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« on: December 21, 2013, 06:49:38 PM »

I'm not sure how to approach this because absolutely nothing gets through to my ex. It gets projected, kitchen sinks or it's twisted back.

Long story short. My replacement (no kids of his own) lives most of the time with my ex and kids. D7, S5, S2. I'm separated for 11 months now and he somewhat moved in week 3.

My son has an appointment next month to get assesed for autism.

He is very sensitive. D7 mentioned tonight that my replacement yells often at my son, if my son is crying because he can't find his 3DS or a game for example.

I'm reaching out for advice on how to deal with this with a diffcult personality.
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 07:56:45 PM »

How often are the kids with you, and for how long?

Will you be there when your son is assessed?

What kind of relationship do you have now with their mom and with the other guy?

What do you know about him?

And what is the legal situation - the court process - is that all finished or is it still in process?
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 08:46:12 PM »

How often are the kids with you, and for how long?

Will you be there when your son is assessed?

What kind of relationship do you have now with their mom and with the other guy?

What do you know about him?

And what is the legal situation - the court process - is that all finished or is it still in process?

She gave me every second weekend. In her words "If you behave we'll see where it goes from there" I shot her an e-mail that I have an L now. If I get denied reasonable access, the email is forwarded to him. Since then every chance I get.

No. I'll follow up with the Dr myself. At least that's what the plan is.

She went no contact when she left. No calls, texts, e-mails only. I'm in controlled contact with her. I haven't spoken to her in person for over 10 months. All communiques have been via e-mail. I pick up the kids at the corner of their complex. I don't go to the door. The replacement avoids me. I did go to their home when he was there and he was upstairs. D7 answered the door. If he sees me in public he turns the other way.

It's a good question. I don't know anything. If I ask the ex I get told that I'm more interested in their relationship than the kids and it's none of my business.

Court is still in process. I was going Pro Se, but I was trying to get a referal from Family Justice Services for Legal-Aid. The court counselor that was appointed to me had gone on vacation and the one that was covering her was incredibly hard to get a hold of. I kept adjourning until I could get a referal. I did and obviously I made too much to get assistance, I appealed and I got approval and pay them in monthly installments. Long story short, L says we should be done by Spring 2014 and the divorce will quickly follow and be done after that. I'm apprehensive due to her high-conflict nature, but I'll see once we finally get things moving forward.
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 09:08:58 PM »

She gave me every second weekend. In her words "If you behave we'll see where it goes from there" I shot her an e-mail that I have an L now. If I get denied reasonable access, the email is forwarded to him. Since then every chance I get.

So you need a court order to set the schedule, so she can't jerk you around.  There is no reason she gets to make this decision.  You can probably file a motion for the court to set temporary orders.  Ask for whatever you think is right, but courts usually set a schedule similar to how things are now.  At least then you will have time with the kids based on the court order and not your wife's mood.

No. I'll follow up with the Dr myself. At least that's what the plan is.

I would suggest that you be there if you can, or talk to the doctor both before and after the appointment.  Don't let your wife establish a relationship with the doctor that might suck her into your wife's view of things, and don't allow the doctor to be used in some way.  Sometimes people with BPD project medical problems onto their kids, and get doctors to see things their way, instead of making their own objective evaluation.

She went no contact when she left. No calls, texts, e-mails only. I'm in controlled contact with her. I haven't spoken to her in person for over 10 months. All communiques have been via e-mail. I pick up the kids at the corner of their complex. I don't go to the door. The replacement avoids me. I did go to their home when he was there and he was upstairs. D7 answered the door. If he sees me in public he turns the other way.

This is probably all good, though it may not feel good.  Don't seek direct contact with either your wife or the other guy - that could backfire big-time.  E-mail is good because it leaves a paper trail.  (But of course you need to think twice before you hit "Send"... .)

It's a good question. I don't know anything. If I ask the ex I get told that I'm more interested in their relationship than the kids and it's none of my business.

That's probably good too.  If you have reason to be concerned about him, talk to your attorney about maybe researching him a little - you can easily find out if he has a criminal record for example.  But it is best to stay focused on the kids, not your wife or the new guy.

Court is still in process. I was going Pro Se, but I was trying to get a referal from Family Justice Services for Legal-Aid. The court counselor that was appointed to me had gone on vacation and the one that was covering her was incredibly hard to get a hold of. I kept adjourning until I could get a referal. I did and obviously I made too much to get assistance, I appealed and I got approval and pay them in monthly installments. Long story short, L says we should be done by Spring 2014 and the divorce will quickly follow and be done after that. I'm apprehensive due to her high-conflict nature, but I'll see once we finally get things moving forward.

Does your attorney have experience with high-conflict cases?  Have you communicated your objectives for the outcome of this case to her?  And does she buy into them?

I would strongly suggest you read "Splitting" by William A. Eddy, and/or check out his web site, www.HighConflictInstitute.com.  He writes about how cases involving someone with BPD or NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) are different from other cases.  Where many of us have struggled is in using an attorney who doesn't understand that difference, and wants to handle the case like 95% of cases - "collaborative" approaches that just don't work when the opposing party has a psychological disorder.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2013, 06:26:27 PM »

So you need a court order to set the schedule, so she can't jerk you around.  There is no reason she gets to make this decision.  You can probably file a motion for the court to set temporary orders.  Ask for whatever you think is right, but courts usually set a schedule similar to how things are now.  At least then you will have time with the kids based on the court order and not your wife's mood.

The court order is still in process. I want everything hashed out in a schedule for a year. Especially holidays and school breaks. I don't room for ambiguity to create conflict.

Thanks Matt. I had not thought of temporary orders. I'm going to take that back to my lawyer and start setting it now, before the initial court order is done. I've noticed that she changes times often and sometimes days, usually I don't get the short end of the stick. I'm sensing she purposely does this for a reason to keep communicating with me. It's secondary, but I'll file.

I would suggest that you be there if you can, or talk to the doctor both before and after the appointment.  Don't let your wife establish a relationship with the doctor that might suck her into your wife's view of things, and don't allow the doctor to be used in some way.  Sometimes people with BPD project medical problems onto their kids, and get doctors to see things their way, instead of making their own objective evaluation.

I'm glad that I posted Matt. This I had not even considered and can be applied to other situations with doctors, teachers, etc. Thank you.

This is probably all good, though it may not feel good.  Don't seek direct contact with either your wife or the other guy - that could backfire big-time.  E-mail is good because it leaves a paper trail.  (But of course you need to think twice before you hit "Send"... .)

I started doing this because every time that I went to the door, she was dressed up or getting ready (make-up, dresses she used to wear at formal things with me) to go out with the replacement. It hurt to see that. Why not wait? Then it changed to safety. I cannot trust her. She had charged me a few years back for assault for her attack. I'm not re-visiting that.

As far as direct contact with either. As hard as it was, I leave them to their own devices. She wouldn't want me near him in fear that I said something about her that, like the truth.

None of my business as far as I'm concerned. I'm getting divorced and don't want her back.

That's probably good too.  If you have reason to be concerned about him, talk to your attorney about maybe researching him a little - you can easily find out if he has a criminal record for example.  But it is best to stay focused on the kids, not your wife or the new guy.

I cannot trust anything that she says. Take away the words and look at the actions. She met him through our old neighbors upstairs. Both toxic. I'll get the information straight from the horses mouth. I'll take this to L too. She puts her needs above the kids. I'm not too concerned. Can never be too careful either.

Does your attorney have experience with high-conflict cases?  Have you communicated your objectives for the outcome of this case to her?  And does she buy into them?

I would strongly suggest you read "Splitting" by William A. Eddy, and/or check out his web site, www.HighConflictInstitute.com.  He writes about how cases involving someone with BPD or NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) are different from other cases.  Where many of us have struggled is in using an attorney who doesn't understand that difference, and wants to handle the case like 95% of cases - "collaborative" approaches that just don't work when the opposing party has a psychological disorder.

First thing I asked L was if he had heard of BPD, which he said that he did. Later he said "she would show symptoms".

He's not experienced with it.

He said either way I'll get you 50/50. I told him I don't care how we get there, just get me there.

My wife knows I want 50/50. She doesn't want me to. She said in her response that she needs to stay at home for the children's needs because they are young. I have not collaborated any other objectives with her if that's what you mean. I recognize that it's a divorce and I don't divulge personal information as if she was a significant other. I have borrowed Bill Eddy's book from the library, have not read the book. I'll buy it off Amazon. I have gone to his website and checked it out. I will go back and read more to become familiar and knowledgeable.

Can I refer my L to that site? I do intend on nudging him if I think he's collaborating. Recently she was triggered and sent off a bunch of e-mails, and honestly I was surprised about the distortions she's been telling the kids. It was a chance to peek inside her mind and see what she's been telling people.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2013, 07:20:04 PM »

I meant, have you communicated your goals very clearly to your attorney, and does he buy into them?

The reason I say that is that sometimes an attorney assumes he knows what is best, and it may not be what you believe is best.  Or you may tell him what outcome you think is right, but he may not agree, and then he's not acting toward the right goal.  I think having that conversation as soon as possible and as openly as possible lets you form a good team - if he's the right attorney for you.

But if you're convinced he doesn't have the right experience, do you think you can find somebody who does?
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2013, 08:27:46 PM »

I meant, have you communicated your goals very clearly to your attorney, and does he buy into them?

The reason I say that is that sometimes an attorney assumes he knows what is best, and it may not be what you believe is best.  Or you may tell him what outcome you think is right, but he may not agree, and then he's not acting toward the right goal.  I think having that conversation as soon as possible and as openly as possible lets you form a good team - if he's the right attorney for you.

But if you're convinced he doesn't have the right experience, do you think you can find somebody who does?

I don't have a choice with this L. I did look him up online. He is competent. I'm in Canada. Legal-Aid here is when you cannot afford to retain a lawyer, they'll appoint you one. My wife is using the same service.  I didn't qualify because I make too much annually. I apealed it and got approved.

My ex, drained me of ALL finances before leaving. It's him or Pro Se. Seriously.

I'll pick him.

I explained to him clearly what my goal is, I don't think he buys into the BPD, to be frank. She's not diagnosed and that's a road-block with him, with my T, anything that I deal with. 

I will be on him if I don't buy into what he's doing. That's why I'm saying I'll nudge him if I don't think it's going the way I think that it should.

My wife knew what she was doing before she left. She left me in a position as to not defend myself.

I think that I'm doing the best that I can with what I have and the difficult road ahead. He's all I got.

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2013, 11:12:56 PM »

mutt: bill eddy has a short document, a pdf, on this site, about BPD/NPD and the family courts. you might see it yourself, and i'll put the link here next time i see it. handy to give to your L.
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2013, 09:26:09 AM »

mutt: bill eddy has a short document, a pdf, on this site, about BPD/NPD and the family courts. you might see it yourself, and i'll put the link here next time i see it. handy to give to your L.

Thanks maxen. I will check it out and I will give it to the L.
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2013, 01:43:26 AM »

here it is mutt:

https://bpdfamily.com/pdfs/pamp-eddy.pdf

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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2013, 10:32:04 AM »


Thank you and Merry Christmas!
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