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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: November 02, 2014, 07:29:47 AM »

It's been 2 months since the end of a relationship I was in for about a year.  The last 5 months of the r/s were pretty intense, albeit it was not a 'normal' relationship.  I say not normal because although we spent time with each other weekly, there was no connection when we were not hanging out with each other - no agreed upon commitment.  No interaction in each others independent worlds (ie. friends, family, no mutual goals, etc.).  Never the less, I still considered it a relationship as there was intimacy beyond the physical that was experienced and we did see each other regularly.

I am lucky, in some way, as I did maintain an independent life when we were not together.  Looking back, I did a lot on my own and continued to build a personal life without him being a part of it.  I think that is helping me detach a bit more easily, however, there are still moments when I realize I am not quite at the Freedom stage of detachment:

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Freedom: "You've reached this stage when thinking about your loss (or the thing you desire) doesn't interfere with your normal feelings of well-being. Desire, fear, and hopelessness are deeply embedded in our psyches, and we feel their pull whenever any remnant of attachment exists. We know that we've begun to achieve real detachment in a situation when we can contemplate what's occurring without immediately getting blindsided by these feelings."

In my situation, he left me, or more accurately, he withdrew completely in an immediate manner.  No contact, no response, no slow end.  He pretty much just disappeared.  I don't know exactly why, and can only guess, which has made any sense of closure a bit more difficult.  This leads me to one of the last remnants of my attachment to him - pride.

I am in therapy, and have been for about 5 months.  Lately, my T has mentioned that some of my comments seem to be related to my pride, which is why I wanted to hash this concept out a bit here.

If, by definition, pride is "a feeling that you respect yourself and deserve to be respected by other people" (Merriam-Webster), I have to agree that my pride was affected.  I felt completely disrespected.  Another definition of pride is "a feeling that you are more important or better than other people".  This, to me, is a dysfunctional concept.

How does one build their self-respect back up after a break-up without going to the extreme of thinking you are better than others?

I find myself saying or thinking - 'How could he have left such an awesome person who loved him?  I'm much better than anyone he will ever meet.'  I can hear my friends saying 'you go girl' to that, which is sweet, but not helpful, really.  I hear my therapist calling me on those statements, which is helpful, as it makes me realize that it's not that I still want to be with him, but that I still have work to do on my self-respect.

What I'd like to know, regarding the final phase of detachment (Freedom), is what kinds of thoughts, feelings or self-talk would indicate that your pride is not affecting moving on and fully detaching?
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2014, 09:08:31 AM »

How does one build their self-respect back up after a break-up without going to the extreme of thinking you are better than others?

For me, the way to get it back is to try to get to a place of balance where I can acknowledge the good and the bad. Some days that is easier than others. Instead of thinking that I am better than anybody, I try to focus on the fact that I am different. I have different ways of thinking and being. It also helps to realize that everyone has strengths and everyone has failings.

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I find myself saying or thinking - 'How could he have left such an awesome person who loved him?  I'm much better than anyone he will ever meet.'  I can hear my friends saying 'you go girl' to that, which is sweet, but not helpful, really.  I hear my therapist calling me on those statements, which is helpful, as it makes me realize that it's not that I still want to be with him, but that I still have work to do on my self-respect.

This is what I try to focus on thinking. Again, I am more successful some days than others. "Yes, I am an awesome person and have a lot to offer. However, it is obvious that we are NOT awesome when we are together." I think it is a bit like being a kid. You may not want this thing but you sure as hell don't want to see other kids playing with it either. It is a bit of emotional immaturity.  Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) I can respect myself without putting others down. I tend to respect myself most when I can acknowledge that I am awesome while still acknowledging that other people are awesome too. '

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What I'd like to know, regarding the final phase of detachment (Freedom), is what kinds of thoughts, feelings or self-talk would indicate that your pride is not affecting moving on and fully detaching?

I think that being able to acknowledge the good and the bad in the relationship without trying to latch on to either one is what it will take to fully detach. Pride gets in the way when you still have an overly self righteous or holier than though attitude. This reminds me of something my dad told me one time. My mother has BPD or some kind of undiagnosed mental problem and can be almost impossible at times. My dad says that every now and then he has to do something really stupid to knock himself down a peg. No matter what condition our partners do or don't have, they are still human beings and so are we.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2014, 09:31:18 AM »

I hear your overall message - balance.  Yup.  If we can recognize the limiting thoughts as they occur, and move towards a more balanced view, that seems to be a start.  I wasn't even aware of the pride thoughts until my T started pointing them out.

"Yes, I am an awesome person and have a lot to offer. However, it is obvious that we are NOT awesome when we are together."

This is helpful to me, and something I always bring myself back to, thankfully.

I can respect myself without putting others down. I tend to respect myself most when I can acknowledge that I am awesome while still acknowledging that other people are awesome too.

Good perspective!  Smiling (click to insert in post)

I think that being able to acknowledge the good and the bad in the relationship without trying to latch on to either one is what it will take to fully detach.

I was thinking about a time when I realized I was finally detached from a previous partner, the one who I was with when I first found this site.  I saw a new photo of him on his daughters facebook page (I am still 'friends' with his kids).  What struck me when I saw the photo is that I was indifferent to seeing him.  I didn't have good or bad thoughts about 'us', and I felt so distant from the fact that we ever were in a relationship.  I'm not sure if indifference is exactly where I want to be, as I would like to be able to enjoy the good memories of my most recent relationship while making sure what I learned from the not so good does not escape me going into my next one.
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