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« on: January 21, 2014, 10:25:31 AM »

Here's one for the group to ponder.

When I was detaching from my exBPDgf, at one our last meetings she said she wanted to give me a gift. She described it as one of her childhood's favorite books, it was the Shel Silverstein book "The Giving Tree" <www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Tree>. At that time she sort of had a very detached and unemotional somber persona as if she was resigned to the fact that things would never be the same between us. She was already well established in a  "love bomb" of another suitor (her current husband of 20 yrs.) and I just couldn't take it anymore or again so, I told her I was very intent on leaving. Even though I knew she'd try to recycle me, as she'd already done successfully a number of times. I told her this time I really meant it. She said she'd been meaning to give me this book for some time, but thought it would be opportune to give it to me then (our departure), because to her it represented what our relationship was all about, or how she viewed it. After she left, I took one look at the book and was discussed (even though I'm sure she meant it to be equally meaningful and a nice gift of sorts) and tossed the book out immediately. I was very repulsed by the story and very confused that she could really see all that we'd shared in such diabolical terms. Now, as I've mentioned in other recent posts, it makes perfect sense. I was merely there as an object to serve her and she thought I was probably a "good" object, but there wasn't anything I was ever going to be able to do to change her designation or perception of me and our r/s in those terms.

In some ways, much of what I feel about my BPD partners is, that I was like the characters in the Disney movie Toy Story. As toys always trying to get the "child" to pay attention to me and to play with me again. To have that same level of appeal I once had. Or, something. Not a good place to be for a Non.
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2014, 10:50:01 AM »

Funny, that book seems to come up in these lopsided relationships. The BPDex mentioned it once before we split. We weren't in any great crises at the time. It was just a casual reference to it. My limbs are growing back and my trunk is strong. Somebody else's turn to give all.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2014, 12:44:53 PM »

That book can be interpreted in many different ways. It could be about unconditional giving, where maybe a parent gives everything to a child. It also be considered an exploitative relationship because the tree gives all of itself to fulfill the desires of the boy. Maybe the tree is codependent, as the tree is only happy in the immediate aftermath of having given of it self to the boy.

Just as the human character is always addressed as boy, it does seem to describe part of the typical BPD relationship dynamic in that the nonBPD partner/tree is like the occassional caretaker of the BPD child/boy. The boy even leaves the tree repeatedly and comes back when he needs something, and the tree is momentarily happy at that time.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2014, 12:48:52 PM »

I owned this book as a kid... . not sure how I feel about it now.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2014, 12:55:36 PM »

The codependent tree... . Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2014, 03:51:18 PM »

Sorry to be on sort of a childhood perspective rant. My exBPDgf also used to find a lot of solace in Winnie the Pooh books too. This should have given me a clue as to her maturity as well, but I missed that part. Oh well. In her Winnie the Pooh comparisons of our r/s, err "love" she would whip out quotes like this one: “Promise me you'll never forget me because if I thought you would, I'd never leave.” and then get me hooked into it as well when I was trying to break things off with her. So, when I was breaking up with her, I'd think of that in terms of her thinking of me, then as I got further into NC with her and never heard back (she was off love bombing someone else by then), I'd turn it around and then try to convince myself that I needed to reconnect with her, because of that heartbreaking quote.

Ugh, just goes to show you the push-pull of these relationships and the kinds of things my ex did to try and recycle our relationship or to manipulate our emotions. Lesson learned: Don't listen or believe any of it for a second. It's just a cute and cleaver quote is all.
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