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« on: March 01, 2013, 11:34:30 AM »

So I have been crazy about this girl for over 12 years now, since high school. I never really made a move till final year of undergrad. She knew I liked her, but would reject me and push me away every evening. Yet next day would come back to talk to me. The reason for the pushing away was because of our different faiths. Her family is strict Muslim and she cannot be with a non-Muslim man. But I believe she would come back because she had feelings for me. She pushed me away for a couple of months, but came back late one night with a huge problem about her and I spent the entire night consoling her (start of a process that will repeat countless times). 3 more months later she confessed that she had been sexually abused as a child for 3 years by five of her uncles. She said the secret for 10 years had been killing her and she was near suicidal. Once she told me that, she said I am her guardian angel (idealization!). Over the next few months we had the most intense and romantic relationship. Even though she is from a culture where virginity is held dearer than life, we had physical relations after she gave hints that she wanted to. A week after graduation, she called me and broke up because half her family found out about me and they are blackmailing her that if she doesnt break up, they will tell her father after which God knows what will happen. A few months later she contacted me to tell me never to contact her and that she was disgusted by our relationship. A month later she wanted to meet her at her dental school for closure. And then she disappeared for 4 years till late 2010. Till then, it seemed as if this is a normal story of heartbreak due to parents.

About 2.5 years back she contacted me as someone else (as a coworker of her)... .  would flirt a little, tell me that I should contact my ex, that my ex misses me. I refused and then she contacted me as herself and wanted to meet me. She said she wanted one last meeting before her parents find a husband for her. When we did meet, she did not seem like the strong-willed, confident girl I had known before. She cried on my shoulder, kissed me, but left. Two months later late one night... .  the intense BPD relationship began. She was having problems with her parents and I believe she had split them black. So she came to me for comfort. She wanted to meet me at her hospital where residents stayed overnight... .  and on our first meeting she had a panic attack and asked me to spend the night with her. We had sex and for the next month she would ask for the same, whether it was a weekend or weekday. We also had pretty romantic dates and moments together. But since she is still living at home, it had to be in secret or in her hospital sleeping room. After a month later I started noticing the craziness. Her expectations were so unrealistic that my female coworkers said she has either never been in a relationship or watches too many movies. She had also started to blow up in rage over things I didn't understand. On any instance I could her hero or her villain. She was pretty suicidal and that scared the crap out of me. I will have to leave stuff and go take care of her. She would get panic attacks and separation anxiety when I had to go out of town for graduate school interviews. I never realized the fear of abandonment at that point. When she told her mother about her use, her mother's reaction was to ask "are you a virgin" and her sister's reaction was "you are selfish for wanting to expose your uncles". The emotional and verbal abuse she has received and continues to receive at home is out of the chart. That is what which drives her crazy, yet she defends them like hell if I say a word about her family. About 6 months later she promised me she won't ever leave me and we decided to tell her father soon. Yet a few weeks later she decided to break up... .  but stayed in limbo for a few days before her brother exposed our relationship to her father. And then it got crazy.
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 11:35:29 AM »

She told me we have to get married the next day and she should come with me to the new city I was moving to for graduate school in 5 days. For the previous 7 months she had said she won't act in haste and won't do anything like this. When I reminded her that, she broke up again saying I abandoned her (I thought she had already broken up a few days earlier). Till today she holds on to the fact that I left her. Of course logic and reason never worked. That was one option I had given. I said if things are too bad, yes she can come with me. I was worried about her finances because she had huge dental school loans and she was starting a new job in 3 days. That was our mature plan before this blow up. Over the couple of months she said we aren't together because my mother isn't treating her as a daughter-in-law (made no logical sense), or I abandoned her, or I never proposed to her (I had been asking her to marry me since college). I would go to my home city every month to meet her, half the times she would and would make love, and half the times she wouldn't see me. She had come up with new excuses about why we aren't together... .  I am not educated enough, I haven't accomplished anything in life (i am doing my PhD), I am a no one... .  why should she leave her job and come with me. The reason we weren't together was always my fault, never herself or her father. Over Christmas we met up a few times... .  she wanted a final date with me. No matter what I suggested, it wasn't good for her (that is extremely common behavior from her anyway). So I suggested why not stay in a motel room for a couple of hours since whatever I suggest you don't want to do, and you have no idea of your own. She agreed to it. Yet next day when I picked her up and reminded of motel, she exploded like a volcano. I had never been abused like that before. But after a year of verbal abuses, this got to me and I had started crying in public. That pissed her off even more and she walked off. She told me I was just like her uncles who would take her to a room and rape her. I knew her past would make her feel it that way, but just like the abandonment accusation, she has never taken that accusation back. Her excuse has always been "thats how I felt then".

She would ignore for a few months, then would get drunk and ask me to save her. She cannot be with another man and cannot let another man touch her. I told her I will bring a ring and then the final choice is yours. I went home 4 days later and she blew up on me because I didn't have a ring (I never thought she would expect one in 4 days... .  I was going to propose in a month once I had arranged the money to buy one). She said she is so angry she wants to slap me. I said if it will make you feel better, do it. And she actually slapped me twice in public... .  but that still didn't calm her. She said I could have asked her to marry me without a ring (which I have like a million times!). Then she came up with new excuses as to why we are not together... .  I never showed her a ring. If I had ever showed her one, she would have left home and accepted me. I never showed her commitment. I couldn't believe she took my idea of the ring and turn it around to blame me! A few weeks later I made a website, recorded a video, and proposed to her via website. I was going home in 4 days to do it in person. Once I did it online, she had no excuse to blame me anymore. Then she started changing her story as to how she doesn't know if she has an answer and maybe I should't propose to her. But I did, she didn't answer. I went to her home to ask for her hand. Of course her dad said no. She had told me if her father ever asks her to leave, she will leave. Well, he did tell her to go with me... .  except she walked back with him and called me next day to reject my proposal. I dared her to tell it to my face. She met me and after a lot of prodding exploded saying I will never my parents, not for anyone. So I had my answer, I was at peace.

A few weeks later she contacts me saying she thinks she needs psychiatrist help. In the previous few months I had started googling her symptoms because I felt someone is crazy. It felt like we are living in alternate realities. And that is how I came across BPD. I told her that. She herself saw that she matched all 9 criteria of BPD! She started going to a therapist... .  who got overwhelmed by her story. And in the first or second meeting that day lady said "you seem fine, there is nothing wrong with you". I felt I was crazy. Her parents did go with her once to therapy... .  but not to listen, but to vent their anger and leave. Couple of weeks into therapy I went with her, and the first question I was asked was "tell me about your gambling problem". I had no idea what was going on. I go to casinos with a couple of friends about 1-2 times a year for last 3 years. I have won hundreds of bucks. Those facts were never said to the therapist. My ex had made up her own reality again. After talking to both of us that lady finally realized that my ex isn't telling everything the way it is. We decided to keep therapy going, but suffice to say, once my ex knew her version of reality was exposed as lies... .  that was the end of therapy for her.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 11:36:20 AM »

Around this time she promised again that she will never leave me because it is in the end her life, her choice, her decision. Except three days later "if you don't do what my father wants, then you do not respect him". I was sorta done with this. Over next couple of months we had some contact, but kept distance or no contact. Last september she again contacts me... .  about how she finds it hard to hate or to be hated by someone she loves. she can at least keep her friend (me). Few hours later I find out she had another huge fight at home... .  and she decided to visit me later that month. Then it gets very grey, she tells me she loves me, but tells me since we can't be together, as we just friends with benefits. She reminds me how I haven't called her beautiful or told her I love you in a while. Then she tells me why haven't I met her when I go home. This happened over a couple of months. Last November one night I told her I love you, and she said if I do that again "I will walk away without a word and you will again be asking 'why'". We went on a date during thanksgiving, we kissed, later that night she got an angry call from home, and she exploded on me saying how dare I not respect her space. She does not want a relationship and I shouldn't have kissed her. Then she goes off again for a month. A week before Christmas she gets drunk, calls and tells me she loves me. We meet up, she kisses me. (And I am thinking how hypocritical she is). She have sex in the car and she says she is fine in her monthly cycle. But when we are done, she does her calculation again and smack she picked the worst possible day for sex without protection. I can't believe this is happening to me. She had always said if I got her pregnant her father would have no choice but to approve of me. Well, we bought plan B and she thanked me for not abandoning her (the irony!). Later that night she wants to go to a motel that week. Yup! We do, she was wearing the promise ring I had given her two years back. Again on New Year's Eve we go have a drink, and she gives hints about having sex. That was the last time I saw her. Once I came back after new year's, she started saying how it was all casual sex without meaning, and she doesn't want a relationship etc etc. But she tells me she loves me and dreams about us being married. The day before our "fight" in January she was mentioning how her coworkers have so many kids, each with a different man. None are married. All of them sleep around if they get angry with their boyfriends. And how she is not like them. Next morning I remind her its our 7 year anniversary of her sharing her secret with her. Her casual answer was "I didn't see love, affection, feelings in your past couple of years". it wasn't even said out of anger, just casually and she went to other topics. But it had pissed me. Later that night I was defending her how she deserves better from her family. Any word about her family from me pisses her off. And then she was gone. I did not know we had a fight till two days later I read on her coworkers facebook page about her date and how she found a keeper who is tall, dark, handsome with a new 2013 Audi. My ex never shares her private life, ever. Except now she was telling anyone who would listen. One of her common friends found out she went on her date the evening after our fight. So she went online, made a profile on a matrimonial site, and I don't know what she has been doing for last 5 weeks. I was talking to her friend and my ex comes online to curse me out as to how I blew up on her and her parents (I was defending her!), how she has broken up with me a long time back and I cannot accept it, she has been over me for a very long time, I do not want her to be happy etc etc. Thats the last I have heard from her... .  32 days back. I messaged her once... .  no reply. Her best friend from junior high contacted me saying I should leave her along since we haven't spoken in 8 months. I said we haven't spoken only in past few days! My ex hadn't talked to her bestie since early summer... .  after the therapist thing. Because me and that girl are the only two people in the world who will tell her truth, unlike her coworkers who are actually her assistants who will say anything their boss (my ex) wants to hear. This mutual friend of hers was in a total shock once I explained everything over past two years, and how the reality of what my ex had told her was so different.

So am I crazy, or is she a high functioning BPD? There lies the fear of abandonment. She says she wants to leave home... .  but the thought of it makes her cry because if she left home without her daddy's approval he will never talk to her. She knows she has been emotionally, verbally, sexually abused at home. But she defends them like a mother would defend her baby. She complains she feels empty, bored, lonely. Her actions are impulsive. She has separation anxiety, nightmares most nights, and she barely sleeps. She says she needs nurturing and caring from her parents (like a child), she doesn't know who she is or what she likes or dislikes. Her parents have made decisions for her all her life, and that has been her identity. A dozen times she has said she cannot marry someone to please society or family. She cannot marry someone if she loves someone else. And a hundred times she has said what her society thinks of her matters the most to her (seeking validation?). And now this frantic effort to get married, I don't know who is being crazy. Me or her... .  
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 02:14:54 PM »

Hi Elessar,

My intro post was a three-parter like yours! I know how you're feeling, its the worst. I'm in a similar boat - ish - my exgf is gay but deeply closeted so when we broke up it was always because her family couldn't ever find out about her being gay, or us. So yeah, a little similar  Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)

It's so so confusing, because even now I wonder if it's BPD, or if its just a fear to come out. Like your ex, mine used what seems like a legitimate excuse to not be in a relationship with me. Her behaviour... wanting to spend the rest of her life with me one minute then vanished in to thin air literally the next day was so cruel, and confusing... a real what the   moment!

BUT... .  

From the way you've described her, she does sound like she has a lot of traits! I cant believe how many times she's blown hot and cold. I can't say for sure that she's BPD, but I can say that she sounds pretty unhealthy. Your story reminded me very much of mine... .  I too heard the "I'll never leave you"'s. Whatever her diagnosis, her behaviour isn't normal or healthy and it's awful that you're being put through the mill like this, waiting for her.

How are you coping? Good for you maintaining NC... .  use this time as yours to heal and give you the love and kindness you've been giving her.  

Glad you've found this place, it's a great supportive community here, and we're ready to support you in any way.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 02:34:29 PM »

Hello Elessar and  Welcome

I don't know if she has BPD or not, but I will relate the behavior you describe of your loved one to BPD, as I understand it, and perhaps this will help you make your determination.

... .  She knew I liked her, but would reject me and push me away every evening. Yet next day would come back to talk to me. The reason for the pushing away was because of our different faiths. Her family is strict Muslim and she cannot be with a non-Muslim man.

Maybe her push/pull behavior is related to the conflict of her personal desires with her religious and cultural background.  But for people with BPD (pwBPD), they push/pull because of their internal dynamic of fear of engulfment/abandonment.  For pwBPD, when they need you (ie., when they idealize you) they will pull you close to them.  But for pwBPD, feelings of intimacy trigger their fear of abandonment (sometimes this is described as fear of engulfment); and as I understand it, as they feel closer to you, they then fear that you will abandon them (even if it is only imagined - also leading to devaluation), and the best way to avoid abandonment is to abandon first, thus they push you away.  They leave you first in order to prevent you from leaving them.  Because when they abandon you, they have avoided being abandoned.  Fear of abandonment is not the fear of being alone, it is the fear of being left (first).

... .  3 more months later she confessed that she had been sexually abused as a child for 3 years by five of her uncles. She said the secret for 10 years had been killing her and she was near suicidal.

Perhaps she was abused as a child.  But you must also consider the possibility that she has imagined these events just as she had fabricated some of the negative things she has said of you.  When she idealized you, she devalued someone else that was important to her.  When she devalues you, she idealizes someone else.

Over the next few months we had the most intense and romantic relationship. Even though she is from a culture where virginity is held dearer than life, we had physical relations after she gave hints that she wanted to. A week after graduation, she called me and broke up because half her family found out about me and they are blackmailing her that if she doesnt break up, they will tell her father after which God knows what will happen.

I don't pretend to be familiar with the muslim religion or culture, but I find it difficult to believe that her family would have a bigger issue with a family outsider consorting with their daughter over a familial sexual abuse/incest. I am incline to suspect that the situation is actually far more complicated.

A few months later she contacted me to tell me never to contact her and that she was disgusted by our relationship. A month later she wanted to meet her at her dental school for closure. And then she disappeared for 4 years till late 2010. Till then, it seemed as if this is a normal story of heartbreak due to parents.

So during this time, I suspect that someone else was idealized, while she continued to devalue you.

About 2.5 years back she contacted me as someone else (as a coworker of her)... .  would flirt a little, tell me that I should contact my ex, that my ex misses me. I refused and then she contacted me as herself and wanted to meet me. She said she wanted one last meeting before her parents find a husband for her.

This bit of behavior should give you some insight into her willingness to take initiative when she wants to (i.e., when she needs something from you).  She was willing to manipulate you by pretending to be someone else to get you to do something you didn't want to do.  Also, this was the only time you mentioned that her family was trying to arrange a marriage for her: was this a completely made up lie?

When we did meet, she did not seem like the strong-willed, confident girl I had known before. She cried on my shoulder, kissed me, but left.

Another aspect of BPD you should consider is that for pwBPD, their identities, their personality is not so fixed as it is in non-disordered people.  She will be whomever she needs to be, in order to get what she needs from you.  So she will be a strong-willed, confident girl in order to seduce if that is what works in one instance.  But she can also then be helpless and a "waif" in another instance, if that is what it takes.  

Two months later late one night... .  the intense BPD relationship began. She was having problems with her parents and I believe she had split them black. So she came to me for comfort. She wanted to meet me at her hospital where residents stayed overnight... .  and on our first meeting she had a panic attack and asked me to spend the night with her. We had sex and for the next month she would ask for the same, whether it was a weekend or weekday. We also had pretty romantic dates and moments together.

Why was she in the hospital?  What problems was she having with her parents?  Here is my guess: while she was committed in the hospital she was dealing with her disordered fear that her *parents* might abandon her; perhaps she was afraid that they would commit her to a mental health facility, perhaps she was afraid they are trying to marry her off so she would be someone else's problem.  Whatever it may be.  She turn to you to *avoid* that abandonment.  Because if she no longer depended on her parents, then they could not "abandon" her.  So she devalued her parents, and idealized you.  She ran to you to avoid being abandon by her family.

But since she is still living at home, it had to be in secret or in her hospital sleeping room. After a month later I started noticing the craziness. Her expectations were so unrealistic that my female coworkers said she has either never been in a relationship or watches too many movies. She had also started to blow up in rage over things I didn't understand. On any instance I could her hero or her villain. She was pretty suicidal and that scared the crap out of me. I will have to leave stuff and go take care of her. She would get panic attacks and separation anxiety when I had to go out of town for graduate school interviews. I never realized the fear of abandonment at that point.

It is only at this point did you feel the full weight of her disorder, because it was only at this point was she fully committed to you, perhaps in the same way that she had been "committed" to her family previously.  I have no doubt that the experience you had with her in this instance, is more or less what her family has to deal with daily. Only what might have been confusing to them is that while she was "with" you she was no longer behaving is such an obviously disordered way *to them*.  But *to you* you only now started to see the full breadth of her disorder.

When she told her mother about her use, her mother's reaction was to ask "are you a virgin" and her sister's reaction was "you are selfish for wanting to expose your uncles". The emotional and verbal abuse she has received and continues to receive at home is out of the chart. That is what which drives her crazy, yet she defends them like hell if I say a word about her family.

Certainly the behavior of her family does not improve upon her mental health.  But I think it is difficult for you to discern her dysfunctional behavior as she uses her family's dysfunctional behavior as a smoke screen.  I have no doubt the situation is more complicated.

She told me we have to get married the next day and she should come with me to the new city I was moving to for graduate school in 5 days. For the previous 7 months she had said she won't act in haste and won't do anything like this. When I reminded her that, she broke up again saying I abandoned her (I thought she had already broken up a few days earlier). Till today she holds on to the fact that I left her.

Her behavior changed because her needs changed.  She *needed* you to marry her immediately because now that she was committed to you, she had much more of her disordered fear of abandonment to contend with.  She believed that if you married her, then that would "prove" you had no intention to abandon her.  She is unable or unwilling to consider that her fear of abandonment is disordered in nature.  

She will always hold on to the notion that "everyone" abandons her because that is the nature of her disorder (i.e. disordered fear of abandonment)

Of course logic and reason never worked.

You cannot cure mental illness with logic and reason.

Over the couple of months she said we aren't together because my mother isn't treating her as a daughter-in-law (made no logical sense), or I abandoned her, or I never proposed to her (I had been asking her to marry me since college).

You see, this is her disorder telling her that you abandon her.  So *feels* it in her bones.  And the feelings are so strong that her perception of reality will gave way to her feelings.  She will try to *rationalize* her disordered feelings.

The reason we weren't together was always my fault, never herself or her father.

Of course they are always everyone else's fault, and they will continue to be in her mind until she becomes willing and able to consider that she has a problem.

She told me I was just like her uncles who would take her to a room and rape her. I knew her past would make her feel it that way, but just like the abandonment accusation, she has never taken that accusation back. Her excuse has always been "thats how I felt then".

She told you that you were "just like her uncles" which would make me wonder just what I could believe was true about what she said of her uncles.

She would ignore for a few months, then would get drunk and ask me to save her. She cannot be with another man and cannot let another man touch her. I told her I will bring a ring and then the final choice is yours. I went home 4 days later and she blew up on me because I didn't have a ring (I never thought she would expect one in 4 days... .  I was going to propose in a month once I had arranged the money to buy one). She said she is so angry she wants to slap me. I said if it will make you feel better, do it. And she actually slapped me twice in public... .  but that still didn't calm her. She said I could have asked her to marry me without a ring (which I have like a million times!). Then she came up with new excuses as to why we are not together... .  I never showed her a ring. If I had ever showed her one, she would have left home and accepted me. I never showed her commitment. I couldn't believe she took my idea of the ring and turn it around to blame me!

Here's the thing: there is nothing you can do that will change how she feels because how she feels is more of a function of her disorder than it is of any of your behavior.  In essence, she is asking you to behave in a way that would cure her of her disorder.  But you cannot.  Only she can do anything for herself in order to recover from her disorder.

A few weeks later I made a website, recorded a video, and proposed to her via website. I was going home in 4 days to do it in person. Once I did it online, she had no excuse to blame me anymore. Then she started changing her story as to how she doesn't know if she has an answer and maybe I should't propose to her. But I did, she didn't answer.

Her feelings determine her perception of reality, not reality.  Her stories will always "change" in order to fit her feelings, especially her disordered feelings.

She herself saw that she matched all 9 criteria of BPD! She started going to a therapist... .  who got overwhelmed by her story. And in the first or second meeting that day lady said "you seem fine, there is nothing wrong with you". I felt I was crazy.

Here is another "thing" many of the disordered feelings that pwBPD deal with only manifest in one context: the context of intimacy and family.  When she is talking to her therapist, who is to her a complete stranger, she experiences none of her disordered feelings -- so as far as the therapist can see, nothing is wrong with her.  

Couple of weeks into therapy I went with her, and the first question I was asked was "tell me about your gambling problem". I had no idea what was going on.

Moreover, her memory of her previous disordered feelings/behaviors will be altered in a way her disordered mind can accept.  And what she is willing/able to accept is that everyone else (i.e., you) has a problem.  I suspect that she had *projected* all of her disordered feelings/behavior onto you.  So in essence, her time with this therapist was spent dumping on you.

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 02:54:10 PM »

Around this time she promised again that she will never leave me because it is in the end her life, her choice, her decision. Except three days later "if you don't do what my father wants, then you do not respect him". I was sorta done with this. Over next couple of months we had some contact, but kept distance or no contact. Last september she again contacts me... .  about how she finds it hard to hate or to be hated by someone she loves. she can at least keep her friend (me). Few hours later I find out she had another huge fight at home... .  and she decided to visit me later that month. Then it gets very grey, she tells me she loves me, but tells me since we can't be together, as we just friends with benefits. She reminds me how I haven't called her beautiful or told her I love you in a while. Then she tells me why haven't I met her when I go home. This happened over a couple of months. Last November one night I told her I love you, and she said if I do that again "I will walk away without a word and you will again be asking 'why'". We went on a date during thanksgiving, we kissed, later that night she got an angry call from home, and she exploded on me saying how dare I not respect her space. She does not want a relationship and I shouldn't have kissed her. Then she goes off again for a month. A week before Christmas she gets drunk, calls and tells me she loves me.

I think it is safe to say, that she expresses her "love" for you only when she needs you.  But the minute she starts needing you, her disorder kicks in and she then blames you for her disordered feelings.

We meet up, she kisses me. (And I am thinking how hypocritical she is).

So long as you continue to expect her feelings to become more constant, you will only find more occasion to think she is hypocritical.  The truth, however, is that she is mentally ill.

I did not know we had a fight till two days later I read on her coworkers facebook page about her date and how she found a keeper who is tall, dark, handsome with a new 2013 Audi. My ex never shares her private life, ever. Except now she was telling anyone who would listen. One of her common friends found out she went on her date the evening after our fight. So she went online, made a profile on a matrimonial site, and I don't know what she has been doing for last 5 weeks. I was talking to her friend and my ex comes online to curse me out as to how I blew up on her and her parents (I was defending her!), how she has broken up with me a long time back and I cannot accept it, she has been over me for a very long time, I do not want her to be happy etc etc. Thats the last I have heard from her... .  32 days back.

And so she has found someone else to idealize, now.  And she devalues you.  Beware that she may continue her distortion campaign and accuse you of something more than just abandoning her.  With this new fellow, she will most like repeat her intense and unstable pattern of idealization/devaluation.

Because me and that girl are the only two people in the world who will tell her truth, unlike her coworkers who are actually her assistants who will say anything their boss (my ex) wants to hear.

As you are already aware, her "truth" is subject to change.

So am I crazy, or is she a high functioning BPD?

To me, she sounds like a high function pwBPD.

There lies the fear of abandonment. She says she wants to leave home... .  but the thought of it makes her cry because if she left home without her daddy's approval he will never talk to her.

Perhaps her father has always tried to control her by using the threat of abandonment as a means.  But look how effective his "control" is.

She knows she has been emotionally, verbally, sexually abused at home. But she defends them like a mother would defend her baby.

It does not matter if her abuse is real or imagined, she will still shift between idealization and devaluation.

You are in the right place.

Best wishes, Schwing
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 10:32:33 PM »

Elassar,

I'm sure it's hurtul to go through that. I've read what patience and love you feel for her. And only a man with that love or patience would be willing to take more of that behavior from a woman.

But are you prepared to spend a lifetime devoting yourself to a woman who gives torment in return for love and patience? If heroic and nearly mythical proportions of love and patience could heal her, it would be worth the effort. But read the posts here. We can't heal their illness with love and patience. I respect what you are trying to do. But do it with your eyes open. She is mentally ill.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 08:02:22 PM »

@Seb,

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for my delayed reply. I had spent most of last 28 hours in bed! I think with time I am just feeling worse. I shouldn't be surprised, but the new thing she did this time around (going on matrimonial website the very next day after a fight and silent treatment since then) has me pretty down. So what happened with your exgf? Did she ever come out and tell her parents?

@schwing

actually, even during our "honeymoon phase" the second time around (two years back)... .  nearly every day or every other day she used to say I will leave her. and many times she had said she has to leave me before I left her. I had not known about BPD then so I never understood her behavior.

And her sexual abuse has been true. Her elder sister was sexually abused by the same men too. Eventually her father called his brothers to confront them on phone and they admitted after some denial. But after a few months her family is now normal with those men... .  which makes me sick. As far as her culture is concerned, nearly everyone agrees that "honor" is far more important than life itself. One of the reasons her family is maintaining normal relations with those men is so that no one knows there is something bad in the family. Her married sister has never divulged her secret to her husband. In the society they are living, most men will not marry you if they know you are not a virgin. So I am wondering if my ex will ever tell about me to anyone she is going out with or will hide me for the rest of her life... .  

Oh and she was in a hospital because she was doing her residency as a dentist at that hospital. Since dentists have to be on 24 hour calls too, they have a room where can sleep in at night and get paged so they can attend to emergencies right away. thank you for your detailed reply though. I truly appreciate it!

@waitaminute

Yes I love her. I loved her before I ever experienced this crazy behavior. I honestly do not believe she was BPD while in high school or college. Therefore when I fell for her, she was neither this needy or emotional person who needed to be saved. But since she is mentally ill, I cannot be with her the way she is. I have accepted that. Do I still want to be with her? Absolutely. But only if someday she goes for treatment. I never brought up to her that she is crazy. It was she who first told me she needs to see psychiatrist. It was only a year back when I started googling her symptoms and came across BPD and last summer she acknowledged it... .  but only for a few weeks. So she knows. She is intelligent. But she is stubborn like hell. And her entire life's actions has been to "prove someone wrong". Right now I believe it is to show me that she doesn't need me or there is nothing wrong with her. I cannot heal her. I have to take care of myself. I cannot let her abuse me. Whether it was the only date she went on, or she has been doing it for last 5 weeks... .  I don't know. But once she did that, she broke me worse than ever before. If she contacts me, i will be civil. If she needs help, I will point her to go get professional help. I don't know what I am doing next. I am not going to be the one to jump into relationship when I am not ready. And since this girl has been my first and only love since I was a teenager, it will take a while. But thank you so much for seeing the patience and love with which I have dealt with her.

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