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« on: December 09, 2013, 02:34:51 PM »

I have been reading posts anonymously for some time.  I keep reading about taking a time out.  I have tried this tactic many times with my wife, but she still tries to control it.  If I take a timeout she will put an arbitrary time limit on it like 5 minutes, then she will come wherever I am and "get" me.  get can mean drag me off the bed, pull my hair, take whatever I am doing out of my hand, etc.  I have tried locking the door she just tries to break it down.  When she wants a fight she will come pick it.  How does one take a timeout if their wife will not let them?
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2013, 03:53:31 PM »

Hi sparkiejd,

sounds like you are faced with severe emotional and physical abuse  . As you shared previously even the police got involved and you are afraid for your son.

You need really a safety and escape plan also taking into account the needs of your son. It may be worth posting on our legal board on how to handle the domestic violence from a legal perspective. As a man it is not as easy to deal with DV. Plan and resource your emergency plan. You may not need it but it is critical for you to have it in place. You need that peace of mind!

From a boundary perspective you are in a deep hole. She seems to be getting away with everything. The question is what is a strategy that has a chance to dig you out? To plot your individual course you got to have a firm grip on the fundamentals:


1) Abuse tends to escalate from emotional to physical. Stopping it earlier is less painful. There is a tendency to letting smaller abuse go when one is used to much bigger abuse. Not a good strategy. Now going straight to zero tolerance of abuse is not an option either as no sensitivity for what constitutes abuse exists and the change would overload the capacity of everyone to deal with just the change. But still it all starts with small abuse that has no consequence.

2) Intermittent re-enforcement. Random feedback is a disaster as it strengthens the neural pathways leading to stronger reties and it gets even harder to squash the abusive behavior. So it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to ACT CONSISTENTLY with respect to a newly established boundary. Serious boundaries should not be tried or experimented with but need true commitment.

3) First encounters with boundaries, particularly the very first ones are often accompanied with quite escalating extinction bursts i.e. escalating dysregulation and even more extreme behavior.

4) Boundaries need to be under your control. Which requires planning. Diligent planning matters as clean execution is less messy.

5) Boundaries need to be grounded in your values otherwise you won't have the guts to carry them through and accept the consequences that come with establishing boundaries. Basic boundaries may be physical safety for yourself etc... You know you have a right to be secure and that nobody is allowed to take away from you.

Other hints:

  - prepared SHORT validating phrases keep you from getting into JADE (justify, argue, defend and explain) mode. Read up on validation, invalidation and SET

  - boundaries can be practiced in real life: Shop, services, boss, co-workers etc. A little more focus on respect can be real positive in the long run in that area too. The advantage is that these folks typically are less extreme as our partners.

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If I take a timeout she will put an arbitrary time limit on it like 5 minutes, then she will come wherever I am and "get" me.

Sounds like 5 min are not enough for her to cool down. I would see 30min as an absolute minimum and maybe 2-3 hours minimum her getting physical. She needs to come down and basic rational thinking needs to have started.

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I have tried locking the door she just tries to break it down. 

Did you lock it? Did she get in? What happend?

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 03:58:35 PM »

sometimes it takes a day or 2 for her to come down.  I will unlock the door before she does any damage to the door or herself.  100yo solid wood door, she would most likely get hurt.  also she will bruise if you breathe on her.  Our primary physician has record of that.  So another worry is that she will try to break down the door and call the cops and tell them I hurt her. 
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 04:02:04 PM »

sometimes it takes a day or 2 for her to come down.  I will unlock the door before she does any damage to the door or herself.  100yo solid wood door, she would most likely get hurt.  also she will bruise if you breathe on her.  Our primary physician has record of that.  So another worry is that she will try to break down the door and call the cops and tell them I hurt her. 

It may be worth considering alternative strategies. She is clearly taught that banging at the door with her head gets her eventually through it. So it is a completely rational strategy to try to get with her head through the door... .
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 04:23:21 PM »

If you can prove you were there at the time she claims you hurt her, you're off the hook.  The best defense is to not be in a situation where there's risk of violence to start with.

At the same time, I realize it's not totally practical to just be gone.  So, I'd invest in a recording device to document that she's hitting the door and causing self harm.  If it comes down to it, don't come out of that door until it's an officer on the other side, and keep the recording going from when she starts to when you open the door to the cop and make sure to get it recorded.  That way there are no gaps and you can prove beyond any doubt what happened.

An escape plan is needed as well.  I kept 2 days change of clothes and toiletries in the trunk of my car, as well as enough cash for a cheap hotel, food and gas for a day or two, etc.  Basically enough resources that I could bug out and take care of myself while sorting out more long term arrangements.  All of that is predicated on being able to get your wallet/keys/phone/etc. and get to the car and get out.  Sometimes, they try to block access to that too.  So if you decide to leave, it needs to be lightning fast, before she has a clue what's happening.

And have a plan for the kids too.  I had clothes and arrangements ready for my son as well.

Living like that is truly miserable.  I'd highly advise you to find a therapist that is experienced with dealing with abuse and DV, as well as DV in the court system as it pertains to men specifically, and find a way to get to the sessions.  Just you, not her.  I didn't tell my xuBPDgf about starting T.  When I first started putting lessons into practice, her first reaction was ask who was coaching me and to try to find out what I was doing so she could try to cut it off.

Abuse thrives in secret.  It dies when it's made public.  Find a way to expose her with documentation.  Record it.  You have nothing to be ashamed of.  
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 03:47:21 PM »

Great idea about the bug out supplies.  I try to keep the wallet, keys, phone, my big 3 on me at all times.  I get a little nervous even charging my phone sometimes. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2013, 10:04:06 PM »

Hi all

I see a lot of stuff here about validating them, however in my experience validation doesn't always work either, it seems to give them license to act out even more or get nastier to you.

And for all the validating I have done, my partner is still ranting on about the same old things, nothing ever changes, he is still talking about things that happened in our relationship at the start and over 2 years ago! His capacity to bear a grudge is amazing!

Mind you, if you sit down and remind him of all the things he has done and said, (and believe me the scales are sorely tipped on his side on that one) his fuse goes off in an instant.

I actually tell him that I am starting over, pushing the reset button on all that crap, it is of no benefit to dwell on it all, as it cannot be changed, what can be done though, is to make a huge effort not to repeat the same mistakes/hurts again, and this means adjusting your behaviours in the present with that in mind.

My partner and myself were together 3.5 years, the first 2 he lived off and on at mine, but I had boundaries at my home, and if he broke them and refused to respect them, (ie my own right to peace, sleep and safety) then if I absolutely had to, I would call the police. This always worked, and he would leave.

Of course he only built up resentment to me over calling them now and again, but he needs to learn that he cannot get away with putting me under attack every 5 minutes of my life.

In our case, he used every aspect of my life as an excuse to act out, (he calls it being 'upset' and usually it was every 3-4 days regularly the whole time I have been involved with him, even now after a break of 4 months, he is still volatile occasionally.

I still walk on eggshells occasionally, and there are obviously things I don't discuss with him, for fear of him reacting badly. I learn to get those needs met elsewhere.

Now, I don't even argue at all, I simply say I am not discussing this again right now, I am just going to walk away for a while as I don't want both of us to get upset and end up in an argument.

Wish me luck folks!

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