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« on: September 08, 2015, 11:48:02 PM »

I keep ruminating over the last thing I said. Because I only seem to attract crazy people, I am beginning to wonder if I'm not just projecting onto them. This guy seemed normal at first, someone I had been looking for. Then, he pulled away. I offered him an out, he strung me along some more by making me think we were good and that he just needed time. Two weeks go by. I contact him with something funny and light... .no response. So, I sent this message, my last message, two days later. It was probably the most heartfelt message I've ever sent anyone, and what's funny is that I hadn't realized he was BPD yet and I was already picking up on it, subconsciously, I just didn't know it, even talking about how we were alike (codependent and the flipside of borderline).

Sometimes I wonder if I had just stayed silent, if he would have not cut me out of his life like he did. Sometimes I wonder if he was a good guy and what I said scared him off because I can be intensely honest. Sometimes I wonder who is the crazy one. To me, my message seems heartfelt and to have not gotten a reply - and it is almost two months later - it stings. I only wasted two months of my life, but not having answers or closure still haunts me to this very day because I never thought the guy I had gotten to know or talk to every day would just make me think we were good, that he liked me, and then walk away like I was s**t on the ground.

I want honesty about my final message. Do I seem like the crazy one?

"Look, *name*. I'm not going to play this push/pull game with you. I've been there, so I know what's going on. Because I care, you push me away. If I treated you like s**t and was shady (the kind of girls you've probably always dated because they were "safe" and emotionally unavailable which usually means they are crazy in some way but they never made you uncomfortable because they truly never cared about you) then you would be contacting me.

Trust me, I've seen this in myself. I'm very self-aware. It's also why I felt comfortable being myself with you and why I made more moves than I usually do (our friends kept encouraging me to just go for it) = you're safe and emotionally unavailable, thus things wouldn't truly progress and subconsciously, I recognized this so I felt safe taking a risk with you. Yet, the guys that are texting me and wanting to take me out... .I'm like ehhhhhh, and avoid like the plague. Hahahaha. It's a b**ch. We're very much alike and I knew that the night we had that deep conversation and got real with each other. It's a cycle. To break it, we both - since we like each other - have to see it and understand why we do it, and work to fix it.

We're both scared, but we are showing it in different ways. I'll admit it, it's scary to be vulnerable with someone and we are both too broken from our pasts to dive into something that ultimately puts us at risk. We'd rather date people who can never give us what we need and play it safe, forever dooming ourselves to crazy b**ches and psycho a**holes, instead of going against the grain and dating someone that makes us uncomfortable for all the right reasons. THIS is why I've been single for 3 years. I saw the pattern, understood why I did it, and have worked very hard to change the kind of man I date.

It means you have a big heart and it has gotten crushed several times. As a way to cope, you subconsciously condemn yourself to women that will continue the cycle and hurt you because they don't care and don't pressure you, you feel safe, open up, and then BOOM. They rip you to shreds. This is all of my relationships in a nutshell. It's probably yours too.

So, what I'm saying is... .I'm a very open and honest person and I don't want to scare you off, I just want to be myself with you and I want you to be yourself with me. I'm very passionate as my guy friends say, but it's because life is short and you've got to take chances, and for once in my life, I feel like I've found someone as good-hearted as me, and I would be stupid to just let you drift away without trying to tell you this.

I understand it's scary. But, if you'll work with me, I would like to see where this could go because there is definitely something between us.

If you don't respond, I will go on about my life, make peace with it, and ultimately wish you the best. I just had to take this chance."

The guy that said he was afraid I'd leave once I saw his demons... .walked away from me when I extended my heart and my hand. If that doesn't make you question your worth and your sanity, I don't know what will.

I wish I knew why true love is so hard to find. Some days I'm afraid I'll eventually give up after continually trusting people like this and having what little trust I have left... .squashed beyond belief.
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2015, 12:24:45 AM »

Do you feel like you might have a tendency to over-share?

I sent something similar to this to my Ex, after a 6 year r/s and two kids. I didn't get ST, but denial, projection, and ridicule. "Silly me for being honest," I thought at the time.

Maybe this was too much, too intimate? He wasn't "there" with you. Maybe he didn't want to be challenged. All in all, probably not a good emotional match.

Sometimes it may be hard to slow down and find out who someone really is. I don't like it in that it seems like game-playing to me, but letting others show you who they are organically is probably more natural and safe.
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2015, 08:54:15 AM »

Do you feel like you might have a tendency to over-share?

I sent something similar to this to my Ex, after a 6 year r/s and two kids. I didn't get ST, but denial, projection, and ridicule. "Silly me for being honest," I thought at the time.

Maybe this was too much, too intimate? He wasn't "there" with you. Maybe he didn't want to be challenged. All in all, probably not a good emotional match.

Sometimes it may be hard to slow down and find out who someone really is. I don't like it in that it seems like game-playing to me, but letting others show you who they are organically is probably more natural and safe.

One of the qualities I now look for in someone is the ability to be 100% myself and honest with them. I want them to feel the same about me. Right before his uncalled for ignoring of me, we had just had a deep, intimate conversation and when I said I would back away a bit, he began actually revealing that he liked me, liked where it was going, thought we had something good, didn't know how much time he needed, and didn't want to hold me back. Kind of a lot of mixed signals, but in the end, he said he still wanted to talk like we had been, regardless of what was best for me... .so generous... .because I told him I couldn't invest in someone who couldn't invest in me.

Sadly, my heart was already there. We talked every day. I should've known it wouldn't be easy to just forget him and back off. So, I thought he might be waiting on me to set the tone since he was silent for two weeks... .sent that first friendly message... .ignored. I sent the final message after I had given him two days to reply. The longest he'd ever waited was a day, so I knew he had cut me out, deep down, though I didn't want to. That's when I sent the final message. I was hoping the guy who acted fine and said he liked what we had would reappear.

Just a few weeks after talking, we had an intimate conversation. Probably more than I revealed to anyone. Probably the honeymoon stage. But, so did he. He even said during our talks that it was the sweet stage and it's all about "seeing if we can handle each other's crazy." I guess that's why I was hoping to get through to him. He hadn't been opposed to honesty in the past.

Well, from what I've heard and seen online, he has become a raging alcoholic so much so that his friends that he still converses with are a little worried. He had actually calmed down a lot. This makes me wonder if the new replacement, whoever she may be, is one.

All in all, I think you're right. He hasn't had many relationships. I was stupid to think that I would help or show a man love that says things like:

- It's the sweet stage right now

- It's about seeing if we can handle each other's crazy

- I'm afraid you'll leave once you see my demons

- I've never let a woman completely in

- She's (me) too smart

- I never know what I want

For him to have ignored me, my friend, and her husband (his friend of years), it makes it more real that it's the disorder. No normal person just cuts half his friend base off without explanation. Sometimes, I wonder if it was because they kind of set us up. Sometimes, I wonder if it's shame, knowing how he treated me, their friend. We are painted black.

I'm afraid that when he comes back, I'll be painted as they crazy one, when all I was trying to do was be honest and loving, which is what I look for in a partner.

At least, our friends are seeing his true side now. They admitted the other day that he'd disappear over the years, to pop back up like nothing happened. Now that he's completely ignoring everyone's messages and calls... .they are seeing the BPD rear its ugly head.

I was trying to do that and I guess I should have just ended it all together. He would sabotage the one date we had set up and would only say "let me know when you're free" when I finally told him I was done making moves, to which he said "I asked you on a date!" The date he sabotaged. It was getting old, quick. I was wanting to get closer like a normal person. I guess you could say he was showing his true colors. I never knew how he felt unless I had upset him, or I had to pressure him. A woman shouldn't have to ask... .hey, where is this going? Or, she shouldn't be there in the first place because obviously the man has no intentions of taking it anywhere.

I remember in the beginning that he told me it takes him a while to warm up to people, so I guess when he pretty much said he was warming up to me and we got closer... .and he put the breaks on... .it really confused me and that's why I couldn't understand his sudden coldness.

I've been single for 3 years. By the looks of it, I probably need 3 more years of inner work before I can even fathom dating again.  :'(

I was doing so good before this m*****f*****.

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2015, 10:51:17 AM »

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Sometimes I wonder if I had just stayed silent, if he would have not cut me out of his life like he did. Sometimes I wonder if he was a good guy and what I said scared him off because I can be intensely honest. Sometimes I wonder who is the crazy one. To me, my message seems heartfelt and to have not gotten a reply - and it is almost two months later - it stings. I only wasted two months of my life, but not having answers or closure still haunts me to this very day because I never thought the guy I had gotten to know or talk to every day would just make me think we were good, that he liked me, and then walk away like I was s**t on the ground.

There was probably more to it than what you said but even if it was you shouldn't feel bad. I had a similar fear because during one of my last convos with my ex my anxiety got the better of me and i ended up being more serious than i normally am. I said a lot of things like "i care about you so much, you dont need to put on a mask for me, any you is good enough for me" that kinda stuff and im usually a bit more reserved than that. Im sure that triggered her engulfment fears and led to in part the break down of the r/s. Anyways, i used to feel a lot of guilt about that but a friend told me something that really helped me get over it so hopefully it will help you. He essentially said "look once you are in a r/s there is really no good moves and bad moves, there is only you being you. If you open up to someone and that causes the r/s to breakdown that just means they couldn't accept you for you". Keeping silent wouldnt have been good because thats not the real you, you said you are very honest. If he couldnt accept the fact that you are intensely honest then that is his loss.

Best wishes,

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