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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: March 18, 2014, 12:48:29 AM »

Hi All,

My dBPDbf has been up and down all week – usually with some period of depression or rage.  Last night was the worst out of all of them and probably the worst I have seen him in a very long time.  He got very depressed about missing out on a job interview and then he got angry at everything.  He becomes almost an uncontrollable beast.  I let him have the computer in the loungeroom where I tried (ha ha) to get some sleep in the bedroom.  He kept stomping in and out at all hours of the night, each time he came back with more horrible things to say.

He has never in our 14 month relationship called me names, belittled me or told me that he hates me.  Last night he was telling me that I had ruined his life and that he’d only pretended to love me and he fantasized about throwing my head up against a brick wall and smashing me.  I tried to validate his anger whilst letting him know that this behaviour is not okay.   I was really shocked and not at the top of my game also it was 3am and I haven’t slept properly in weeks! 

He eventually ended up getting drunk and falling asleep on the couch.  Usually these episodes last a few hours and he is very remorseful and back to his regular self in the mornings but this morning he was still stomping around.  He asked me if I was mad at him.  I replied that it appeared he was more mad at me.  He replied that he was mad at everything and that was the most I could speak with him before going to work.  I tried to rub his back once to comfort him but he shook me off.  We haven’t spoken all day. 

I am not sure where to go to next.  I understand why he is acting like this and how hurt he is and all the emotional trauma he is processing but he has never taken it out on me like this and I’m really hurt.  I’m also not sure what to do next.  I know that if he’s calmed down he’ll be hating on himself for this behaviour but if he is still heightened then there’ll be little to no point talking to him.   I’m not sure whether I should speak to him or leave him alone.   Any words of advice would really be appreciated. 

Thank you

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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2014, 01:49:14 AM »

I am so sorry to hear this, pipedreamer. 

Going trough moments like this is so difficult, I would be shocked too.

Its even dangerous when things get so heated and out of control. I am worried about your safety. I think you need to think about an exit plan for a next time - a place to stay safe. Do you have someone near you who can lend you a spare room or a sofa near you?

And I agree with you, discussions are not working when he is drunk or otherwise out of control.

You are saying you haven't slept properly in weeks - is it because of similar situations, just not that worse?

Another thought: He may got angry about a job interview. Lashing all out to you in the way he did is really not okay. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2014, 01:14:33 PM »

Hi Pipedreamer, I am so, so sorry to hear you're going through this. This can be unnerving when it hits in the late hours and you're tired and trying to sleep. Let's walk through it.

My dBPDbf has been up and down all week – usually with some period of depression or rage.  Last night was the worst out of all of them and probably the worst I have seen him in a very long time.  He got very depressed about missing out on a job interview and then he got angry at everything.  He becomes almost an uncontrollable beast. 

First of all, a rage that goes on for days is a red flag. If you were a "normal" couple, the fight should conclude in 30 minutes. Things would be said that needed to be said, and then it's time to move on. The bf doesn't work that way, because his mind cannot let go of the idea that its all YOUR fault and YOU must be blamed, and repeatedly reminded of this, over, and over, and over... . It's like a dog that can't stop chasing it tail - spinning around on the same point is how he attempts to make himself feel better and absolve himself of any responsibility. Missing a job interview is tough, but life has its ups and downs - we all have good days, and bad days, and that's just part of life. It's called Rolling With The Punches. He is unable to accept that, for reasons that have little to do with you.

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I let him have the computer in the loungeroom where I tried (ha ha) to get some sleep in the bedroom.  He kept stomping in and out at all hours of the night, each time he came back with more horrible things to say.

Depriving you of your sleep in order to rage at you is extremely bad, and shows lack of concern for your your own needs. This behavior prevents you from getting up in the morning refreshed and able to do your daily tasks. Is that fair? Does that seem fair to you? Does it mean that his raging and anger needs to take a front seat to your need to function as a normal person? Is that something required in a normal relationship balance? (Hint: No, to all of the above.)

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He has never in our 14 month relationship called me names, belittled me or told me that he hates me.  Last night he was telling me that I had ruined his life and that he’d only pretended to love me and he fantasized about throwing my head up against a brick wall and smashing me. 

These comments, even if made in anger, throw up red flags all over the place. Visualizing smashing your head into a wall? Seriously? Wow, that's what I call succinct communication. He seems unstable and unable to control his mood swings. Actually, this is a sign of things to come. After several years you will tire of these tactics/threats and call his bluff (because you do need to sleep after all, right?) and things may get physical. I never thought my H would get physical with me. It took about 3 years into the marriage and he started with it. It happens in slow motion, so you have a hard time seeing what is happening to you, and each time something escalates to something worse, you find yourself wondering "wow... . how it things come to this?" Things to think about.

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I tried to validate his anger whilst letting him know that this behaviour is not okay.   I was really shocked and not at the top of my game also it was 3am and I haven’t slept properly in weeks! 

no no, please don't validate this one. Actually you have done the correct thing by letting know that this is inappropriate anger. And the level of inappropriateness reached went much further than it should have.

Here is what I propose for you: boundaries, firm boundaries. Like:

- you are not allowed to wake me up just to continue your fight. Waking for this purpose = unacceptable.

- fighting and raging at any one person needs to cease after 30 minutes. That's plenty of time to make your "point" and your concerns known.

- Talk of physical violence is a sign that you need help controlling your anger. Automatic timeout from the room (either you or him, preferably you).

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I tried to rub his back once to comfort him but he shook me off.  We haven’t spoken all day. 

I would avoid this, physical touch when he is in this state probably isn't going to feel right to him at that time, and may backfire on you. Wait until things have calmed down, significantly.

Bottom line, your bf needs to get a handle on how to contro lhis own anger and mood swings. That part isn't you, it's him. If you didn't deliberately provoke him, then how could it be your fault? (hint: It's not.)

Wishing you well, and stay safe.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2014, 03:02:18 PM »

Wow.  That's pretty serious.  Unfortunately, I've been in similar situations, and while it may be hard to see while you are in the middle of it, but this is pretty serious emotional abuse.  Technically speaking, threats of violence are physical abuse as well. 

I'm agree with others.  this is a situation where your safety comes first.  I also think that having a friend or family member with a vacant sofa is a good idea.  Having a bag of necessities packed in the trunk of your car is also a good idea.  After issues with violence last summer, I talked to a few friends and made sure I had places to go at a moments notice. 

Unfortunately, this kind of thing happens with BPD.  He get agitated over something that has nothing to do with you, then he projects his anger onto everything and anything in his path.  The only thing you can do is stay out of his way.  You can try  to talk to him about it calmly, but after a few minutes you should know if he is receptive, and if not, just get out until he cools down.  Once he has lost control of his emotions, there is nothing you can do for him.

Most important is to be safe, and then deal with the issue after sufficient time for him to calm down.
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2014, 03:26:40 PM »

PipeDreamer, Im sorry for all this! Please take care of yourself. As others said, you need an exit plan, thats not acceptable and truly scary!

"Last night he was telling me that I had ruined his life and that he’d only pretended to love me and he fantasized about throwing my head up against a brick wall and smashing me.  I tried to validate his anger whilst letting him know that this behaviour is not okay."

I dont think you should validate him. I mean, in my experience, validation leads to escalation. Maybe my uBPDs are extreme cases and nothing seems to work except keeping distance. I keep thinking that validating sounds like a free pass to them most of the times, thats why Im very skeptical at it.

Also, a PD and alcohol is an explosive mix. Please stay safe.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2014, 07:18:50 AM »

Thank you all so much for your advice and kind words. I don't know what id do without it ad it really means a lot that despite everything you're going through you can still find time for others.

I ended up going to work and leaving him be.  He called me at the end of the day and askede what happened last night.  He had no recollection at all.  I told him and he was super embarrassed. He had a bit of a panic attack and kept saying that he was evil and couldn't help it.  I told him I needed to feel safe and he needs to get help.  He said he is but hi depression is making it hard for him to commit to anything.  I told him that if he speaks to me that way again ill leave and he understood.  We had a good chat about boundaries and about what I'll do the next time. 


It's so hard because sometimes it seems e had so much insight other times barely any. 

Anyway thanks so much for your support.  The online hugs are the best Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2014, 11:44:18 AM »

He had no recollection at all. 

I wonder if this is a BPD thing or an alcohol thing.  Scary that he was that out of control and that he could not remember.  I don't think my GF remembers the details of what she did or said during a rage - she says she doesn't, but sometimes I wonder if she intentionally blocks it out.  And she is sober. 

He had a bit of a panic attack and kept saying that he was evil and couldn't help it. 

I get the same thing - she feels so much shame over her behavior, yet will repeat the same behavior again. That frightens me a little that she seems to be aware, but only afterwards and only if it is pointed out to her.  She's been sober 11 years, I cant imagine what she was like when intoxicated and completely out of control.  The times where she has hit me or thrown things, she says afterwards she feels really shaky and unstable. 

It's so hard because sometimes it seems e had so much insight other times barely any. 

I can completely relate.  In the thick of the abuse, I'm ready to just bolt for good.  But then there are these moments of clarity where she has great insight into her behavior and how she is destroying herself, and then I decide to support her healing rather than cast her off.  In me, this cause so much confusion, because I don't know what kind of person I am dealing with at any given moment. 

I'm glad you took the time after he cooled down to reinforce boundaries to keep you safe.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2014, 09:34:28 PM »

Thanks max.  I hope you are keeping well some of the stuff you've described sounds truly terrifying.  It's so hard to keep to boundaries when it seems like you're dealing with two totally different people.  I don't want to have to leave him but I need too if he does this again if he doesn't make some sort of meaningful effort to get help first. 
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