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« on: August 20, 2014, 05:05:32 PM »

Hello.

I am back on the staying or leaving board.  Yesterday the BPDgf moved out of my house and is staying with a distant relative temporarily.  Her decision to move out was impulsive and based on delusions which made her anxiety levels go way up. But I respected her decision to leave.

We have not ended the r/s but it may come to that soon.

Her stated intent was to stay with the relative for a while and then move to some kind of women's shelter. She has no job, no $, no family here and is on probation. She is waiting for an answer from social security on getting disability payments (probably will get them).

I asked about the women's shelter and explained that they are full of drug addicts and said if she was uncomfortable at my home it will be 100 times worse at a women's shelter. She is a clean freak and there is no way she would be happy in a women's shelter.

Today she said if she has to go to a women's shelter our r/s would be over because I cannot "support her."  I am not in any kind of good financial condition to stick her into an apt unless it was a very cheap apt.

I don't have any problem with her living at my house if she gets into treatment (something she is not doing).  She has meds but was off for a couple of days and was very annoying.

I am not sure she would move back in and her hasty decision to leave makes it difficult to accept her back under certain conditions.

Well... .annoying as she is I am definitely missing her or what she once was.  One part of me says sure go find her a dirt cheap apt and the other says let her go to a homeless shelter and see what real hardship is.

In a normal r/s under these conditions I get it that it would be a no-brainer to write her off and suck it up. But I know this is not a normal r/s.   

The detachement is starting to cause me problems and I want to think things through and not do anything stupider than what I have already done.

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2014, 03:11:47 PM »

I cannot afford to put her in an apt and she will have difficulty getting one because of felony conviction and no job.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2014, 03:23:12 PM »

Well, since you aren't an alcoholic, Smiling (click to insert in post), how about requesting some short-term pharmaceutical help from a physician. Just so your brain can get a break from the stress it has been enduring for a bit too long.

Best not to make any big decisions until you have a calmer perspective.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2014, 04:00:29 PM »

Well, since you aren't an alcoholic, Smiling (click to insert in post), how about requesting some short-term pharmaceutical help from a physician. Just so your brain can get a break from the stress it has been enduring for a bit too long.

Best not to make any big decisions until you have a calmer perspective.

You are on to something. Going to try to go take a nap. I think I have figured out a good excuse to tell her why I can't put her into an apt... .but I will need to be rested up to break the "news" to her and probably need to go into cocoon mode for a couple of days to keep awY from contact with her. 

she was stupid to drive herself into a paranoid frenzy and pack up and leave without discussion and no place to go.

will need to de stress some to think clearly
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 05:29:57 PM »

Are the women's shelters where you live really bad?

My city is a fairly prosperous one, but when I used to visit places like the YWCA hotels to serve legal papers to the women staying there, they didn't seem like dangerous places to me.

And I also can't help but think about the groups of women who do landscape work on public property in my neighborhood as part of their jail work-release jobs. They all seem like nice enough women to me, trading jokes and life stories while they work--pleasant enough as long as they are sober and not actively prostituting or check-kiting or whatever they have done in the past (and may do in the future) to live.

Is your girlfriend really in such immediate peril from possible exposure to troubled women that you need to panic? Or is the panic for her more like an old habit that rushes to the fore automatically?
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 08:16:46 PM »

Are the women's shelters where you live really bad?

My city is a fairly prosperous one, but when I used to visit places like the YWCA hotels to serve legal papers to the women staying there, they didn't seem like dangerous places to me.

And I also can't help but think about the groups of women who do landscape work on public property in my neighborhood as part of their jail work-release jobs. They all seem like nice enough women to me, trading jokes and life stories while they work--pleasant enough as long as they are sober and not actively prostituting or check-kiting or whatever they have done in the past (and may do in the future) to live.

Is your girlfriend really in such immediate peril from possible exposure to troubled women that you need to panic? Or is the panic for her more like an old habit that rushes to the fore automatically?

Thanks KateCat for listening to my sordid tale and being so kind to offer encouragement and thought provoking questions.  Until I can get into therapy I have no one I can share any of this with... .too embarrassing and too complicated to explain unless somebody has experience with or knowledge of BPD.

The gf felt like she was in immediate peril at my home for irrational reasons. There are a couple of very excellent women's shelters in my city but there is a waiting list to get in and they are mainly for battered women.  My gf has been designated by the state with an SMI (Serious Mental Illness is the state's term for the official legal definition) and she was convicted of felony theft just a few months ago... .and was darn lucky... .it could have been much worse. if she can get into a women's shelter she will feel like she is in immediate peril whether or not it is true.

Nevertheless I am tangled up with her. I feel like if she had a job or "vocation" like volunteer work or something and had her own place the r/s would be better. She was getting on my nerves in my house and I was unhappy with her here.

I want to focus on myself but my old habits are tough to break. The fact that she has thrown herself into a true crisis situation so abruptly is tough on me. 

She says she wants to be well. I told her she absolutely must be in therapy for me to continue any kind of r/s with her. She promises to do so.

Reality is setting in. Even if I could afford to get her into an apt there are few apts that don't do a background check. She presents herself very well so that may not be a big issue.

For me the challenge will be to stay away from her and keep contact minimal... .not easy as I like her more when I don't have to be around her too much.

My last talk with her I echoed some of what you said in that right now there is a lot of stress and emotions are running high and there should not be an big decisions until there is less stress.

I hope to keep that in mind.

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 08:30:43 PM »

Well, since you aren't an alcoholic, Smiling (click to insert in post), how about requesting some short-term pharmaceutical help from a physician. Just so your brain can get a break from the stress it has been enduring for a bit too long.

Best not to make any big decisions until you have a calmer perspective.

You are on to something. Going to try to go take a nap. I think I have figured out a good excuse to tell her why I can't put her into an apt... .but I will need to be rested up to break the "news" to her and probably need to go into cocoon mode for a couple of days to keep awY from contact with her. 

she was stupid to drive herself into a paranoid frenzy and pack up and leave without discussion and no place to go.

will need to de stress some to think clearly

Your best excuse is... .*drum roll*... .THE TRUTH! Tell her you aren't going to be subject to demands. Tell her you would be sacrificing your own well being for her selfishness just because she's freaking out. Boundaries man. Boundaries.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 09:48:01 PM »

Let her go for the moment.

Most recently the two of you have been living together by default rather than by choice. But if you let her find her own place to live, then in a few months both she and you can decide how your relationship is to be defined.

I think you've got to go ahead and risk the possibility that she will move on to someone else once she is in a stronger position. Biting that bullet sooner rather than later is painful but healthy.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 11:26:46 PM »

Well, since you aren't an alcoholic, Smiling (click to insert in post), how about requesting some short-term pharmaceutical help from a physician. Just so your brain can get a break from the stress it has been enduring for a bit too long.

Best not to make any big decisions until you have a calmer perspective.

You are on to something. Going to try to go take a nap. I think I have figured out a good excuse to tell her why I can't put her into an apt... .but I will need to be rested up to break the "news" to her and probably need to go into cocoon mode for a couple of days to keep awY from contact with her. 

she was stupid to drive herself into a paranoid frenzy and pack up and leave without discussion and no place to go.

will need to de stress some to think clearly

Your best excuse is... .*drum roll*... .THE TRUTH! Tell her you aren't going to be subject to demands. Tell her you would be sacrificing your own well being for her selfishness just because she's freaking out. Boundaries man. Boundaries.

Love the drum roll! Smiling (click to insert in post)   Yes you are right.  I found out some more info tonight that makes me want to give her a push down the slip and slide to a shelter.  I think she will have a surprise tomorrow.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 12:23:29 AM »

Let her go for the moment.

Most recently the two of you have been living together by default rather than by choice. But if you let her find her own place to live, then in a few months both she and you can decide how your relationship is to be defined.

I think you've got to go ahead and risk the possibility that she will move on to someone else once she is in a stronger position. Biting that bullet sooner rather than later is painful but healthy.

I am agreeing with you and need to find strength to carry through.  I should share what precipitated sudden fallout:

Gf had been expressing how uncomfortable she was at my house with my son etc for a while. About 2-3 weeks ago gf asked if I could find her an apt and I said no can't afford it etc but laid out some ideas to work through problem (therapy, more activity on her part... .get her out of the house etc).   Then her nephew visited with his gf who is a psychologist with master's degree.  gf shared her "fears" with the psychologist and was told and I quote "... .get into therapy and involve yourself."  So I preached patience to gf and encouraged this path and see what happens.

On Monday of this week I went on facebook... .I usually avoid fb and what I about to write might sound like one of those seeeeee fb destroys relationship deals haha.

We had listed our r/s on fb a while back... .I initiated this even though I hate fb as a test in a way.  On Monday when I logged into fb I noticed she had taken my name off of the r/s line and was just listed as the generic "in a relationship" on her page.

I didn't get too annoyed right away but she had been behaving weird and said was out of an anxiety med so I cut her slack even though she was being super annoying and demanding. The next morning I asked her about deleting my name from the fb r/s line and her answer really bothered me... .she said it was "naco" to have names listed.  Naco is some kind of sonoran spanish slang for trashy/low class etc.

Anyways... .I was busy with work and put it out of my mind but her answer didn't make sense and was slowly eating at me and I pretty much avoided/ignored her for the day.

So I got home and she has her bags packed blah blah.  On the way to taking her her relative's apt I told her I was mad about taking my name off the f/b r/s line and said it was disrespectful and if I had wanted to do such a thing for any reason including thinking listing her name was "naco" I would have first discussed it with her out of common courtesy and respect. 

... .now let's fast forward to tonight.  Through the miracle of technology and utilizing some of my ex-military intel and amateur detective skills I pulled up my phone records on Verizon and looked at the usage on her phone, and was able to ID 95% of everyone she has called or texted in the last 30 days (she has a small social circle so was not too hard).

Looking at the records I see she began texting 3 old dates last Friday night while I was at my business meeting.  Looking at fb I see she added the 3 old dates as "friends" in the same time range as removing my name from the r/s line on fb.

Looking further at the phone/text records she texted them all on the 19th... .the day she left... .too bad for her I can deduce by the pattern of contacts she initiated between the 15th and the present there does not appear to be much interest from the 3 ex dates.

Now that she has left and is soon to be homeless she is demanding an apt or else r/s ends. It appears she is at the end of the line as none of the 3 ex dates are going to take her in.

Well... .I am going to try to sleep on this but it looks like I will be confronting her in the morning and getting a samsung galaxy s6 from her... .she just doesn't know it yet.

Yes... .you probably know by now I will not close the door on her but I see a homeless shelter in her immediate future.

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 06:40:24 PM »

Well today I met the BPDgf who panicked and moved out a few days ago and confronted her on her bad behavior regarding facebook and phone calls/texts to ex-dates in the days preceding her move out.

At first she got defensive because I was spying on her. I would not let her off the hook even though she used the "I am sick in the head" excuse. Eventually she admitted that she was caught in a lie and apologized, although for some reason she thought it was funny.

I reminded her of patterns of behavior and told her she was almost 100% predictable because now after my extensive experience with her and reiterated that she needed to get into regular therapy and if her and I are to be in any kind of romantic r/s we would need to go to some kind of couples therapy.

After all this drama I dropped her off at her relatives 6 cat apt. There was additional drama and she tried to give me her phone because she didn't want to be "spied on."  Although I initially expected taking the phone back I refused to give her what she wanted and told her to hold on to the phone and if we are officially broken up she can give it back then... .and said something like if you are worried about being spied on we need to end it now.  She thought about it and kept the phone.

Well... .maybe I should have taken the phone because I got a phone call about 30 minutes ago and she is apologizing and crying and I miss you blah blah and now wants me to pick her up and bring her back to my house and wants to stay here with me and my son (who she is afraid of) until she is able to get a place on her own.

I told her I would need to discuss with my son and get back to her.

The telenovela continues... .

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2014, 08:48:54 AM »

Don't do it.  She will just string you along.  People can change, but it takes a ton of work.   If she couldn't at least put in the work to go to therapy to change, she definitely doesn't have what it takes to turn around and become self sufficient.  "Take me back" is code for "I don't have anyone else waiting, otherwise I'd be treating you horribly."  That "found it kind of funny" laugh is when they laugh at a situation that is so underhanded because any other emotional reaction will trigger their processing of guilt or accountability.

I've seen my exBPDgf do it constantly with me and others, a totally disjointed out of character "laugh" or "amusement/smile" when they should be exhibiting shame/guilt.   He crying now is because she doesn't have what she had anymore and humans easily lose appreciation for what is right in-front of them.  It sounds to me like she has no stock in the relationship other than someone to use until someone better comes along.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2014, 09:09:44 AM »

I hope you can listen to Hamakua.

Haven't you reported that the state of California has recently convicted her of a felony involving dishonesty--and even officially designated her as a person with "SMI" ("serious mental illness"?

Maybe you have yet to understand what all this means. You would not be the first person to experience this profound confusion. . . . If so, the Lessons on this forum, and the concept of "radical acceptance" are great places to turn.



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