strategies do you recommend?  My goal in this instance would be to stay while simultaneously being able to be more my authentic self, less hampered by crazy notions of what I should be doing to keep him happy (impossible). Yet I also need to practice (if staying) more strategies to treat him with kindness and empathy.

Here's one example:  SET=Support/Empathize/Trust.  When he goes on a rant about how horrible our adult children are (they are far from horrible), I get angry.  Very difficult to show any genuine support at that time when my insides are screaming that it's his warped sense of [something] driving that inaccurate portrayal.  I just feel disgust and want to distance.  Saying, "You sound really frustrated by this..." or "I can understand that it really bothers you when he eats all your ice cream" sounds disingenuous to me!

There may be a lot more I can do that I have not yet attempted.  I'll consider any ideas, as I am once again in my "comfortable" limbo-land.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2023, 07:08:32 PM »

You feel what you feel and you cannot think yourself into feeling what you do not feel.

Something I’ve learned as a reformed codependent/caretaker is learning not to give a sh&t about my husband’s response to my decisions. I use my ethical compass to make choices and attempt to *do no harm*. However if he is upset by what I choose to do, that is a *him problem* and none of my business.

I no longer try to soothe, placate, get him to understand my side, because when he’s upset—he simply won’t. Instead, I let him *stew in his own juices* as my mother used to say.

Ironically, he gets over things far more quickly this way and I don’t get wrapped around the axle trying to keep him from being upset. Interestingly enough, not giving a f# seems ultimately more compassionate in the end, rather than trying to appease him.

BOUNDARIES!  You live your best life and he has the choice how he wants to respond to you, and that’s not your business.

I don’t know if this is what you’re asking, but it’s been a winning strategy for me. It’s unfortunate that our partners are not emotionally healthy people, but you play the game you’re in, not the game you would prefer to play.

 
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