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AryaSnow
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« on: May 01, 2015, 01:35:46 PM »

Hi All,

I've realized that something was off with my mom from a very young age. She utterly hated me at various points as I was growing up, particularly in my teen years. I've largely been NC from her and my grandmother who are very enmeshed and when I contact them expect me to be also. I've worked very hard with the help of a great therapist to begin to figure out my own boundaries and what I want (or do not want) out of my relationships with my mother and her family. It is hard to be distant and NC, but I have found distance essential for me to have any sense of my own identity and well-being.

I have been involved in a number of conflicts with my sister in law. I'm only now realizing that many of her manipulative behaviors that have bothered me for a long time might be part of uBPD in similar ways that my mother expressed growing up. I feel immensely triggered by her, and have long mentioned to my husband problematic incidents that are very troubling to me. In the past, he would brush them off or even enable her behavior. For example, I've struggled in saying no to requests from SIL to stay with us for long vacations in our house when I did not have the physical or emotional space to house her, and in the past saying no to her put a strain on my relationship with my husband--he would pressure me to give in to her wishes because it was easier than dealing with her responses to my boundaries. SIL's actions that make me uncomfortable are a range of boundary violations, from physical space (coming into the bathroom while brushing my teeth) to many TMI conversations that are far too intimate too fast on subjects like sexual encounters and family issues/gossip.

Recently my husband and his brother have started to see my SIL's behavior as more problematic in the ways that I had seen it earlier. My husband's brother's wife also has been treated very poorly by the SIL and has been wary of her for a long time, and she had a hard time convincing her husband anything was wrong. It is relieving on one hand to have some validation, but on the other hand I am really fearful of misdiagnosing bad behaviors and I am sad about the situation overall. I feel like talking about what I have experienced has convinced people that my SIL is problematic, and I don't want her to be seen in a bad light or judged, but I also want to be honest about my own experiences and try to understand what is going on. Everyone is currently worried about my SIL and know that interactions with her will be hard emotionally or troubling.

In the last month, I have been with my SIL more often than usual and had one blow-up when my husband and I refused to do exactly what she wanted (after she manipulated me into paying for a hotel room to share with her and my husband when we could have stayed with family), and she now wants to know exactly what I am thinking and feeling about her when I was distant/guarded following this blow-up during a recent weekend. I want to explain to her that she controls her own emotions, but she is really centering on me, blaming me for how she feels, and I think wants to be fully enmeshed. She constantly claims that I make her uncomfortable (when I disagree with her or acknowledge my own needs), that I upset and hurt her (when I do not talk to her/connect with her feelings enough), but also still sees me as an outsider in the family since we are not related by blood. She wants me to be fully responsive to her, but is also competitive and wants to be seen as more important than me in her family.

The biggest problem I face for both my mother and my SIL is that they constantly demand to know why I am not telling them how I feel when they can tell I am being distant. I have no idea what to say when I am thinking that they have uBPD and that their actions are selfish and worrisome because I know all too well that I will be punished for expressing myself or saying something they do not like. My husband tells me to just forget them and move on, but I am targeted by both my mother and SIL in ways that feel inescapable and I don't think he can see or understand. They know I can be emotionally present, and it feels like they are constantly pressuring me to help them, and to feed/enable them in ways that are disgusting and draining, but to resist their requests to be close and enmeshed is also really exhausting and difficult and makes me feel like a very closed and cold person.

My plan is to work very hard and consistently with my SIL to enforce boundaries, but after working hard to try to figure out my relationship with my mother, to again find another conflict with a BPD in my SIL makes me feel like I attract these sorts of people to me and makes it hard not to blame myself for our conflicts. Have other children of BPD parents found themselves in similar situations? How can you extract yourself after you realize you have let your guard down? And would it be advisable to tell my SIL that she reminds me of my mom who I suspect has uBPD?

I am also wondering how it is possible to talk about problematic behaviors without having concern be misinterpreted as character assassination, or to have my own boundaries misinterpreted as splitting. I worry that NC might be misinterpreted as abuse by the people with uBPD in my life, and it is a struggle to care for myself when I know that self-care is being misinterpreted and is a cause of suffering for my mom and SIL. I work hard not to resent my SIL and mother for their behavior, but it is also very hard to see self-centered patterns repeat over time. I have struggled to understand BPD as well as to trust myself and my feelings over the years, and I don't know when it is good to talk about all of this with my husband and his brother and when it might be better to let them have their own experiences and not label (or mis-label) SIL's interactions with me. I think part of this is that it can be difficult to talk about mental health overall, but the distinct pressures of BPD are also here as well.

Finally, I definitely struggle with anger and disappointment when I feel like I often am the only one who is seeing or recognizing manipulation in the moment that it is happening--it makes me feel isolated and worried that I am seeing things differently from others. Yet when I go with the flow and allow myself to be someone who gives in to manipulation, I feel worse. So I often feel caught in a Catch 22.

I look forward to hearing others' perspectives and experiences. Thanks so much for this forum.

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2015, 02:34:12 PM »

Hi, AryaSnow, and welcome to bpdfamily! 

I have a mother with BPD and understand a lot of what you are feeling. It's great that you are already getting some professional support--I found that tremendously helpful. The peer support here is also pretty outstanding. If you haven't already, you can start checking out the LESSONS at the top of the board. There are some great ones in there about boundaries and enmeshment. We also have a handy Survivor's Guide over on the right that outlines what the recovery process might look like (it's not necessarily linear).

One great thing is that our ability to heal and grow isn't dependent on whether the other people in our lives have a diagnosis, and how we see ourselves doesn't have to depend on how the other people in the lives see us. Could your SIL have BPD? Sure, it's possible. And if so, that could possibly help you understand how she sees the world and why she acts the way she does. In the end, though, I think what's more important is how you decide to respond to the behaviors you find troubling. Could your mother or SIL take offense to your boundaries or misinterpret your intentions? Absolutely--in fact, very likely if they have BPD. Ultimately, though, you don't have to convince everyone else to agree that you have a right to take care of your own feelings--you get to decide how you feel about yourself and your choices.

The biggest problem I face for both my mother and my SIL is that they constantly demand to know why I am not telling them how I feel when they can tell I am being distant. I have no idea what to say when I am thinking that they have uBPD and that their actions are selfish and worrisome because I know all too well that I will be punished for expressing myself or saying something they do not like.

What does your therapist suggest? What would it feel like to say, "I don't want to share my feelings with you," or "I'm not comfortable discussing that with you," and then end the interaction if they continue to make you feel pressured? It's not necessary to explain why you need a boundary or tell someone why you don't want to talk about something--it's enough to just decide you're not going to. Justifying, Arguing, Defending, and Explaining (JADE) your choices can contribute to staying stuck in a cycle of conflict. It does not make you a bad or "cold" person that you don't want to share your feelings with people you don't trust. You mention that you fear their punishment and retaliation. What does that look like in your family? In your husband's?

You also ask:

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My plan is to work very hard and consistently with my SIL to enforce boundaries, but after working hard to try to figure out my relationship with my mother, to again find another conflict with a BPD in my SIL makes me feel like I attract these sorts of people to me and makes it hard not to blame myself for our conflicts. Have other children of BPD parents found themselves in similar situations? How can you extract yourself after you realize you have let your guard down? And would it be advisable to tell my SIL that she reminds me of my mom who I suspect has uBPD?

Many children of BPD parents do find that we choose relationships with people who let us continue in comfortable roles (such as rescuer). Since we didn't learn healthy boundaries as children, we tend to allow all kinds of unhealthy behaviors from others and worry more about hurting someone else's feelings than taking care of our own. That does invite dysfunction into our relationships. It sounds like this SIL is your husband's sister (rather than, say, your brother's wife)--is that correct? Perhaps one of the reasons you and your husband connected with one another is because you both grew up in an environment with this kind of personality. Have you talked about your mother's BPD with your husband? How much does he already understand? Has he ever talked to a therapist on his own?

To address your last question in that quote, my observation is that it is usually not very productive to tell someone you think they have BPD. First of all, that's really best left to the professionals, and secondly, you can imagine it is not an observation that other people tend to receive well. It is not likely to make her go, "Oh, gee!  Idea No wonder I have so much conflict in my life, I'd better get myself some help."   So while you might find some comfort talking about the possibility with your husband, you might not find it as helpful to try telling her.

In my life, I find that if I am feeling really angry or resentful toward someone, it is usually because I have not been taking care of my boundaries. I feel better when I say no to things I don't want to do, for example. I have also had to learn to allow myself to have my own feelings--you can feel what you feel even if other people feel something else. I can have different boundaries than my husband does, too... .we are both adults and we can respect each other's differences. For example, sometimes I might say "Hey, I think I'll skip this family function. You can go without me if you want to." What would that feel like in your situation?

Wishing you peace,

PF
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2015, 11:03:48 AM »

Thanks so much, P.F., this is very helpful to me right now.

Yes, SIL is my husband's sister, and she is currently obsessing about my boundaries--asking others in our family to try to find out what I am thinking and intervene, etc. It's very difficult to hear that she sees my own boundaries as manipulating and that she thinks I am ignoring/hurting her when I want to un-emmesh.

"Punishment" usually consists of being told all of the ways that I hurt the other person, in a prolonged conversation that blames me for things that were beyond my control or in which I am told that qualities/essential parts of my personality about myself are hurtful to them, or bringing up old wounds that I thought we had already worked through or that I thought they had forgiven me for (but again, it's essentially things that just involve the way I am in the world that I can't help). It involves holding on to past resentments pretty closely. It's usually illogical also and does not fully add up rationally. And painful to go through. Usually all I can say is that I am sorry they feel that way, and to remind them to focus on the present, but that never feels quite right.
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