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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: March 24, 2013, 06:45:20 PM »

After 12 months my protection order is about to run out and he kindly reminded me of that fact... . Last week I got a letter from his sollicitor infoming me: a.  he is asking me to reconsider my decision to ask for divorce and would like to go to mediation

                      b. Since my protection order is now over he would like to meet me but as a "gesture of good will" would be ready to meet me in a    public place.

My sollicitor advised me to ignore the request and file for divorce instead which I did... .

Am I over reacting or is he up to something ? I am trying not o panick and continue life as if everything was normal (Though I have a spare key of a friend's house he doesn't know just in case... . ) but I can sense the tension in myself, Our children know I have now filed for divorce and my S 15 is aware that his father is not accepting it yet which came as a suprise to him as aparantely my x has been quiet outspoken about the fact that he is now glad we are not together anymore. What is going on? Is it just part of the control and should I just ignore it instead of trying to prepare my son for mind games I am convinced my x will now play with our S?
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2013, 07:06:28 PM »

My sense is that it is part of the disorder to be erratic like this, and your solicitor is giving you good advice. Good for you that you followed through and filed for divorce. People here always say it helps to have goals and a plan, to help weather the disorder and all that comes with it.

About the mind games your ex will play with your son -- have you read Divorce Poison by Richard Warshak? It's highly recommended here on the Family board for those of us who have kids. One of the things that tends to happen among people here is that their spouse engages in parental alienation, and Warshak explains not only what that is, but how the disordered spouse does it, plus techniques on how to deal with it so that your child doesn't turn against you.

Less recommended, but in my opinion equally helpful is Don't Alienate the Kids by Bill Eddy. I like it because it reminds you that your child only has one stable parent and it's you, so it's important to model the kind of behavior you want your child to have when confronting high conflict behaviors. I used to react with a lot of anxiety and/or fear to N/BPDx and realized that S11 was doing the same thing. So I changed my behavior as a way to help S11, and it has made a huge difference, not just for my son, but for me.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 05:56:27 PM »

Thanks for answering. I do try not to project my anxiety to the children but struggle at times. How do you tell your children they can't open the door to their father if he calls round unannounced ( He has talked about voices telling him to kill our son but is now not suffering from psychosis anymore... . )

I have read about parent alienation but I don' think that my STBX had tried his best in this area as he was probably convinced we'd get back together once I'd calm down. What he didn't realise is that I would finally understand all the abuse I had suffered for the last 20 years and find the strength to move on.

Alienation is a difficult topic I find as I have found myself having to be quiet frank with the children as to what their father can be like as I ffel that is the only way they can make sense of the situation.Why pretend he is a nice and caring father when he is not. I obviously didn't use these words but still... .
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2013, 07:07:48 PM »

My stbx is trying to get back together with me too.  I actually considered it, which made it worse when I realized he wasn't going to change and I continued with the divorce.  He sends me sweet emails but then goes to his attorney and comes up with lies.  So, just stay firm.
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2013, 07:58:29 PM »

I think what you say to the children depends largely on their ages. 

  For instance, our children were nearly grown.  They were terribly confused at first, as I had always backed my H up and insisted that they respect him.  During the year prior to the breakup, he had become more and more antagonistic, drank more, blamed and raged more, etc.  I have had many talks with the children since then regarding their father, especially since I found out what was wrong with him.  My son, in particular, asks questions that lead me to think he is trying to understand his father's disorders.  I try to point out the positive and true as well as giving answer to any smears on his part.

  I am certain that your children are very intelligent. I would give age-appropriate information to them.  After all, they will be dealing with this man all of their lives.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2013, 08:36:08 PM »

Thanks for answering. I do try not to project my anxiety to the children but struggle at times. How do you tell your children they can't open the door to their father if he calls round unannounced ( He has talked about voices telling him to kill our son but is now not suffering from psychosis anymore... . )

I have read about parent alienation but I don' think that my STBX had tried his best in this area as he was probably convinced we'd get back together once I'd calm down. What he didn't realise is that I would finally understand all the abuse I had suffered for the last 20 years and find the strength to move on.

Alienation is a difficult topic I find as I have found myself having to be quiet frank with the children as to what their father can be like as I ffel that is the only way they can make sense of the situation.Why pretend he is a nice and caring father when he is not. I obviously didn't use these words but still... .

What I did with S11 is make it safe for him to talk to me -- I validate validate validate (Power of Validation is an excellent book, can't recommend it enough for parents who have kids with BPD exes. That makes him feel safe, and it has also helped him develop a core sense of who he is, even when he is struggling with very difficult feelings and situations. When he has mentioned stuff his dad says, I ask him, "What do you believe?" or "How do you feel about that?" That way he isn't in the middle. It's now at the point where he will say what he thinks or feels, and then maybe ask me what I think/feel/believe. A few times I have answered that there are parts of the story that are true, but the whole is not. And I will try to guide him back to his instincts and intuition, giving him positive feedback for using his own perception to work this stuff out.

Because N/BPDxh had a psychotic episode when S11 was with him, we have *An Event* that made it necessary for us to talk openly about N/BPDx's mental stability. But we only referred to it around the time it was happening. Nowadays, with the conflict down to medium high, we never talk about it. One time N/BPDx showed up at my church right before S11 was about to perform in the pageant. I could see S11 tensing so much it broke my heart. I just focused on his feelings, and tried to find a way for him to learn how to navigate this stuff. So I said, "I was surprised to see N/BPDx here, and it made me feel uncomfortable at first. But I plan to sit over there and enjoy the show. Daddy will sit over here and enjoy the show too. When it's break, if you want to say hi to him that's ok with me because I get to see you all the time. I'll be in the annex after the show when you're ready."

My T calls it a loyalty bind when kids don't know who to show their love to, and that it's good to let kids know that not everyone feels confident in their relationships, and sometimes people feel like you have to take sides. I told S11 that N/BPDx seems to hurt so bad that he can't help doing that, and that S11 will learn over time how he wants to handle that. I've also told him that I found N/BPDx to be a very challenging and difficult person, and that sometimes I felt very confused, and that it's ok if he doesn't always feel assertive with his dad. He was coming home feeling very guilty, and I think he was worried that he was not standing up for me, and that he was saying things to side with N/BPDx because the alternative (standing up for me) would make N/BPDx angry.

It's so tough. It takes a lot of effort, and not therapy isn't enough. As the stable parents, we have to parent our kids at the deepest emotional and psychological level so they don't repeat these patterns.

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