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Author Topic: New here... any insight on our situation would be appreciated  (Read 548 times)
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« on: February 26, 2015, 10:25:07 PM »

Hi all, this is my first post here. Sorry it's super long, I'm working through a lot of feelings and could use some insight/support/advice.

This is all in regards to my on-again off-again boyfriend of 1.5 years. We are both in our mid-20s. He has never been diagnosed with BPD (and I hope this doesn't make me unwelcome here), but I am very familiar with the disorder and find a lot of his emotions and behaviors to be similar to someone suffering from it. He has been diagnosed with PTSD & bipolar at different times, from very short-lived attempts at therapy in the past. Ironically, I am the one who has been diagnosed with BPD- again, I hope I'm not making myself unwelcome here. After years of searching for the proper therapist & medication, I no longer fit the diagnostic criteria (so yes, there is hope! I can confirm that recovery is possible!) I'm not going to pretend that I'm 100% cured. I still struggle with some negative thoughts, and I don't always behave the way I'd like when I'm in distress, but I think that can be said for everyone! Smiling (click to insert in post)

I'd like to preface by saying I have no intentions of leaving my partner. I know what I am describing does not sound ideal or heathy, but is that truly possible with two mentally ill individuals? I may be focusing on the negative aspects, only because I need support. Things are not always terrible. When he is "stable," we discuss openly and honestly discuss our future together which seems very tangible at the time. He has told me on countless occasions- and he is not the most open or emotional person- that he could never see himself spending his life with anyone but me. Mainly because I put up with his ___, I believe. But we complement each other so effortlessly. We are disgustingly codependent; I need to need, while he needs to be needed. But we are self-aware and accept these aspects of ourselves.

Obviously this euphoria eventually comes crashing down. I'm all too familiar with this. When he breaks up with me via text, offering no explanation and blocking my number, only to drive me into a panic calling him 25 times in a row, he'll eventually tell me I did the "right thing." I get it. I played that game all too well. I always wanted someone to need me that badly. Stalk me like prey, beg. When he tells me he cheated on me, just to "test me and see if that would make me leave," I get it. All the mind games, the power struggles, constantly making sure they really won't leave you. It would be the downfall of all of my relationships; turns out I hate being in a position of power. But I get it.

Our temperaments are completely yin & yang even without our disorders; while I am cheerful and emotionally explosive, he is one of the coldest and unfeeling beings I have ever encountered. Yet when he is "stable," he sometimes works past his reluctance to open up and tells me where his behaviors are coming from. He has a huge fear of abandonment. He's told me that any hint of rejection or perceived abandonment and he will leave me in a second. He needs to feel "needed," and in control of the relationship. Any time that he feels that I'm getting some sort of power in the relationship he'll pull some kind of messed up stunt to bring me down, because in his mind, as soon as I have any kind of control I'll hurt him. And this, I understand.

What I don't understand is what seems to me like a fear of engulfment. I understand the "pull," as I have done my fair share of that, but not the "push." There will be days, weeks, sometimes even months where he doesn't speak to me. This is quite unlike the times when he goes away while saying something hurtful; then it is pretty clear to me that he is crying out for attention. In those situations, he returns within a few days. This seems to last longer, and begin out of the blue. At first I considered that perhaps it was a depression sort of thing. I know that when mine flares up, I avoid repeated calls from even my family and close friends. But it has been 2 weeks, and I have called him multiple times a day. I know that the rational thing to do in this situation is to give him space. But this is really playing on my lingering abandonment fears. He's always come back, but I can't help wondering "What if this time he doesn't?" We've never really discussed it much, to be honest, outside of both admitting and accepting that we have deep-rooted emotional masochistic/sadistic needs. By the time he is speaking to me again, I'm so relieved that I don't want to stir things up.

I'm certainly not trying to virtually diagnosis him, or anything of the sort. There's clearly some deep issues going on there that even he can't quite get to. I do feel that many of his behavioral patterns and thought processes are similar to mine were before recovery, although I could be projecting. I've just never personally dealt with this sort of extreme silent treatment or emotional pushing away. Hoping (for my sake, certainly not any of yours) that someone has been a similar situation ... I'm regressing quite a bit, and could use some advice. Sorry again for writing a novel!
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2015, 09:17:30 AM »

  Welcome pepsicolaa, I'm glad you found us. So many of us have been through tumultuous relationships, similar in many ways to your own. It seems like you've spent a lot of time in self reflection, learning and understanding about BPD. Please take a look at the lessons on the right side of this page and there are additional searchable topics in the articles archive under the Answers section (above) on silent treatment, codependency, and depression.

We are sorry that you're suffering though the silent treatment and your boyfriend's fear of engulfment. Please keep reading and posting. Many of us have been in your situation and we'd like to help.   
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2015, 09:28:49 AM »

 



Pesicolaa,

I'm glad you are here!  I want to join Cat Familiar in welcoming you.

https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=56206

Here is a link to the lessons if you can't find them over on the right... .

Looking forward to seeing your next post... .tell us what you think of the things you read in the lessons.

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2015, 09:40:01 AM »

Hi, and welcome. It is great that you have had treatment for BPD and have insights to the condition. This is a great success. It is not unusual for two people in a relationship to have to be working on their own issues. Your willingness to consider both yours and your partners is commendable.


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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2015, 10:01:49 AM »



Hi pepsicolaa,

I'm quite new as well but I do want to tell you that yes, I've been there with my uBPDexbf.  He too is not diagnosed, and our MC said uBPDexbf did NOT have BPD but a combo of NPD/BPD traits.  I think MC was minimizing it a bit and also not trained in PD, because after reading around this site, it would be hard to deny it. 

Anyway, my then BF too would shut down, tune me out, give me the silent Treatment.  It was like he couldn't cope, so would run away.  Like he hoped he could stay gone long enough for me to forget the conflict we were trying to work on and stay away long enough that he thought I'd forget and just focus on being happy to see him again.  Like if a kid wandered off long enough that mom gets frightened and forgets the original anger she had and is only consumed with gratitude and excited to see the kid again.  (This is not how I responded to his silent periods, but this is what it seemed like he was trying to recreate).

I had a habit of telling him that now that he had time to cool off, we could resume our discussion. He never allowed this. This would piss him off, he would pick a fight and then find a reason to get angry at me.  I feel this was a strategy of his to distract him from ever having to deal with issues. 

So with each additional silent treatment, as time went on, they got longer and more extreme.  Once he didn't talk to me but pleasantries of hello/goodbye for 2-3 whole wks straight.  Once to punish me he didn't even say hello to my S for over a month! (We live together.)

Thankfully, our T was able to gently talk about this with him.  T painted a visual description of an island that BF goes to that has a big moat, no one allowed.  Got BF engaged with a discussion agreeing and confirming this behavior of his.  Then in later session explained that the silent treatment is parallel to physical abuse in its damage and not ok at all.  BF does not want to be painted bad so agreed.  T said BF can go to his island if he needs to but he needs to put a time cap on it, state it, then come back.  So it worked!  BF would state he needed space for three hours, took it, then would announce he was back, or slowly rein gage.

Well, it didn't work for long.  As BF still had strong desires to escape, he knew he couldn't go to his island for more that 24hrs, so instead he'd rage, pick a fight, paint me black and stay engaged in thinking I was bad and treating me like a source of his issue.  As things progressed, he would just get so frustrated and declare us "broken up" meaning that the island rules no longer applied, so he would take his "breaks" as long as he needed.  He would often break us up because he couldn't tolerate behaving within relationship guidelines.

This eroded the relationship greatly.  We have been broken up over 6 months now and he still looks for ways to pull away and escape.  Idk what the heck he is escaping from when there is nothing left for him to destroy!  We barely talk, but he makes gesture still of pulling away.  He will confine himself to his bedroom, to one half of the house, try to schedule his time in the house when I'm not there.  I don't get it.

Wow I went on forever.  I hope I didn't hijack this.  I hope that was helpful! 
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