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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: June 10, 2013, 09:48:40 AM »

Hello everyone,

I have been on bpdfamily for some months now. Some of you have read my posts about how my exBPD have been in the final stages of cutting me completely out of her life for the past 6 months.

Well... .

After having heard very little from her for 5 months about a month ago all of a sudden she starts contacting me again. Her phone calls and attention quickly gains momentum and all of a sudden it is like in the old days where we spend every waking hour together and talk for 6-8 hours on the phone. In between there ARE alot of danger signals: Sometimes she becomes deadly silent just sitting and exuding hate towards me. I have to leave her several times because she is just kind of frozen in hate towards me - wont say a thing. And when I ask: Are you sitting right now and hating me? She just says nothing - but of course she is hating me!

But it is like she is alternating wildly between splitting me white and black. I get a tons of "I love you" followed by ":)on´t leave me" etc etc. She has never said ":)ont leave me before"... . and yes... . we end up having sex... . several times a day... . steaming sex... . She talks about how we are going to start up a relationship together... . and at first I tell her to finish her therapy and that she is not ready for a relationship... . she pushes and pushes for a week about this and finally I sit down and write a long list of things and demands she has to live up to if I want to think about a relationship with her... . she promises me she is working hard on herself and that she will move in with me etc etc.

Then a few days later I get a message that now she has quit her therapy - that she will never go back... . hmmm... . after much talking and persuasion from my side she finally agrees to go back to therapy... .

Now you would think this sounds like a happy ending, right? Wrong!

In the days after she has agreed to start up therapy she gets increasingly hostile towards me, pulls more and more back, answers short text messages, passive agressive, deflects when I talk about the promises she made me about our relationship and denies me sex... .

Then after a couple of days of this I get the all too well known (by now) phone call: Her voice is completely devoid of emotion, she sounds cold and calculated and vicious... . she starts by snarling at me and telling me to shut up!... . that there can be no relationship that she has never had those emotions for me... . and she tells me in the coldest voice possible that she only lied about being in love me because she was feeling bad for the last 3 weeks and she needed a little love from someone... . "Anybody would have done" was her exact words!

She tells me this is how she always does things... . that she blatantly just used me and that now that she has her therapy again she will cut me off... . she can´t spend anymore time with me... . she must now focus on her own life... . she will not tell me about anything happening in the therapy and I might as well get used to not having her in my life... . because things "change" like she said verbatim... .

All this a mere 7 days after we had steaming sex and she told me multiple times a day how much she loved me and that I was everything... . Now the hater is clearly back and I´m getting the same old record that has playing the last 5 months before this 1 month of bliss: You are not a priority anymore, I have my therapy, I have my new friends, I have to move on with my life.


Oh, god... .

And yes, guys I know it´s my own damn fault. You all advised mo dump her and cut all contact. And I do think I have learnt my lesson this time. Never again. I am preparing myself to split her black so to speak. I am trying to brainwash myself into believing she never existed. Someone like her... . someone who does these things... . she doesn´t even deserve to be a memory in my brain.

But I just wanted to say... . she gives the word treachery a whole new meaning... . think about that for the last 5 months she used her therapy as an excuse to cut me off... . the therapy I had gotten her in and the therapy which is her only hope for a life. I was the one who told her she had BPD as well.

Then after having "paid" me with this 5 month treachery she finally melts down and quits therapy. And who saves her again? Right, me... . I persuade her to stay in therapy and so once more save her butt. And what is the price? The utmost treachery... . again using the therapy as an excuse to cut me off.

Words cannot describe what I feel about this situation right now. But I´m done. She will never do this to me again.

The only thought I have left... . which can somehow make it hard for me to let entirely go is this: IF I had known she had quit therapy and thus would never change I could cut her off knowing she would forever be the crazy person she is. But now in the back of mind the nasty thought is playing: What IF she cuts me off completely now and actually gets better with therapy and gets a perfect life?

Honestly I don´t think she deserves this... . not after what she has done... .

You guys are right... . NC is the only option from now on... .

Shame on me... .

Shame on me... .
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2013, 09:59:18 AM »

Oh yes, I also forgot to say that I gave har alot of advice this last month and ugly truths about herself that she can now work with in the therapy to achieve better interpersonal skills. The things I said I had to say if she was going to be in a relationship with me. I know they would never say those things in therapy because they don´t have the guts and they have to keep the pwBPD in therapy and not have them running away screaming in meltdown over being confronted with themself.

So cheers to the clown (me): Telling her basically how she can make a relationship work and be successful and getting her back in therapy - only to be paid with treachery and splitting black and the emerging hater as a thanks.

Man... . just man  
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2013, 11:24:03 AM »

Don't beat yourself up too badly.Alot never walk away "cold turkey".

You've learned a great deal about BPD by doing this.This will be a big help to you in the future.Use this new knowledge to help others going through the same as you did.

You went through the same dance,just a little quicker this time.You can see it clearly I assume?
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2013, 01:37:41 PM »

You went through a recycle. No big deal. We all have done it and we all get up from the table when we're full.  Forgive yourself and learn how to create boundaries with this woman because I suspect it ain't over until you make the decision to close that door for good.

As for helping her... . I don't necessarily think you catapulted her into healing making her perfect for the next man... . I think that's your fantasy thinking working in overdrive.  Smiling (click to insert in post). She's really sick and she has a loong way to go before the slightest thing doesn't trigger her BPD.

That's not exactly how therapy works with BPD. Recovery and learning how to live with the disorder of BPD is TOUGH WORK. It's years and years of intensive work that requires introspection, culpability, the owning of shame, and having a true core desire to heal. Quitting therapy is exactly what most do because that mirror is hella unattractive. Our mirrors are pretty filthy too but imagine your worse shame and multiply it by a thousand and that's what they live with daily.

I made love to my ex in a sweet recycle where he told me we should make a baby and live happily ever after... . for a couple of hours it was so romantic and destiny filled... . then he raged at me with the heat of a thousand suns and cheated with a throwaway fling a couple of days later. I was devastated but who he was became the REAL DEAL.

I had to cut the cord for good... .
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2013, 03:00:50 PM »

You went through a recycle. No big deal. We all have done it and we all get up from the table when we're full.  Forgive yourself and learn how to create boundaries with this woman because I suspect it ain't over until you make the decision to close that door for good.

As for helping her... . I don't necessarily think you catapulted her into healing making her perfect for the next man... . I think that's your fantasy thinking working in overdrive.  Smiling (click to insert in post). She's really sick and she has a loong way to go before the slightest thing doesn't trigger her BPD.

That's not exactly how therapy works with BPD. Recovery and learning how to live with the disorder of BPD is TOUGH WORK. It's years and years of intensive work that requires introspection, culpability, the owning of shame, and having a true core desire to heal. Quitting therapy is exactly what most do because that mirror is hella unattractive. Our mirrors are pretty filthy too but imagine your worse shame and multiply it by a thousand and that's what they live with daily.

I made love to my ex in a sweet recycle where he told me we should make a baby and live happily ever after... . for a couple of hours it was so romantic and destiny filled... . then he raged at me with the heat of a thousand suns and cheated with a throwaway fling a couple of days later. I was devastated but who he was became the REAL DEAL.

I had to cut the cord for good... .

Thanks for your answer. It helped me alot.

When she told me she had quit therapy it was obvious that she had split both the therapist, the group and the therapy itself black. She ranted on an on about how she hated them all, that they didn´t understand her and that her therapist could go to hell. She had even written him a letter where she told him how awful he wasd and how awful the therapy was and that he should never contact her again.

She told me probably 20 times that it was over that the therapy and the group would never ever never come back into her life. No one could ever get her back. Not even drag her to the therapy by force. That was her verbatim words.

Stupid stupid me I told her I thought she was splitting them all black. And that they only wanted to help her and that in reality she was afraid of facing her own ugly behaviour. I told her the reason she hated the group was that they had alot of the same bad behaviour as she has and that was what she didn´t like facing.

After two days of me trying to explain this to her she finally capitulated and admitted I was entirely right. She said in fact she loved the group and that they were only trying to help. And that she had to learn how to trust people.

Then she pulled back from he hard and gave me the ugly phone call I described above. She also sent me one short message (as to taunt me) where she said: From now on it will all be very hard work going forward.

And today she had a meeting with her therapist where she had made a long list of things she wants to work with. The last time we talked (where she was cold and vicious) I asked her if she would tell me what was on that list. So that I could support her and just out of genuine interest in her life and therapy. She said no she would never tell me anything and now the therapy was off limits for me (she said the same thing 5 months ago when she split me black last time)! This she said after 3 weeks where she told me everything, intimate details of her past I didn´t even know until now.

My point is this: She really sounds like she has realized a couple of things and is determined to work on her BPD... . BUT she is again using the therapy and the therapist as an excuse to cut me out of her life.

How sick is it that the very thing that should strengthen our bond and make it possible for her to treat me better she is using for the exact opposite effect?

I know this sounds harsh but in the light of this ugly truth now of course I wish that I hadn´t talked her back into therapy. I should never have talked her into therapy in the first place. Or told her she had BPD. At that time she had already done things to me that warranted a complete and irreversible kicking to the curb.

She does not deserve my help or concern. And she will never get it again. I´m sorry for having these thoughts but I´m only human. No words can describe the horror this person is subjecting me to through her actions. And god knows how many more innocent men she is doing ugly things to and stringing along right now. Even when I help her she turns it against me.

Now the therapy group and the therapist are her white knights once again and I am the evil one. It´s like she can´t have both things at the same time... . be happy with the therapy and be happy with me... .

One of you posters said to me some months ago the last time she split me black that what was happening was the was splitting the therapy white and me black... . and I gotta say... . this poster was absolutely right... . I can see it´s happening again now... .

BUT... . if she prevails now and gets her act together... . then I can sit back and know I played a significant part in giving her the keys... . while she ___ all over me in return... . I´m sure her biggest dream is to call me in 3 years and tell me how fantastic her life is, perfect with dream job, dream man and show me all of the proof on FB and then rub it in my nose... .

But yeah, I´m not taking her bait anymore. I must cut the cord like you did. Thx for your answer.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2013, 03:25:21 PM »

I know this sounds harsh but in the light of this ugly truth now of course I wish that I hadn´t talked her back into therapy. I should never have talked her into therapy in the first place. Or told her she had BPD. At that time she had already done things to me that warranted a complete and irreversible kicking to the curb.

She does not deserve my help or concern. And she will never get it again. I´m sorry for having these thoughts but I´m only human. No words can describe the horror this person is subjecting me to through her actions. And god knows how many more innocent men she is doing ugly things to and stringing along right now. Even when I help her she turns it against me.
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Perhaps you should acknowledge that you have been kicked to the curb and that she has turned against you... . and act accordingly!  You are jumping right into the fire yourself, and not really helping her in the process.  Please do not fool yourself that you are that essential to her, or anyone else's, health.  You have been loving and kind to offer direction, but you undermine the effort by accepting such abuse from her.  It is bad for both of you.

And, it is a fantasy, and a painful on at that, to think that she will get magically healthy and live happily ever after with some new guy while implementing all she learned from you and therapy.  If only it were that easy!  It is a long and pain-filled road ahead for her.

I mock myself as I write this... . I did everything that I am suggesting you avoid.  Much easier said than done.  Oh, my.  It ain't easy. 
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