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Author Topic: Finally enforced a boundary. He has left for a week, maybe more.  (Read 1461 times)
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« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2015, 07:23:36 PM »

Reminds me of the motto leading you to the lessons on the staying board:

"Before you can make anything better, you must stop making it worse."

Sometimes silence (no contact / minimal contact) is the kindest thing you can do. Even though he will probably jump to a conclusion that you are rejecting him / hate him... .better that than for you to say things that confirm it directly!
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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2015, 01:02:45 AM »

We had a really good talk tonight.  Our neighbor invited my daughter and I over for Easter dinner knowing our situation and sent me home with a ridiculous amount of leftovers so I took a deep breath and offered it to my husband and then delivered it.  I didn't want to go in but I did for a short time and I'm relieved that he said some things about being somewhat relieved himself at this "break".  He seems accepting that we need this time to both heal.  One interesting thing.  He visited with his Dad today.  We both believe it was his Dad's severe abuse when he was a child that is the cause of his BPD (his Dad actually beat him into a coma when he was 16 years old... .).  As his Dad's health and eyesight have deteriorated, my husband and his sister have had to take shifts taking their Dad grocery shopping and taking care of other things for him.  I have often expressed my inability to understand how it seems my husband is still begging for his Dad's approval after so many years of abuse but my husband always says he has forgiven his Dad.  But today, he totally snapped on his Dad and treated his Dad (in public no less) the way he had been treated as a child, speaking very harshly to him and getting stares from strangers.  Then he went off on his Dad... .saying that he had no right to treat him so horribly as a child and that now he's an adult he's dealing with some pretty severe mental illness over it and now may lose his family.  They ended up having a good talk in which his Dad talked about how he respected me for staying by him for so long... .and more.  Shocking since he treated me so dismissingly over the years and I strongly felt he disliked me greatly because I'm the only  one who dared argue with some of his awful opinions. LOL  I don't know if this is a breakthrough for my husband or more evidence that he's cracking... .
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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2015, 08:40:06 AM »

This is pretty amazing news, the way I read it.

He's getting new levels of awareness, and processing old feelings he'd stuffed in the past. Doing really hard and important work.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

However... .as somebody who has done some of that hard and important work myself... .and watched people who are doing it, I gotta warn you that it is hard. And stressful. And he's going to have to use the coping skills he has, some of which aren't very healthy, and some of which get aimed straight at you if you let them.

In other words... .he's not going to get easier to be around in the short term by doing this kind of growth and work. If he continues, it will be two steps forward, one step back, with occasionally falling flat on his face, and screaming about how unfair the world is that it tripped him.

So support him, care about him, and stay ready to enforce boundaries to protect yourself if he gets angry, or verbally abusive toward you. (As you get better, you may be able to enforce a boundary and get space from him before YOU are completely triggered... .and possibly before he is too.)

As they say on airplanes: Put you own oxygen mask on before assisting others.

    Please understand--I really do think this is incredible progress on his part, and I'm very hopeful for your chances to repair things with him. My cautions here are to encourage you to keep doing the best possible things you can for yourself, for him, and for your marriage!
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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2015, 08:58:48 AM »

That was exactly how I was feeling, Grey Kitty.  :-)  At first I wasn't sure whether the snapping at his Dad (nothing like that has happened in the 15 years since I met my husband) was a positive thing or more evidence that he is cracking even more... .

We are in agreement that not living under the same roof for now is a good idea.  Actually, that was equally surprising to me last night. I don't know what that's going to look like in the long run as he has the use of our friend's place for another week.  We talked about renting a room somewhere if we can find one cheap enough to alternate weeks, giving each of us a place to stay while the other stays in our home with our daughter.  We did talk about setting up a bed in our basement rec room but I don't see that as much more helpful as we would still be in the same house, exposed to each other's moods which are both raw right now. 

I know it may be the roughest part of the whole past 9 years coming up while he digs into his stuff.  He and I have even talked about that for months now, and I am so glad it happened now (separation).  We both know that there's a good chance his dysregulations could get worse and cause more damage to the possibility that we'll make it for the long term. 

I'm feeling pretty raw still, but definitely more positive than I was a week ago. :-)
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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2015, 10:25:39 AM »

That was exactly how I was feeling, Grey Kitty.  :-)  At first I wasn't sure whether the snapping at his Dad (nothing like that has happened in the 15 years since I met my husband) was a positive thing or more evidence that he is cracking even more... .

I see it as the facade cracking open, and real issues getting closer to the surface.

It is a necessary step for healing... .but who knows what will happen next. He could decide to repair the facade, or to work on stuff below. Allow him space to do it his way.

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We are in agreement that not living under the same roof for now is a good idea.  Actually, that was equally surprising to me last night. I don't know what that's going to look like in the long run as he has the use of our friend's place for another week.  We talked about renting a room somewhere if we can find one cheap enough to alternate weeks, giving each of us a place to stay while the other stays in our home with our daughter

I once heard of a couple that divorced and felt that it was unfair to shuttle the kids from one house to the other--they didn't mess up the marriage, so they shouldn't pay the (logistical) cost. I believe what they did was maintain the larger family home... .and I think they got not one but two smaller places to live, for the parent who didn't have custody that week. It would be possible to do it with only one bachelor pad... .but more challenging!

The parents had to schlep their stuff back and forth or duplicate stuff, instead of the kids.

I thought it was a creative and admirable solution. I don't believe either parent was mentally ill either. That isn't your situation... .here are a few of the issues I see for you, which are worse with the cheaper version. (one apartment + house)

1. You and he would both need to trust the other with your belongings and privacy. Roadblock #1: He's prone to dysregulation... .dunno if his impulsive/raging behavior tends to destroy property, or if you are afraid of that. Roadblock #2: I'm assuming that you wouldn't do anything like damaging/taking his stuff or snooping... .despite this many pwBPD get very suspicious of their partner. His (unfounded) fears could be triggering for him.

2. You have a somewhat stressful time where you are likely to run into him while transitioning in/out of the house at the same time.

3. For the house/apartment solution, neither of you has a place that is 'safe' and 'yours'.

One other thought... .I don't know how you will be sharing custody of your daughter, whether it will be 50/50, 75/25, or what... .but it will impact your choices. (For example if you typically end up spending 6 nights a week with your daughter, and he typically spends 1, you might get away with crashing at a friend's place that one night a week for quite a while... .but he might need to rent a room/apartment.)

This has to be a triggering thing to discuss, so if you can avoid discussing it, that is a very good thing.

Whatever you start doing is setting some sort of a precedent... .and that will be important if you do end up in a legal battle over custody. Please post a topic about this on the legal board... .the senior folks there seem to be very smart, very experienced, and very practical, and will help protect your interests. If you lay the groundwork to provide the best possible environment for your daughter now, and things go bad later, it could save you and your daughter a LOT of time, energy, pain, and money... .and you may not need to do anything that would be provocative  and risk your chances for reconciliation. Knowledge is power.
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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2015, 01:05:25 PM »

You're right, I do need to think about long term legal implications just in case. I know another couple like the one you described who keep the kids in one home and take turns so that's kind of where I got the idea. 

I do have concerns about the possibility of his dysregulating about us being apart. He is even now making comments about being afraid that I am dating.  I reminded him that I am in our home with our daughter and quite frankly, he is alone in a house and has much more opportunity to step out than I do.  Our home is in a pretty close knit townhouse complex too so even if I wanted to (and I don't) have company, they would notice. LOL  That fear of him "snapping" has also kept me not just locking the front door at night but using the security chain just in case he has a bad night and decides to storm in.  I've even told him I did it and why and he actually validated my fears as real.  I figure if we do organize an inexpensive (we don't have a huge amount of money to spare to rent another place) we'll both be living out of a suitcase when we're there.  Heck, I've even thought of getting a monthly rate at a campsite now that the weather is improving.  We don't have a travel trailer but we do have a nice big tent and a really nice up off the ground bed that would work as long as we had power there and access to a real shower.  Something to think about.
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2015, 05:07:59 PM »

You're right, I do need to think about long term legal implications just in case. I know another couple like the one you described who keep the kids in one home and take turns so that's kind of where I got the idea. 

I do have concerns about the possibility of his dysregulating about us being apart. He is even now making comments about being afraid that I am dating.  I reminded him that I am in our home with our daughter and quite frankly, he is alone in a house and has much more opportunity to step out than I do.  Our home is in a pretty close knit townhouse complex too so even if I wanted to (and I don't) have company, they would notice. LOL  That fear of him "snapping" has also kept me not just locking the front door at night but using the security chain just in case he has a bad night and decides to storm in.  I've even told him I did it and why and he actually validated my fears as real.  I figure if we do organize an inexpensive (we don't have a huge amount of money to spare to rent another place) we'll both be living out of a suitcase when we're there.  Heck, I've even thought of getting a monthly rate at a campsite now that the weather is improving.  We don't have a travel trailer but we do have a nice big tent and a really nice up off the ground bed that would work as long as we had power there and access to a real shower.  Something to think about.

If he has validated your fears of safety then please be careful. Do you have a plan if he does snap and  come round to the house? It's good that he is trying to resolve things from his childhood, but this in itself may make things worse before they can get better for him.
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2015, 09:02:32 PM »

As far as a plan goes, I am sleeping with my phone next to the bed (something I never do normally), put the chain on the door and several neighbors know what's going on and know that I am a bit worried.
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