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« on: August 09, 2015, 03:38:04 AM »

I have been in many relationships with many different types of women.  I have been through break-ups in the past from long term significant relationships.  I have a significant dating history and have had many different experiences with al sorts of women.

I recently ended a relatively short 7 month relationship with my ex who my therapist claims is 100 percent BPD.  I don't know if that is the case, but based on everything I read and what he says, I believe it to be true.  For what its worth, I suspect she was also a drug addict.

Why do we obsess over them. I have had other failed relationships, many more substantial, but why is this one so hard.

I literally saw a woman today with another man, and had to go back 3 times to make sure it wasn't my ex, and its as if my mind is playing tricks on me and even though it wasn't her in my mind I think it was.

What is it about these relationships that make them so hard to move past.  Why am I so torn up and sad and hurt over someone that was so horrible to me, yet I still desire to be with.

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2015, 03:51:31 AM »

Hi bjm

I think we can all relate to this. it is only my personal opinion but i believe we become addicted to them. As strange as it may sound. Our bodies produce many chemicals and ones such as serotonin and oxytocin are released during the good times. The thing with BPD is you get a push pull relationship where one minute its bad and the next its great again. During the highs we have the feel good chemicals during the lows they are taken away and we crave another hit.

There are many other factors at play also. The mirroring makes us believe ee found our soul mate. Our own Insecurities leave us doubting ourselves. Our fear of being alone makes us question our self worth.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2015, 03:53:26 AM »

I have been in many relationships with many different types of women.  I have been through break-ups in the past from long term significant relationships.  I have a significant dating history and have had many different experiences with al sorts of women.

I recently ended a relatively short 7 month relationship with my ex who my therapist claims is 100 percent BPD.  I don't know if that is the case, but based on everything I read and what he says, I believe it to be true.  For what its worth, I suspect she was also a drug addict.

Why do we obsess over them. I have had other failed relationships, many more substantial, but why is this one so hard.

I literally saw a woman today with another man, and had to go back 3 times to make sure it wasn't my ex, and its as if my mind is playing tricks on me and even though it wasn't her in my mind I think it was.

What is it about these relationships that make them so hard to move past.  Why am I so torn up and sad and hurt over someone that was so horrible to me, yet I still desire to be with.

Hi bjm,

In my opinion I think its a few reasons...

1 - They broke down our self esteem with their put downs and rages. It is harder to be alone with low self esteem.

2 - gaslighting. Alot of BPDs have a way of making their partner question themselves. Hence you having to check 3 times that woman wasnt your ex.

3 - healthy people have a desire to understand things that dont make logical sense. Because BPDs behaviour doesnt make sense we try to understand it and what went wrong. Push pull behaviour love hate confuses us and we try to work it out. I think this is why alot of us cant stop thinking. Their behaviour doesnt make logical sense so we can never get closure other than realising they have a mental illness.


It must feel confusing that you desire her even though she was horrible to you. I think this is due to wanting her when you remember the idealising phase and not wanting her remembering the bad times.

You need to remember to love yourself first and that you deserve to be happy. Yes she may have been horrible but she is also mentally unwell. That does not mean you should be with them though.

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2015, 03:54:05 AM »

The strange thing is she told me that I was her soulmate and that she wanted to spend the rest of her life with me, that I was the best thing that ever happened to her... .

Why would you treat someone you feel that way towards so bad.

Its crazy but I'm almost convincing myself this woman I saw today as her even though it wasn't... .

Ive never dealt with anything like this... .
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2015, 03:54:19 AM »

I completely agree with everything enlighten just said. The roller coaster ride is annoying as hell... .But why can't we just get off of it?
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2015, 03:58:20 AM »

This is the only relationship in my life I literally walked away and never said another word.  No communication, no closure, I literally just had to walk away as the relationship was literally killing me.

I would tell her she was shattering my soul and breaking m heart to pieces and she just didn't get it... .

I want closure so bad, but it is impossible to obtain... .
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2015, 04:03:15 AM »

This is the only relationship in my life I literally walked away and never said another word.  No communication, no closure, I literally just had to walk away as the relationship was literally killing me.

I would tell her she was shattering my soul and breaking m heart to pieces and she just didn't get it... .

I want closure so bad, but it is impossible to obtain... .

I know how hard it can be bjm. Alot of us struggle with lack of closure. As you say she broke your heart and shattered your soul, you left a toxic relationship that wasnt making you happy and thats a good thing.

What sort of closure do you want?
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2015, 04:09:40 AM »

I want to know she hurts.  I want to know she misses me and is dying inside.  I want to know she know she ruined he best thing she ever had.  And I want her to look me in the eye and come clean on every one of her lies... .

And I want her to be sorry and say she is sorry.

Thats what I want.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2015, 04:11:45 AM »

Good question BJM


For me, it's linked to the idealization phase. She was so 'wonderful' that I shared things with her that I've never shared with another woman - she dismantled all my defence mechanisms and literally scorched my soul when the bad behaviour started. It also took a while for me to reconcile the paradox that my best ever girlfriend was also my worst ever girlfriend!   I really think we all suffer a bit from 'proximal insanity' where the push-pull and confusion that permeates their very being effectively rubs off on us.


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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2015, 04:19:04 AM »

The strange thing is she told me that I was her soulmate and that she wanted to spend the rest of her life with me, that I was the best thing that ever happened to her... .

Why would you treat someone you feel that way towards so bad.

Its crazy but I'm almost convincing myself this woman I saw today as her even though it wasn't... .

Ive never dealt with anything like this... .

At the time she probably meant it. Unfortubately pwBPD have an unstable sense of self so what they want one minute they may not the next. Also in the begining they have an idea of who you are. You are potentially the answer to their prayers. You are everything they want but as time goes on you fail to live up to their expectations. They somehow blame you for this as you have conned them by not being who they believed you were.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2015, 08:13:52 AM »

I want to know she hurts.  I want to know she misses me and is dying inside.  I want to know she know she ruined he best thing she ever had.  And I want her to look me in the eye and come clean on every one of her lies... .

And I want her to be sorry and say she is sorry.

Thats what I want.

She has BPD.  She hurts 24/7.  She's constantly searching for something that doesn't make her hurt.  What she doesn't realize is that she's the only one who can make that happen.  This is the cruel reality of BPD.   

Even if she were diagnosed and started therapy, it would still take her a while to realize that.  And therapy for a pwBPD hurts like hell.  I recently read an old post from A.J. Mahari, and something she said really hit home for me: "When I was borderline, my God, for so long I didn't get it at all and thought everything was everyone else's problem but when I did 'get it' in therapy and when I came face to face (around the age of 34 - over 15 years ago now) with how immature I really was it was like I was the last to know and I was devastated." 

This doesn't mean that you don't have the right to be angry as hell and to want closure and to know that she's hurting and missing you.  Believe me, there are days when I just wake up pissed off and wanting to text her a string of angry messages.  But you know what that would do?  Nothing.  Because she has the emotional capacity of a 3 year old, she's not going to understand that my anger comes from the deep hurt she caused within me. 

In terms of getting closure and getting an apology, you need to search inside yourself for closure and then realize that pwBPD don't really understand the concept of an apology and why it's needed.  Mine honestly didn't understand why people say "I'm sorry."   

Mine sent me a card a few weeks ago, and I first saw it as this amazing example of closure.  But then, I read further into it.  She apologized in it.  But do you know what she apologized for?  For not being the friend I thought she was.  That's it.  I now firmly believe that this is because she was dissociating during the times when she was raging at me.  She honestly doesn't remember saying those things to me.  She also said that I'm a major reason why she wants to get treatment, but that I should not try to contact her.  I honestly think that the only reason she sent me this card is because she was packing to move, found some things that she borrowed from me (object constancy) and was briefly reminded of the good times she shared.  As soon as those things were placed in the mailbox, there was a lack of object constancy, and she went back to me being "all black." 

In terms of her ever coming clean on her lies, it's widely believed that pwBPD firmly believe that their lies are the truth.  Therefore, they can't "come clean" because they don't think they have anything to "come clean" about. 

As enlighten me wrote, she probably did mean that you were her soulmate and that she wanted to spend the rest of her life with you.  Unfortunately, pwBPD can't hold on to that, and those thoughts come from an immature place anyway.  When I asked mine about this, she said, "I did want those things... .sometimes."  This was when she was at her lowest, one-on-one with me, in the psych ward, with no reason to lie, so I truly do believe her.  When she said that she wanted to marry me and that she pictured our wedding, she meant it.  She was picturing it.  But just as quickly, that picture faded.       
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2015, 08:00:39 PM »

Summerstorm, thanks for the response.

My ex literally told me she would have visions and premonitions of our wedding and our life together.  She went so far as to say she watched our life like it was watching a movie.  She saw herself pregnant with my child, and even went so far as to tell me the name.  She told me the month we would get engaged, the month we would be married, and the month we would have our first child together... .

Then she just let me leave... .Seems similar to your story.

This is nothing that I am used to, and does not feel normal... .
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