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Freddie04
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« on: March 18, 2016, 03:28:06 PM »

This is my first post.  My son is married to someone with BPD.  I have suspected this for some time, but my son was able to keep it under wraps until her third pregnancy.  She did not want the pregnancy and threw him out of the house with his two daughters.  He asked me to help with her when she began talking about killing herself.  I am a counselor and thought I could calm her down, but was not prepared for the irate state I found her in.  Things did not go well when I recommended assessment at the hospital.  Professionally I know it was the right call, but this has caused me to become the bad guy.  My son has turned on me and I am no longer allowed to see my grandchildren.  She accused me of trying to have her locked up so I could get the children!  Things went from all well to no contact in one evening.  I know he is trying to keep his marriage together as he anticipates the birth of his son.  But I am left with grief and confusion over no contact for 8 months now, when I was such a solid part of the grandchildren's lives.  I know they must be asking where I am and can only imagine what they are being told.  It does not help to know about BPD and triangulation, etc... .  It only seems to make me feel more hopeless.   
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2016, 05:01:46 PM »

Hi Freddie04

I am sorry you are in this difficult situation and are feeling so hopeless. Not having any contact with your son and not being able to see your grandchildren isn't easy at all.

You say you already suspected your daughter in law has BPD for quite some time. What were the signs that made you think this?

Do you think your son also believes his wife has a disorder? You don't have contact with him now, but before that happened, how did your son explain his wife's behavior? Do you perhaps feel that he's in denial about the seriousness of the situation? (Perhaps as a way to cope?)

Take care and I hope to read more of your story later
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2016, 07:12:22 PM »

Welcome to the board, Freddie04! 

I am very sorry for this grief and pain that you are going through. I can understand how it does indeed seem rather hopeless. To make matters worse, you were between a rock and a hard place in recommending the professionally correct thing to do (and who wouldn't say that someone threatening suicide should go to the hospital?), knowing your chances of being seen unfavorably, or in taking the chance that she would actually follow through and kill herself.

He asked me to help with her when she began talking about killing herself.  I am a counselor and thought I could calm her down, but was not prepared for the irate state I found her in.  Things did not go well when I recommended assessment at the hospital.  Professionally I know it was the right call, but this has caused me to become the bad guy. 

How sad the situation where the children, or in this case grandchildren, become pawns in the game which the BPD plays.  :'( It isn't fair, and it isn't right to you or the grandchildren. Unfortunately we both know that fair doesn't exist in a BPD's world. It is all about them and their perception of rejection.

While we both know this situation you are in seems hopeless, I want to offer you some thoughts from my own experience. It's not from the perspective of being a grandparent with a BPD child or in-law, but it is from the perspective of being one of those grandkids that was no longer allowed to see her grandparents. I am a grandparent now too, and I cannot imagine not being allowed to see my dear little ones btw.

While growing up in a home with a uBPDm, my paternal grandparents were painted black. I heard it day in and day out. What would a small child do but grow up believing it, at least partially so, after hearing it for so many years? Fortunately I was allowed to see them until I was 12 years old, and they lived only one house away from me. There is much I do not remember about my grandma (she died when I was 12) except for a few good memories and then of course 'how awful she was' as portrayed by my mom. I think part of my memory blanks are due to the fact that I was a child living in my own world, trying to survive the abusive environment in which I lived, and also due to the fact that I was afraid and confused as to whom to believe. Do I believe what I see, or do I believe what I hear?

My paternal grandfather lived to be 98 1/2 years old, and thankfully I chose, about the time I turned 18 and left home for college, that I would not take on the belief system and grudges and bitterness of my uBPDm. I clearly remember saying to myself that life was too short to hate people. I reached out to grandpa and wrote to him through my college years. In fact, when I traveled to Africa to live for 8 months my jr year of college, my grandpa came to visit me. 

As your grandkids get older, they'll want to make their own choices. If you do your best to maintain contact with them, they will know that you care for them. A suggestion would be that as you look ahead, think of what you can do that will be hopeful and encouraging to you. While you may not be allowed to have contact, you can have contact in your own way by:

1. Writing them a letter on their birthday. Keep it in a journal for them for "someday."

2. Opening a savings account in their name with their SS#, and put $ in it for the future if you cannot give them gifts in person. They will be thrilled to receive it from you someday.

3. Send birthday cards each year. They will know that they have grandparents that they do not know very well, and they will wonder, yet they'll see that someone is thinking of them.

4. Keep a journal with photos of their grandparents (you). This way they will know that you think of them often and wish that things were different. You can share why you chose to try and protect their mom before their brother was born, and this will help to counter the lies that she will be saying as she paints you black. They need to hear your story someday.

I'm in T, and recently I've begun to visit with my aunts and uncles that we weren't allowed to see. I've also been asking questions of them this past year, things like: Were grandma and grandpa happy to have us as their first grandchildren? Did we get to go and see them when we were really little? Did they like us? Did they love us? (Us being my brother and I). It has become hugely important to me to know that I was important to them, that they loved me, because I was told that they were so mean. I needed to counter the lies.

As the authors of "Surviving a Borderline Parent" state:

"Now as an adult, it's important to look back and, as much as possible, sift through the past to discern your own thoughts, and feelings and to learn more about who the people were around you... .It's up to you now to make your own assessment as a somewhat detached witness who suspends judgment and deals only with the facts as much as possible."

My suggestions are not a fix-all, and I'm not trying to minimize your situation. There are other grandparents hurting like you. I hope this will be a way to help, at least a bit, and to help your grandchildren, no matter the amount of time you're not allowed to be in touch with them. Tell the story of your lives so you can one day share it with them. It will help fill the holes that will be there.

This past holiday season, I was given one of the best gifts ever. My maternal grandfather died when I was 16, nearly 36 years ago. I had begun to wonder this past year if he really cared for my brother and I. Did he love us? I thought he did, but I really didn't know. My grandma is still living, and when she sold her house, a distant relation asked me if I would like some of my grandfather's ancestry paper information. Of course I said yes. When the package came, inside was his wallet, the one which he carried up until the day he died. I opened the wallet, and inside was his photo holder. How great my joy to discover that he carried pictures of my brother and I, when we were little, ages 2 through 5, close to him for all those years. It brought me to tears because I saw how much we meant to him. It was a gift beyond anything else, and one which unequivocally answered my question.


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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2016, 08:44:39 PM »

Hi Freddie,

Woolspinner has given you some good ideas, I only wanted to add that I encourage you to keep the lines of communication open with your son let him know you are there for him if he should ever need you (no pressure to see him or the kids-just that you care and are available).

I come at BPD from another angle my SO (significant other) has an uBPDxw (undiagnosed BPD ex-wife).  He like your son was heavily buried in the FOG (Fear Obligation and Guilt) that his wife used on him to keep him.  My SO has his own personal code and he took his marriage vow seriously and took being a father seriously.  So for 17 years he tried to make things work, to repair all the damage she did to him, their kids, their finances, their life!  He took on all the responsibility of everything whether those responsibilities belonged to him or not.

Understand your son, like you is struggling with his BPDwife and doing the best he knows how to keep his family together.  You might want to check out the "Staying" Board to see the types of things he could be struggling with from the point of view of the folks like your son who are going through it.  I also encourage you to read all you can on the subject of BPD so you get a good understanding of what it is.  I originally hit the library and later bought a few books of my own.  It helped me really understand what I was dealing with and I actually began to see patterns in my SO's uBPDxw's behaviors (which seemed like a miracle at the time because back then it seemed like complete chaos to me).

One more thing I wanted to point out is the box to the right -->  Each item is a link to more information.  I suggest when you have time that you check out the "Lessons" section.

Hang in there, learn as much as you can, try to stay flexible regarding the situation, take care of yourself (maybe see a Therapist for support, coping tools, and ideas) and of course you are always welcome to come here for support.  

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2016, 08:25:09 PM »

Unfortunately I can completely relate to your heartbreak, only its my own daughter's untreated BPD which has created my alienation from my 2 grandsons. She is 28, was diagnosed at age 14, has 2 boys with 2 different fathers & is currently married to another man with a past prison incarceration. Along with watching my daughter's disorder spiraling out of control, we have most recently also become aware that is emotionally affecting the children in some very concerning ways. This became obvious as the children became older and more vocal. Each time any of us stepped in to question my daughter about a concerning event, she would cut off all contact with the children. This emotional blackmail using the kids as pawns began about 3 years ago and has progressively gotten worse and for longer periods of time. All of us are extremely close to both children speaking and seeing them regularly, so these no-contact periods rip at our heartstrings and that gives my daughter exactly what she wants:  vengeance for exposing her bad behaviors. My role in this is ever more challenging as I continue the struggle of trying to find a way to help my daughter while protecting my grandchildren from her emotional abuses. Her husband ALWAYS goes silent during these periods supporting her and also ignoring the importance of the kids' relationships with each of us. There are many times I feel like I cannot get through another day like this. I have found some creative ways of getting messages to the kids through their teachers, iPads, & when they see their biological father, but mourning the loss of my relationship with them happens the second my eyes open each day. It's a new heartbreak on top of the heartbreak I've been experiencing for over 15 years with my daughter.  I'm so sorry you are experience this level of sorrow as well.
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