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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: April 22, 2015, 11:41:14 AM »

I have recently ended a relationship with a non-BPD girl.  Breaking up is never easy but its done I can't really say whose fault it is that we did not work out but I do think we both have closure and I fell easy about moving on and I think she does too.  

Now four years ago when my 13 year marriage to my BPDexwife ended that was a whole different.   First, of all it caught me out of the blue I truly did not see that coming.  Secondly so much carnage was made by her actions to me my children my family and friends that there are still lingering residual effects from it.  But thirdly she did not want me to get on with my life she wanted me to chase her even though she had a replacement.  Like a fool I did chase and tried get her back.  It did not work and she accused me of stalking her.  I stopped chasing but I still wanted to chase her I just would not allow myself to do it.  

Then one day I stopped wanting to chase her.  I did not tell anyone just something changed inside of me.  One would have thought that would have been the end of it.  I had gone no contact I not made an effort for several months.  There is no way she could know that I was done.  But she did know.  With in a week of my deciding I was done the efforts to re engage me into her life began.  They have not ended to this day they get more intense as time goes the.  The pleas the promises anything to get me to chase her again.  I have not had a desire to chase her and I have not chased her.  But its almost as if the day I decided I never wanted to see her again is the day she began sucking me back in, I think they call this "charming"  but I still wonder how did she know, I did everything to keep this from her and she still knew.  

Have any of you been through this.  
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2015, 12:43:29 PM »

"For this kind of woman, it's all about The Chase. A Borderline's sense of Self is predicated on her ability to manipulate your desire and emotions; when a seduction challenge comes to an end, so does her capacity to reinvigorate self-esteem--at least until the next elusive lover is found.

Dagwoodbowser, is your quote from a "hate" website? It seems to lack the transactional aspect of why these relationship get out of balance.

For all of us, the lure of the chase adds value.  It's the psychology of supply and demand, we generally value what we can't have higher. Its why playing hard to get works (if we don't overdo it).

A more realistic and less sensational explanation of the relationship dymnamics might be that pwBPD are emotionally immature.  Bowen defines immaturity as unrealistic expectations. pwBPD often have unrealistic expectations in relationships and when the honeymoon comes to an end (as in all relationships) and the first stage of reality come in, they start to become disappointed and disillusioned - far more than the norm.  Many relationships (all types) fail here.  The reality falls short of the expectations.

Many of the "BPD" relationship become really unbalanced at this point.  A pwBPD sells really hard in the beginning (oversells) and if we buy into it and then they start backing off in the first reality stage AND we respond by overpursuing, the relationship balance gets wacky.

How many of us were convinced we were "gods gift" to our partner and when they stepped back, we ran after them like bulls. Now the balance is shifted from low supply to over supply.  Our value dropped.

Relationships are transactional. Its important to look at the back and forth.

There is no way she could know that I was done.  But she did know.  With in a week of my deciding I was done the efforts to re engage me into her life began.  They have not ended to this day they get more intense as time goes the.  

People with BPD are generally know to be very perceptive and able to read others. Conversely, many of us are not skilled in this.  We have seen members reporting this mismatch for years.

We signal a lot of things in very subtle ways - others can pick up on it.  It might have just been you tone in the last contact, her knowing your reconnect patterns and cycles, etc.

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2015, 12:59:43 PM »

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One day you will detach keep trying.  I had not heard your theory but it seem like a one.

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She is more perceptive than I am but wow this still almost seems spooky.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2015, 01:43:49 PM »

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I had not heard your theory but it seem like a one.

Not really my theory. I've researched and googled just about everything seeking my own answers and some make sense to me, some dont and as I stated before, she's controversial. Hope you find the various responses you seek. If still in doubt, seek and ye shall find.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2015, 02:00:25 PM »

Dagwood

It may be controversial but after being married to a BPD for 13 years little fazes me.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2015, 02:17:58 PM »

Many of the "BPD" relationship become really unbalanced at this point.  A pwBPD sells really hard in the beginning (oversells) and if we buy into it and then they start backing off in the first reality stage AND we respond by overpursuing, the relationship balance gets wacky.

How many of us were convinced we were "gods gift" to our partner and when they stepped back, we ran after them like bulls. Now the balance is shifted from low supply to over supply.  Our value dropped.

Relationships are transactional. Its important to look at the back and forth.

This is really great info, Skip.  Thanks so much.  This feels very reflective of my feelings and experience of my being chased, and wanting to be chased, by HIM.  He was so good at the chase.  Better than anyone I'd ever experienced.  And how I would feel and act when he stopped.  Overpursue I would.  Until I wouldn't and then he'd start the chase again.  The relationship definitely got wacky.  That said, this dynamic has been true in so many of my relationships... .BPD and otherwise. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2015, 02:21:17 PM »

I was married a my ex BPD wife for 15 years.  I dedicated myself to bringing her through it.  I failed.  It was   not because of lack of effort, planning, or even strategy.  I failed because I took on something I never should have taken on.   Recently I just broke off my first post marital relationship.  This girl also had problems though I doubt she is BPD.   However in dating her for 7 months she never admitting to being wrong or ever saying I am sorry.  Neither did my ex wife.  Now all of us have problems but we admit them correct them and move forward.  BPD s dont do this they are never wrong they dont admit mistakes or say Im sorry.  If one can not admit to there mistakes they cant correct them and we cant do it for them.  We have to accept this.  Some people just dont want to be hepled.

I get the resentment... . you invested years in a family and have a lot of frustration and little gain.  15 years is a lot of time.

How is the relationship now.  How is the day to day coparenting?

How is your relationship with her now?  You
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2015, 03:08:10 PM »

Skip wow memory lane I barely remember that first post BPD marriage relationship.  Now I am out of another one.  Its funny the most marriage non BPD breakups still don't sting like that marriage did.

Now as for my ex, I try to do as little as possible with her.  She lives in some kind of fantasy land that I want no part of.  Though she has tried to reel me into it.  Or at least get me to be impressed with it I am not sure which.  We share custody and the oldest two children want to live with me full time and just have every other weekend visits with her, so more fights remain, and she does not understand.  She tries to buy there affection and it does not work.  As for me there are still days when I resent her but mostly I don't think about her, if we did not have kids she would be out of life for good.  I avoid her like the plague we do not co parent I do most of parenting and she just lives in her never never land.   
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2015, 03:14:04 PM »

we do not co parent I do most of parenting and she just lives in her never never land.   

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2015, 03:28:55 PM »

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Tell me about it.  One of the reason I do not spend much time thinking about her, or the events that my marriage ended, or about what she is doing now, is it maddening.  And life has alot going on now and I have to live in the now.  For all of those who is hurting so bad, one day you will move on and let go.  There was I time I never believed I would.  But I have.  I worry about my kids alot and try to be the best parent I can. 

I have had several relationships and I know a good one will come, and yes these breakups are easy compared to my divorce.  And I know what true emotional pain is and when someone has it just how bad it feels. 
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