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« on: July 09, 2013, 09:53:36 PM »

I posted earlier about my uBPDGF and her perceived infidelity.  If you would like to hear the story, you may read it here:  https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=204863.0

I have decided to give her the benefit of the doubt, and try and trust what she says.  I will be much more aware of what she is saying and doing.  I do care for her deeply, and I will try and be an active member in these forums, along with reading "Stop Walking on Eggshells".  I'm also considering revisiting therapy myself to work on my tendencies to be the "Rescuer".

And on to my question regarding boundaries!

One of the biggest problems in our relationship is the distance.  We live 35M apart, door to door.  This does not seem much to me (I wonder what percentage of the population commute that distance or further daily), but it is nearly impossible for her.  We have been talking for close to 6 months now (romantic relationship for maybe 4), and she has come to my town once.  She tells a story, that once years ago, she came to my town alone to visit a friend.  On this visit, she was followed here and back, by an unknown person.  Now, she has severe anxiety, and is unable to make the drive (only to MY town).  I have attempted to problem solve with her by suggesting A).  I go and pick her up and bring her back or B).  We meet 1/2 way and then she follows me back.  She expressed interest in choice B at one time.  Another perceived hurdle for her is her dog.  She has a small 15pd dog and I have 2 dogs weighing over 60pds.  Both my dogs are well trained and well mannered (I am a behaviorist) and are regularly around smaller dogs.  I understand her fears and worries (her dog has had a scuffle with a Boxer in the past, and one of mine is a Boxer), and have tried suggestions on us introducing them, or even separating them for a visit.  I'm always met with opposition, and typically get a dismissive "I told you I don't know how to handle long distance" or something similar.

I've tried talking to her about this issue several times, and she agrees that it is a problem and is not helping our relationship move forward.  I explain that I don't feel like I'm a priority in her life, and I want a relationship where my SO is willing and capable to come visit me.  This is when she usually tries to deflect, and act like she has done so much.  She claims to be looking for a job in my town, attempting to get a personal loan for an apartment here, and having been rejected for a credit card.  I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than words, and I'm not sure if I believe these claims.

So, to my question regarding boundaries.  Is it acceptable for me to work out a plan between the 2 of us where we agree to seeing each other a set amount of times a week, and alternate with who comes to which town?  I want her to be part of this plan, but at the same time if she claims that she can't do it, I will have to say goodbye.  A basic personal need will not be met.

edit:  I've visited her on many occasions, and it is usually met with opposition.  She believes that it's not fair that I do all the driving (she is right), and is afraid that I will eventually throw it back in her face someday, cause that is how every other guy has treated her.  I don't really mind the drive, as long as I could tell the driving here problem was being worked on.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2013, 11:18:42 PM »

My thinking is that boundaries are statements about what you will and won't do and often go hand in hand with consequences. They aren't about controlling the other person and setting out what they will and won't do. A boundary would be something like "In a relationship, I want to spend regular face-to-face time with my partner. (rule/boundary) I cannot continue participate in a relationship where I do not spend face-to-face time with my partner each week.(consequence)".

You have said that her relationships with other men require a great deal of benefit of the doubt. She can't visit you because of a highly coincidental story about being followed years ago and because of your dogs. You visiting her is a problem because she feels bad and she worries you will blame her. When you observe her behaviour, does she look to you like someone who is genuinely participating in a relationship?


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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 07:20:07 PM »

Firstly with a pwBPD

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I have decided to give her the benefit of the doubt, and try and trust what she says

This can never be a given, and cannot be guaranteed. It is more allowing yourself to accept what she says rather than outright trust. The difference is that importance shouldn't hinge on it being the absolute untwisted truth. What a pwBPD says is just a vehicle for expressing what they feel and obtainiing what they want, absence of absolute truth and honesty is a core problem with BPD.

To survive a BPD relationship you need to come to terms with the reality that what you hear is not absolute.

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I want a relationship where my SO is willing and capable to come visit me.

To obtain this you will have to decide what you want to do, rather than attempting to persuade (control) what she does. She will make up every excuse in the world to get you to make all the effort if she can. Dont engage in this. You say this is what you are going to do. Leave it at that if she wants to see you more she is quite capable of determining whether she is going to make the effort or not. As long as you are "negotiating" solutions she wil just keep throwing up excuses.

I found life a lot easier when I dont put my partner in a position were she is pressured into coming up with reasons, setting myself up to be told a lie if you like. If you do this eventually you wont even believe them if they are telling the truth. I believe what I see or hear for myself, all else is just interesting, neither believing nor disbelieving, dont get bogged in the details

This the beginning of the RS, she will make more effort now than later, so be careful about "giving" too much, as it will slide into the expectation that you will always compromise

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I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than word

This is true but words do create a good smoke screen, and if if sling enough mud some of it will stick, and you will believe some of it. This is one of the reasons you stay away from negotiations and asking for reasons. Stick to this is what "I" am going to do. It is up to her to add any extra contributions, you cannot extract them from her.

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So, to my question regarding boundaries.  Is it acceptable for me to work out a plan between the 2 of us where we agree to seeing each other a set amount of times a week, and alternate with who comes to which town?  I want her to be part of this plan, but at the same time if she claims that she can't do it, I will have to say goodbye.  A basic personal need will not be met.

Your boundary is to say how often you are willing to visit and leave it at that, if you cant deal with whatever input she makes then you end it isf that is how you feel. The idea is to take the "demand" part out of it, that implies controlling and will be met with instinctive stubbornness and then portraying you as bad.

Negotiated or pressured actions on her behalf will not be consistent, and are likely to be overridden down the track. If she has not desire to do this so wont in the long run. Sense of responsibility and fairness are often alien to a BPD mind

In short do as much as YOU are truly happy to do without reward.
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