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« on: October 14, 2015, 08:32:05 PM »

My BPDw just had a huge meltdown because we didn't have enough dog food for tomorrow. It was kind of funny. We were having so much fun. We went to get dinner and bring it home. We were about to eat when she went to feed the dog. After lots of screaming at me that the dog doesn't have enough food for tomorrow, she stormed out of the house to go get some dog food. Now dinner is cold. Nothing I said would calm her down. It was really kind of funny. Except all the yelling and name calling.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2015, 11:48:12 PM »

I never understand how something so little is the cause of such a huge reaction. So many times it's the same thing - some little oversight which will take all of 5 minutes to fix but she'll spend 15mins yelling at me about and it completely ruins her evening.

And yes - sometimes during the arguement I find myself kind of detaching and watching the conversation as if it were a sitcom. Funny, yet sad.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2015, 11:51:20 PM »

I also find it hard to validate during things like this... .

"Yes I can understand that running out of food would make you feel panicked - even though the shop 5 minutes away stocks dog food and is open 24hrs and if the dog skips dinner it's not really a problem... ."

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2015, 07:54:43 AM »

I never understand how something so little is the cause of such a huge reaction. So many times it's the same thing - some little oversight which will take all of 5 minutes to fix but she'll spend 15mins yelling at me about and it completely ruins her evening.

And yes - sometimes during the arguement I find myself kind of detaching and watching the conversation as if it were a sitcom. Funny, yet sad.

Same here. I find it hard to believe that people with BPD are emotionally processing at the level of toddlers, but it's easier to believe that when I see things like this in action. Spending 20 minutes screaming and pouting because of something that could be easily fixed in 5 minutes. A few of my 'favorite' examples:

My wife hates cilantro. We were at a Vietnamese pho shop, and she ordered a dish that came with a little cilantro floating on top. She started complaining that the bowl was "full of tons of cilantro," she couldn't eat it, it was my fault for not ordering it for her without cilantro (I didn't realize it was my job to order dinner for her), she never gets what she wants, dinner is ruined, etc.

I ended up having to take her bowl of soup and fish out her cilantro. There were still tiny flecks in the pho. She pouted about that, and I had to reassure her that they were minuscule, she wouldn't taste them, etc. She finally ate her dinner.

It was only when I was journaling this that I realized how this was exactly like having a little kid.

Another example... .

It was almost lunchtime. We were in the car, and I suggested we drive home and have leftovers for lunch. My wife dysregulated immediately. She was furious. There weren't enough leftovers. She didn't want leftovers. How could I have such a horrible idea? What made me think there was enough to eat at home? This is all being yelled at me while driving along, with our daughter in the back seat.

I said, "Fine! Forget it! We can go wherever you want for lunch." I truly didn't care that much. It was just a suggestion.

So did she pick somewhere to go eat? No. She made me pull over, and she began the inquisition. Why had I thought we would want to eat leftovers, and what made me think we had enough for all three of us to eat? What was my thought process that had led to this? She demanded I explain my reasoning for her to understand. And so on, for ten minutes. By this point, even our daughter was begging her to stop.

I ended up driving her home, dropping her off, and going out to get her take-out, because she wasn't able to be in public.

A normal conversation would have gone something like this, I imagine:

Me: "Let's go home for leftovers."

Her: "I don't really feel like leftovers."

Me: "Fine, what do you want?"

Her: "Let's go to X restaurant."

Me: "OK."

Elapsed time: 15 seconds.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2015, 09:49:31 AM »

Another example... .

It was almost lunchtime. We were in the car, and I suggested we drive home and have leftovers for lunch. My wife dysregulated immediately. She was furious. There weren't enough leftovers. She didn't want leftovers. How could I have such a horrible idea? What made me think there was enough to eat at home? This is all being yelled at me while driving along, with our daughter in the back seat.

I said, "Fine! Forget it! We can go wherever you want for lunch." I truly didn't care that much. It was just a suggestion.

So did she pick somewhere to go eat? No. She made me pull over, and she began the inquisition. Why had I thought we would want to eat leftovers, and what made me think we had enough for all three of us to eat? What was my thought process that had led to this? She demanded I explain my reasoning for her to understand. And so on, for ten minutes. By this point, even our daughter was begging her to stop.

I have had this more than a few times. I do not understand this at all. I end up yelling "It was just a f***ing suggestion!". Which is never ends good

Many times when someone asks what we fight about. I say it doesn't matter what the fight is about. When she wants to fight, she picks a million different things.

We were begging her to stop last night. It is a trigger for her. She starts yelling "don't tell me what to do". But it it just a natural reaction to beg them to stop.

P.S. The dog had enough food to last to today. I suggested I get dog food after we eat, or today. But she got really mad and said that was insulting to suggest that. It is really sad to live this way.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2015, 09:51:20 AM »

A normal conversation would have gone something like this, I imagine:

Me: "Let's go home for leftovers."

Her: "I don't really feel like leftovers."

Me: "Fine, what do you want?"

Her: "Let's go to X restaurant."

Me: "OK."

Elapsed time: 15 seconds.

That. That would be fantastic.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2015, 12:57:19 PM »



CrazyChuck,

How would the dynamic change if she went out for dog food... .and you went ahead and ate hot dinner... .instead of letting it get cold?

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2015, 03:05:02 PM »

CrazyChuck,

How would the dynamic change if she went out for dog food... .and you went ahead and ate hot dinner... .instead of letting it get cold?

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Her dinner was cold. I ate mine while she was gone. It wasn't as hot as it could have been. I was doing lots of "I understand that it is important to you for the dog to have plenty of food" and "I'm sorry you feel the need to go right now to get the food. How about we eat first and then go together to get the dog food for tomorrow". This was replied to with "You don't give a damn about me or anyone else, you're just a selfish a**hole" and "You can keep your BS apology". When she got back she was really angry and said ":)o you really think calling me names would help this situation?". I asked what names I called her. She replied with a long communication stream that I never said. I told her I never said any of that. Which she got up and threw over half her food in the trash. Called me a liar and got in bed. Then I got the silent treatment for the rest of the night.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2015, 03:25:16 PM »

 

Nice work eating your dinner... .

How would things have worked out if she said she wanted to go out for dog food and you just said... ."OK"?

Just trying to get a sense of the r/s dynamic...

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