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« on: September 30, 2013, 01:49:06 AM »

We have all been 'taking a break' from my BPD sister.  She has been begging for her kids back.  Therapists have been supporting the break as the rages were unending and taking a very intense toll on everyone in the family, including our elderly mother.  Her older child has been stopping in to see her once or twice a week, making sure she has food,  etc.  A failed attempt at a visit with her youngest child resulted in her being asked to leave.  Everyone else has been minimal or no contact, shaking in their shoes every time the phone rings.

a visit by her eldest today revealed an attempted suicide.  They are at the ER now.

I have a lot of confused feelings swirling around in my head, but part of me is am angry because I feel this is another manipulation.  I know that sounds cold but this situation is so awful, i think I have shut myself off emotionally from her to survive.

I know she is suffering and has been for a long time.  I have been trying to get her to get help for years to no avail.  She would just lash out at me even more harshly.  Then everything came out about her abusing her kids and I gave them sanctuary when they came to me and unloaded stories about the years of chaos and abuse they have endured.

Now this has happened.  
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 07:50:46 AM »

Hi stymied,

I'm sorry that you're going through this.  It's understandable that you're feeling different emotions at once. It could be that your sister is manipulating you, and it could also be that she is suffering and sees suicide as her only option. Either way, it sounds like this is painful for you. Is your sister receiving any treatment now that she's being hospitalized?

If I remember correctly, this is a tricky situation, as the kids are not living with your sister, and you've mentioned before that it's in the best interest of the kids to not live with her. It's very kind of you to be that sanctuary for them. How are they doing through this? How is her suicide attempt going to impact how you deal with her going forward?

Keep us posted... .and know that we're here for you. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2013, 01:30:39 PM »

as a grown up child of a BPD mother I can say that for the kids getting some unconditional love from you will be the best gift you can give them. They may not realise it now but I certainly look back with amazement when I think of other peoples kindness. I'm sorry about your sister but great for her ids to have you in their lives.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 01:32:48 PM »

Her message is that this is what we deserve for abandoning her.

I know she is suffering in the most profound way, but has no capacity to see her own role in how things have unfolded.  How much abuse are people supposed to withstand to ensure someone doesn't hurt themselves?  I suffer from an autoimmune disease and have been suffering a major setback from all the stress and fear, plus I have a young family of my own who needs me.  My own therapist advised me to step back and take care of myself which I have done.  I felt I had no choice.

I can only hope & pray that the people in the hospital lead her to the help she needs.  I have been consistent in my message that none of us in the family is equipped to manage this and that professional intervention is necessary.  But we couldn't get her to be honest or waver from her victim posture.  

As to how this will effect how I deal with her moving forward, I don't know.  I cannot save her.  She is like an addict and the support I offered only enabled her to continue her behavior so I had to stop, or suffer the consequences in my own life.  

And yes, her kids are living with me and another relative.  They haven't felt safe with her for a long time and have been trying to get their own heads together.

I have told her the goal is to reunite her family but she had to do her part, which she wasn't willing to do.

Again, one of my first questions when posting on this board was how do we protect ourselves while ensuring the BPD sufferer is properly supported.  It doesn't seem that there is an answer for this unless the pwBPD admits they need help and sees their own role.

Thanks for the support.  I am just so numb right now, I don't know what to do.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2013, 10:42:59 PM »

My own therapist advised me to step back and take care of myself which I have done.  I felt I had no choice.

[snip]... .

Again, one of my first questions when posting on this board was how do we protect ourselves while ensuring the BPD sufferer is properly supported.  It doesn't seem that there is an answer for this unless the pwBPD admits they need help and sees their own role.

[snip]... .

I don't know what to do.

Stymied,

This is an awful situation. I was in similar situations with a uBPD partner (who told me she might as well be dead as be with someone like me, and would kill herself if I left), with my uBPD/NPD mother (a martyr who wanted complete control and who hated being alone), and to a degree with my sister (who I now suspect of being a BPD, and who refused to care for herself unless she was getting regular infusions of attention).

And I recognize your dilemma; I believe I've been in that place, more or less. And I agree with your therapist, but I see in your words that you are conflicted about your right to care for yourself, when doing so appears to trigger things in your sister. It's a stark choice, and I'm here to tell you that not only do you need to make it and stick to it, but you can feel good about it eventually. Things are not what they appear to be, to us nons. We have our own blinders, our own part to play in the dance.

This quote from "Understanding The Borderline Mother" by Lawson made something go off inside my head, a little firecracker:

“The Queen's children must allow her the right to self-destruct while exerting their right to protect themselves.”

I believe this applies to any BPD, not just Queen Mothers. Some BPD people are so tormented that they prefer to leave: to die, to suicide. What makes the situation so horrible is that it's common also for them to indicate that they will do this unless you 'X'. (Do something that they want). But this X only leads to another X and to another X, and you will drown. It will kill you. So you have to say no. And here's the rub: when you say no, it triggers them and they feel awful. And this happens over and over.

What Lawson is saying is that there is no way around the Non disengaging and stopping this cycle. And once the Non disengages, the BPD person may self-destruct, but more importantly, she has a right to do that and it may seem to be the best choice for her. And you can't control that choice, or ensure it goes one way or the other. All you can do is disengage. And she may not self-destruct. Once she's out of the dance of re-triggering, it might actually be easier for her.

That was the thing I had to learn, that seemed so counter-intuitive. That my being there might be making it worse. That I had snowball's chance in hell of 'fixing it' and then going away. What I had to do was go away, and take my chances on what they could achieve once the triggering dance was interrupted. In the partner case, it seems to have been the best option; the ex seems to have done better. In the mother case, the other way: she gradually spiralled down, and I think at the end she chose to die. (The third, the sister, seems to have improved now that my mother has died, and I may not be forced to make the choice.)

I don't know if what I've said will help, but I believe I understand the situation you're in. It sounds like you're doing as much as one human being can do, and paradoxically it might be that you need to do less, not more; less relative to your sister anyway; and accept that doing less is the right thing to do.

And your ending, "I don't know what to do," shows that you may already believe this subconsciously; that it's just a matter of accepting it with your conscious mind.

(And if you haven't read "Understanding The Borderline Mother" I strongly recommend it. I don't think it matters that it's your sister rather than mother; how you interact with those BPD traits in your sister will probably be much the same.)

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2013, 04:07:38 AM »

'none of us in the family is equipped to manage this' its a simple statement but true and one I will remember. Prettyplease that's great advice.
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 01:47:20 PM »

i am going to print out prettyplease's reply and keep it handy.  it is so relevant and helpful. 

in particular:

“The Queen's children must allow her the right to self-destruct while exerting their right to protect themselves.”

the key is putting our own needs above and beyond those of anyone else--something i know i have not been trained to do.

i did check out understanding the borderline mother from the library and got through a lot of it, but handed it over to my sister's eldest child.  i agree it is helpful for anyone with pwBPD in their lives.

with gratitude.

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