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« on: October 18, 2015, 11:32:15 PM »

I'm bad at validating. But to try to get better I prefer real examples.

How do you validate this:

BPDw: I'm worried when you go away for 1 night on your "business trip" that you'll cheat on me.

Wrong answer:

Me: I would never cheat on you.

Wrong because it's dismissive. Tells her that her emotion is wrong.

What I think she wants to hear:

Me: I'm sorry. It would be horrible to not be able to trust your husband. And I can understand that my actions in our relationship have caused you to feel that.

But I'm really uncomfortable with that... .It feels like I'm admitting to being a bad husband.

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2015, 06:21:58 AM »

I'll put my hand up.

Your example is dropping yourself right in it. 

I believe healthy validation would go something like this:

BPDw: I'm worried when you go away for 1 night on your business trip that you'll cheat on me.

Me: I understand your worry. You don't have to feel so unsure because I love you very much and cheating on you is not something I would consider. I am going purely for business and you can reach me by text message if something urgent comes up but I will call you *** (when convenient) to let you know I'm thinking of you.

Hope that helps.  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2015, 06:39:59 AM »

Are you familiar with the practice of a " do over"? I agree that the your first response was wrong, but why not ask for a "do over", tell her you realized that you dismissed her feelings and start over. Words do matter, but sometimes "good enough" is perfect when coupled with authenticity. Ask her what she needs you to do help her feel at peace. Invite her to go with you once in awhile.

All that being said, there are many times in the day that I chose to ignore my hwBPD's accusations, I don't invalidate I just say nothing and go on about my business. At this point, it's good to have someone you can turn to to help you talk through how angry you are, same gender as you, by the way.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2015, 01:33:09 PM »

What I think she wants to hear:

Me: I'm sorry. It would be horrible to not be able to trust your husband. And I can understand that my actions in our relationship have caused you to feel that.

But I'm really uncomfortable with that... .It feels like I'm admitting to being a bad husband.

I think you're pretty well on-track with your response here... .maybe tweak it to be a bit less past-looking:

"I'm hearing that you're upset about my upcoming business trip, and I care about how you feel about these things; to feel like you cannot trust your husband while he is away must be truly awful; I would probably be sad, scared, and angry if I felt like I could not trust my spouse.  At the same time, this trip is necessary for my business, and I will be 100% faithful to you while I am away.  We can keep in touch via text and phone until I return."
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2015, 11:53:31 PM »

Well, I'm the odd one out, but I'd actually be very comforted, and would love the first response. I've brought up these issues with BPDh(at one point I had very real reason to fear he'd cheat, as he was telling me he wanted to have sex with other women), and got nothing. No reassurance whatsoever.

I guess I can somewhat see why you are saying the first response invalidates her feelings, but if I felt my husband would cheat, I'd love to hear "I'd never cheat on you". In that case, I'd want my feelings or fears to not be valid, and I actually used to wish that he'd say exactly what you said.

I do really think it's just the trick of learning how the person you love needs to hear something. I'd actually ask her what it is you could say that would be reassuring to her.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2015, 10:26:45 AM »

Good discussion  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

Some comments on various details:

I guess I can somewhat see why you are saying the first response invalidates her feelings, but if I felt my husband would cheat, I'd love to hear "I'd never cheat on you". In that case, I'd want my feelings or fears to not be valid, and I actually used to wish that he'd say exactly what you said.

well you want, you are able to regulate your anxiety and this is all good for you. A pwBPD however won't be able to do that so when the "I'd never cheat on you" comes the pwBPD will not be able to sense your sincerity but will perceive a misalignment, conflict and will only get more anxious.

Me: I understand your worry. You don't have to feel so unsure because I love you very much and cheating on you is not something I would consider. I am going purely for business and you can reach me by text message if something urgent comes up but I will call you *** (when convenient) to let you know I'm thinking of you.

"I understand your worry" is a bold claim. It is however not demonstrating understanding and can be invalidating. The "purely business" is unnecessary reassurance and may only raise suspicion. The text and phone is problem solving, too early at this stage and may benefit from simplification. It is a good idea to have some regular communication pattern - one with enough leeway to feel not on a leash when away - you have needs too! But first and foremost comes validation and communication promises are us providing some (weak) soothing where the pwBPD should do the self soothing of the core trust issue. By offering a solution we take the ball into our court when we should leave it in theirs. Leaving the ball in their court is hard. Exercise: Bite on your tongue at the end of your message  

When it comes to validation it is often best to

- avoid "I"

- be brief

A good starting point is to consider the situation from an emotional and practical perspective of the pwBPD:

- anxious

- history: Been cheated upon before etc...

- jealousy

- lonely

- other current stress factors

- self image

What is also important is whether this is a on-off problem or we are dealing with a constant nagging. Most likely it falls into the second category so not only do we need a response but we need something that works well for the next trips and as a broken record and with a boundary.

Most likely too strong: "This trip I don't have time cheating on you, I'm too busy cheating on my other 3 wives."    <bite tongue before opening mouth>

Maybe better: You are struggling to trust me. It certainly is not nice to be alone at home and anxious. <bite tongue now>

Her (escalating): You are planning to cheat

You: You had bad experiences in the past with X. You struggle to trust me now. I'm not cheating but I can not and will not prove it as this is impossible. My job requires travel. It requires me to be away and being with me it requires you to trust me. It is hard for you.

<this is trying to normalize, provide personal context etc. Not too complex as complexity breeds suspicion. It needs to be obviously true with no need for defending. It may or may not be heard >

Her (obviously not listening): I don't believe it

You: You struggle to trust me. This is your problem. <repeat as needed, preferably exit the stage asap.>
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2015, 12:53:33 PM »

Here is what would work the best in my relationship. It has about a 50/50 chance of working.

You are way too important to me. I am very happy in our relationship. And I would never screw it up by doing anything remotely like cheating.
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