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« on: April 22, 2016, 04:10:23 PM »

Perhaps the best, most enlightening post I have ever read on what BPD, and my role with my exGFuBPD, is really all about.

I have read this many times. It's worth the read.

I actually shared this with my exGFuBPD.  From reading this, I clearly fit the role of the lonely child. She, the abandoned child (she was neglected by her parents/moved a lot during childhood - 3 countries, 3 languages, no siblings); and I the lonely child, I had a great childhood, wonderful loving parents, stable home growing up, but always felt I was looking to "complete" myself somehow. Fascinated by the idea of self-actualization; how to get there.

After sharing this- it turned into a HUGE argument... .Her insisting I was abandoned... .her the lonely child. It's beside the point- take a read. Its a great post from 6 years ago:

In some relationships, the idealization phase is the partner being in lonely child stance and the Borderline being in abandoned child stance.*Both need saving* Both need attachment to stave off the pain of being alone.  This is one type of bonding seen in this community.

In this bond, both people bring core trauma to the relationship. Mirroring reenacts the earliest childhood experiences to rise up and emerge into consciousness.

In idealization, there is a dual identification and projection for both people that they have found a perfect love- however, one partner (the “lonely child”) does not yet realize that the other partner (the abandoned child= Borderline) has no whole self- and is utilizing a fantasy of a part-time good in order to fuse with the partner's part time good and become one.

The lonely child has spent much of their life becoming “one.”  When a lonely child finds an abandoned child, both parties feel needed. However, rather than truly loving the individuality of both parties- the sad, fantasy aspect of mirroring magnifies the unhealthy *needs* of both people.

When the lonely child begins to question the reality of mirroring (reality testing) this raises core traumas into activation concerning both the questioning (uncertainty) and the hope (unfulfilled expectations) of the unrealistic attachment. "Lack of inherent trust" is found in both parties at this stage.

Reality testing causes the lonely child to pull away because certain things don't add up- as you say, "the idealization phase slowly erodes."

Pulling away, even while in the lap of comfortable luxury- triggers the abandoned child issues of the Borderline. This causes panic reactions of clinging behaviors by the Borderline to prevent the retreat of their desired love object. These immature demands can look like entitlement to others, especially to a lonely child, who has learned early on to be self sufficient and to self soothe- but the entitlement markers are highly charged and emotional to a Borderline, which isn’t Narcissistic grandiosity- it’s ego deficiency and panic.

The entitlement phase brings a hidden "angry and aggressive child" out from hibernation and into full view and this usually occurs when the lonely child least expects it.  The angry child that emerges is pissed and has delusions of persecution that are ideas of reference from earlier childhood trauma. It’s at this point that the angry child (Borderline) will become enraged and try to cast off shame.  They may attempt to harm himself/herself in order to scapegoat the lonely child- who unwittingly stands-in for the earliest attachment.  This triggers the lonely child's trauma from their earliest attachment as well.

The Borderline wants so badly to be whole that they demand that the lonely child create wholeness for them- which the partner succeeds in doing early on but then relaxes. The Borderline temper tantrum, with its ideas of reference being so very childlike and fantastic, perceives the relaxation of the partner as though the attachment is split up. In order to cope, the Borderline must now find another part time perceived good object to self medicate the emotions of feeling badly from the split.  If this cannot be accomplished, the surge of limbic fear concerning anger and abandonment causes such great pain that self harm is often inflicted for relief.

The lonely child is often very surprised by this. The anger and dysregulation are in contrast to what he/she perceives are necessary for the circumstances. (The lonely child fails to see need disguised as "love."  Therefore, the lonely child seeks to understand the Borderlines ideas of reference concerning "love" in order to cope with the neediness and begins a line of questioning.  The Borderline retreats.

Lonely child is "understanding driven" and gets drawn into the Borderline acting out. The lonely child now has a mystery- the Borderline dilemma of "who am I?" This is very likely the same way that the lonely child came into existence as an “understanding driven” child. Especially when he questioned the motives of his earliest attachments during infancy and adolescence.

The lonely child *understands* the need to be held, loved and understood – because that’s what he longs for in others. The lonely child feels that in order to deal with acting out of the Borderline- the lonely child must project the aura of grace, compassion and understanding upon the Borderline and also guide, teach and show the way- because after all, that’s what the lonely child would want someone to do for him. There was a large reason that the initial mirroring (of this fixer /rescuer ego) worked so well in the idealization stage- the relationship really WAS the projection of lonely child that was mirrored, not the deficient ego of the Borderline.

In the "upside down" world of the Borderline, the lonely child is the perfect attachment to fuse to and the hypersensitive Borderline is the perfect mystery for the lonely child to try to understand.  This is the reactivation of a childhood dynamic- that forms a needy bond.

The Borderline is a perfect template with which to Header and identify with as a good object and also one to invest in to feel better about the “self.”

The understanding driven lonely child "imagines" (projects) onto the Borderline what he/she feels the Borderline identifies with. The lonely child often fills in the blanks with projective identification and the Borderline attempts to absorbs this- but it's impossible to appear as a self-directed person while taking cues and mirroring another self directed partner.

The Borderline scrambles to keep up with what is projected in a chameleon like manner.  All of this pressure to adapt and conform to the projection smothers and defeats the Borderline’s yearning for a perfect bond and triggers engulfment failure.  

Engulfment also means loss of control, annihilation fantasies and shame.  Shame activates the punitive parent that resides in their inner world, their psyche. The attachment failure has now become shame based for the Borderline.  It will soon become guilt driven for the lonely child partner.

Engulfment makes Borderlines very frustrated and angry- but Borderlines fear abandonment and choose to stuff away their fear and compulsively attempt to manage their pain. The impulsive gestures are a form of self harm that fixes the bond in a permanent chaos of action/reaction.  

Borderlines can be avoidant and passive aggressive and will do everything in their power to hide their strong emotions until they implode.  They swing wildly from abandoned child to angry child until they deflate into detached protector- who is basically a mute that doesn’t speak- or worse, speaks in word salad when confronted.

The swinging dysregulation pattern is unable to be separated and individuated and self directed. Because it cannot be self directed, it cannot be self soothed. There is no ability to defer these emotions to logic and reasoning with introspection *without* another person to blame.  This is where Borderlines are showing you the maturity stage at which they are developmentally arrested and remain stuck and frightened.

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Devaluing is the BPD going into the punitive parent role to switch up the control ~ control was relinquished in the idealisation phase so we will attach. The further along we get in the rs ~ the BPD then feels like we are the persecutor for their failing part time self ~ devalue. Devaluing is more about projection ~ because there failing self makes them feel woeful, scared, fearful.

We all have punitive parents that exist in our heads. This is our Superego.  The criticism felt by both parties exists as guilt and shame inside our heads. This tape plays over and over and is a re-working of former traumas. It is also a huge part of what makes complementary traumas so attractive as binding agents to each other.  The lonely child has the “tyrannical shoulds” while the abandoned child has defectiveness schema- together they interact and drive each other crazy.

The understanding driven child cannot fathom how another human being does not have a “self.”  The understanding driven child has had much childhood experience with strong selves and has created a self to understand the motives of others. Lonely children have a need to have some sort of control over their destiny because so much was out of control in their childhood.

The Borderline’s idea of destiny is being attached to others for protection. The Borderline cannot fathom what it means to have a stand alone “self.”

Both parties are human “doing” for others rather than being- but there is more impulsivity in Borderline in the “offering” of themselves as objects.  (The lonely child is very particular concerning who he gives his heart to and makes decisions based upon careful consideration.)

The failure to find a healthy mature love activates the punitive parent in both people’s psyche- one for persecution and the other for failure to understand others (cloaked in rescuing behaviors)- this is the “flea” of each others psychiatric trauma that really is a very strong obsessive bond, and one of endless victimization for both parties unless one or the other becomes understanding driven toward self direction.  Guess who has the best chance?  Unfortunately, the mirrored good that the Borderline provided was a very strong drug- and the obsession is outwardly projected (as it always has been) by the lonely child in order to understand and consequently, control it.

It’s at this point that spying, engaging in testing and push/pull behaviors occur as both parties fight for control. Each pours salt in the others core wound.

The understanding driven child tries to understand the Borderline and the Borderline feels misunderstood and persecuted. The understanding driven child retreats to repair their ego and the Borderline lashes out and tries to shame him. The pendulum swings back and forth in clinging and hating and disordered thought and chaos.  

The lonely child tries to uncover what they think the Borderline is hiding from them (triggering bouts of paranoia) or missing (creating dependency issues.)  The angry child threatens to destroy the relationship (as well as themselves = self harm) which triggers immense anger and outrage for both parties. Their love object is broken.

Both parties are in pain- and their egos are easy to "pinch" because they both fear abandonment.   At this point, both core traumas are exposed and the partners are no longer interacting with each other except to arouse each other’s trauma wounds from childhood.

The false self of the lonely child, that the Borderline mirrored, has more ego- as it is directly tied to a “self” which involves coping mechanisms from childhood that mirrored back good.  It was a self that was capable and seeming to have all the answers in the beginning.  When the Borderline tries to destroy it as a failed attachment, it begins to crumble and the lonely child retreats and tries to repair it- essentially wounded to the core. This is also part and parcel of the injury of the smear campaign- and the lonely child may try to return to defend the "self" from being attacked.

Trauma for the lonely child occurs mainly because of perceived failure they cannot “understand” enough (essentially an obsession at this point) and trauma for the Borderline occurs because of anger and abandonment and shame that existed since infancy- and persecution by their inner parent superego for not becoming whole.  

At this point, both parties feel like failures.

Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.

Eventually, the fantasy begins to unravel for the lonely child, that they are alone- and the person that the lonely child fell in love with, (the person in the mirror,) was actually YOU.

Who really is the Borderline? Someone who needed you for awhile because they were scared to be alone.

They’re still scared. Forgive them if you can- they are modern day recreations of their own childhood fears.

Now- after reading all of this- You can’t keep going back for more trauma.  Idea The trauma bond must be broken.

After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <<Understanding.>>

Try to give that to yourself.

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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2016, 05:09:43 PM »

very interesting thanks for sharing -what does this person say the healing process consists of for the "abandoned" child and what is the healing process for lonely child?
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2016, 05:36:43 PM »

very interesting thanks for sharing -what does this person say the healing process consists of for the "abandoned" child and what is the healing process for lonely child?

As far as the lonely child, it's addressed in the final paragraphs:

After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <<Understanding.>>

Try to give that to yourself.

As far as the abandoned child.

I don't know that it really addresses that at all- as it's written from the perspective of the lonely child, and one that was hurt by the abandoned child (BPD).

As far as my ex goes... .could she be helped?  Perhaps. But to be honest, stubborn doesnt even come close to addressing how rigid she is in her ways.

So I hope one day she is able to get help, and get better. But will she? I have no clue.

I have no doubt she will have other relationships. But I cannot (just being honest), imagine any guy putting up with what I went through... .and as she ages I feel it will only get worse, as the lure of youth and beauty become less and less a marketable commodity--of which she relies at the moment so heavily on.

She told me towards the end: "I can have any guy I want".  I said: "Really, even Brad Pitt?" (I joke a lot try to keep things light; doesnt work well on her).

But honestly; shes not a nice person. She's mean a lot of the time. She's very rigid, set in her ways, opinionated, jealous, she lies, she is paranoid, the list goes on and on.

She's also attractive and in her early 30s. But as that fades, she will be left with only the latter, and I think she will be forced to either confront her issues, and become a better person on the inside, or accept what life ends up not giving her-- which she could have perhaps had.

She needs a lot of work.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2016, 05:39:57 PM »

 Idea Whoa.Idea

That's some food for thought!
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2016, 06:23:16 PM »

Incredible post. It tracks my relationship with my ex in such penetrating detail. And, like you, I have trouble believing that my ex will ever find someone who will try so hard and stay as compassionate as I did through all her provocations. Of course, that didn't stop her from moving on instantly to someone else. But she continues to reach out to me, and in such faltering steps -- trying to open up a bit, trying to connect with at least some degree of openness and vulnerability ... .but at the same time so guarded and - from my perspective at least - so threateningly. I don't mean that she's consciously threatening. But I can feel all the hurt and pain behind her expressions of missing me and loving me ... .and that what she craves most of all is to open up about how abandoned she feels by me, how hurt. In other words, another round of guilt and shame ready to wash over me.

I can't go back to that, and I know that I won't. But it's only been a bit over six weeks since our final breakup, and it still hurts a lot when I feel her longing like that. She's almost 30, and has told me how she's always used her looks and sexuality to move on to the next guy, though she feels shame now that all her friends are married and she still craves validation from hooking up with the next guy. She can actually be quite self-aware when she tries (which is admittedly very rare). She's a "high-functioning" BPD and you can see her trying in her own ways at times. Which is what made it so hard to pull away.

Thank you for reposting. Very much worth the read.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2016, 11:00:44 PM »

Great post!  Smiling (click to insert in post)

What I struggle with is how do I figure out what, if any, childhood trauma I had? It seems like my childhood was idyllic. Dad was a bit stern but would have died for me. Mum was loving and always listened without judgement. My brother and I payed and fought like brothers do. We are still close.

I strongly identify with many of the lonely child traits as described though. I meditate every day, have done yoga for 10 years, was single for years before meeting my ex upwBPD and was as happy as a skylark.

She did seduce me and I resisted for months but finally she won. Then I took on her then 3yo daughter and once I decided it was happening, gave it my all. For a few years it was great. Not crazy, just easy and seamless. We ran together, had so many similar tastes, families all got on, her daughter bonded with me hugely. Then one day, she started withdrawing, spending more and more time with friends, especially if we were likely to have time alone together, which was rare. It all went bad from there. I do know that she tried hard but would never discuss it. I went to therapy, had plenty of outside interests, hobbies etc but even if I hinted that we should see a counsellor, she would go mad. In the end, she made such meaningless arguments for why we were a bad match, when I questioned her logic, she would just freeze. She is intelligent and when faced with clear logic and I had let her use up all the available illogical arguments, she was blue screened.

I am 7 months out and mostly NC. I know she has strong BPD traits and nothing I could ever do would be enough, although she improved a lot in the first few years, less impulsive, calmer etc. I "think" I may be a lonely child, so what do I do now? How do I go the next step? Before we met I was blissfully happy and can't seem to get back there. Was I deluding myself before my last relationship? I am always busy with fun things now and know in my head I can't go back, but reading that great post, I can't help wondering, if both of us read it, couldn't it work out somehow? And if not, how do you plumb the depths of self to discover what's wrong.

I have had lots of therapy and my therapist seems to think I am fine with very minor issues which she manipulated. Am I trying too hard?
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2016, 11:21:31 PM »

Well I did it again, broke no contact.

Sigh... .

In regards to rfriesen's post. Yes the article really does hit the nail on the head in terms of what I experienced with my exGF.

I struggle daily. She broke up with me 5 months ago, after almost 5 years together. Since then, I've maybe seen her 6 times. Hit or miss in terms of did we get along (as in had a nice time, dinner, made love) vs. her basically hating me or me being so upset I had to say goodnight.

After year 1 the relationship was such a struggle. I have a very hard time detaching from that first year, where I was convinced she was the girl I would marry, have children with, a family. I was about 32 at the time, so it just felt as right as it could.

But time brought change. And it happened swift and sudden (looking back). It seems as though just at one point or another; I was no longer "awesome" in her eyes. Arguments became more frequent, as did lies, gaslighting, all the games they play.

The silent treatment is likely the worst part of it all, at least for me. I'm a very open, honest person; and I told her how much the silence, the days, sometimes weeks of not returning a single call, hurt me.

But it seems after I told her that, it was more frequent, for longer periods of time.

What's really sad; at least in my view as I doubt she would see it the same way. Is something really small and silly could set off a "silent spell". Then after a week of me trying to get in touch, I'd likely do something to make matters worse. Send angry texts, or text bomb her just to get her attention saying "hey it's been 9 days want to return my call".

This of course would then become the primary issue. A full shift from "Original Issue" which caused silence, to "My Pain and Torment" from her inflicting the abuse of silent treatment to: "I said something rude via text after being ignored for 11 days".

Then, I would find myself in the position where I was the one apologizing... .profusely, when in reality; if you rewind all the way back; the original issue- we could have just had a 2 minute conversation and discussed it, resolved it, and it would have been over with.

It's amazing. I feel like BPDs almost define "mountain out of a molehill" in terms of any problem that arises. They chose the most difficult, most painful, most time consuming/waste of time route from point A to point B.

Anyways; I called her tonight, broke NC. Then texted. Got a text back. It read:

I will let GIRLFRIENDS NAME know you called. I am holding her phone for her.

I was like huh? Which is exactly what I typed. I responded "Who is this".

Of course wouldnt say; but the explanation was this unknown person was holding the phone permananatley in case she got work calls but to keep me away from her so she could move on.

I then thought:  Why are you monitoring her phone at 9:30pm on a Friday night for work calls?

Anyways, it was obviously her. Not "a person". The following texts, the wording, the way she "disappeared again"; just like her.

It's so strange, how she will "sort of" talk with me. In a very removed way. I don't know what to make of it, other than just sad. I know she is hurting. I just wanted to talk to her, haven't spoken in 20 days.

I am really just trying to get myself into the mental state where I can literally move on for good.

I know this sounds insane; but this girl has done a huge number on me. I'm in the process of selling both my homes, (want to move anyhow); and not joking, I am changing my last name legally; and moving very very far away.

I just need a fresh start. And I'm not super attached to my last name anyhow. But yea, new legal name, no trace what so ever. I will be gone.

I know it's not what she want's, but she wont tell me otherwise. So... .
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2016, 11:40:21 PM »

Hey GoingBack2OC,

Please don't take it the wrong way but I laughed when I read that last post (as I do with some others) because it is so close to my own experience. It actually seems funny to see it externally although I know it is not at all. I think I am laughing at myself really, like how on earth could I be in such a losing position and stay there, and if I'm honest STILL have ideas of going back? Am I nuts? She basically used me all up until I was exhausted and then moved on. Why do we put up with it and why do we then want to go back? I remember being so stressed because she was totally distancing me and doing everything she new would hurt me, so if I do nothing it is horrible, but if I said anything it would quickly turn into something wrong with me or something I did wrong years ago. That is in now way a relationship and from what I have read, it is abuse.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2016, 11:51:07 PM »

GoingBack2OC, the movie was great, must have been tough to watch.

I also want to disappear and start again but it's not that simple for me. I live in the same building but we rarely see each other. One thing that helps is contemplating apologising for some of my behaviors next time I see her. When I play it out in my mind though, I know she will never apologise and just use anything I give as more ammo against me in her mind.

So good luck and move on mate.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 02:07:35 AM »

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What I struggle with is how do I figure out what, if any, childhood trauma I had? It seems like my childhood was idyllic. Dad was a bit stern but would have died for me. Mum was loving and always listened without judgement. My brother and I payed and fought like brothers do. We are still close.

Hi AndrewS

The 2010 post really resonated with me when I read it quite a while back - but like you I struggle to find any FOO issues to explain the borderline attraction. Surely EVERYONE attracted to pwBPD can't have FOO issues, as that sounds like black and white thinking to me! 

Maybe if you substitute 'introverted child' for 'lonely child' you will get your answers.  That's the way I make sense of it anyway.


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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2016, 09:22:58 AM »

I've read this post before, and it's so dead-on. Part of me wonders, does it fit us so exactly because ALL breakups fit the model? But no, I've had lots of r/s that were nothing like this.

No, there really never was any hope.
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2016, 08:40:38 AM »

Perhaps the best, most enlightening post I have ever read on what BPD, and my role with my exGFuBPD, is really all about.

I have read this many times. It's worth the read.

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The understanding driven child cannot fathom how another human being does not have a “self.”  The understanding driven child has had much childhood experience with strong selves and has created a self to understand the motives of others. Lonely children have a need to have some sort of control over their destiny because so much was out of control in their childhood.

The Borderline’s idea of destiny is being attached to others for protection. The Borderline cannot fathom what it means to have a stand alone “self.”

Both parties are human “doing” for others rather than being- but there is more impulsivity in Borderline in the “offering” of themselves as objects.  (The lonely child is very particular concerning who he gives his heart to and makes decisions based upon careful consideration.)

The failure to find a healthy mature love activates the punitive parent in both people’s psyche- one for persecution and the other for failure to understand others (cloaked in rescuing behaviors)- this is the “flea” of each others psychiatric trauma that really is a very strong obsessive bond, and one of endless victimization for both parties unless one or the other becomes understanding driven toward self direction.  Guess who has the best chance?  Unfortunately, the mirrored good that the Borderline provided was a very strong drug- and the obsession is outwardly projected (as it always has been) by the lonely child in order to understand and consequently, control it.

It’s at this point that spying, engaging in testing and push/pull behaviors occur as both parties fight for control. Each pours salt in the others core wound.

The understanding driven child tries to understand the Borderline and the Borderline feels misunderstood and persecuted. The understanding driven child retreats to repair their ego and the Borderline lashes out and tries to shame him. The pendulum swings back and forth in clinging and hating and disordered thought and chaos.  

The lonely child tries to uncover what they think the Borderline is hiding from them (triggering bouts of paranoia) or missing (creating dependency issues.)  The angry child threatens to destroy the relationship (as well as themselves = self harm) which triggers immense anger and outrage for both parties. Their love object is broken.

Both parties are in pain- and their egos are easy to "pinch" because they both fear abandonment.   At this point, both core traumas are exposed and the partners are no longer interacting with each other except to arouse each other’s trauma wounds from childhood.

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Trauma for the lonely child occurs mainly because of perceived failure they cannot “understand” enough (essentially an obsession at this point) and trauma for the Borderline occurs because of anger and abandonment and shame that existed since infancy- and persecution by their inner parent superego for not becoming whole.  

At this point, both parties feel like failures.

Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.



Eventually, the fantasy begins to unravel for the lonely child, that they are alone- and the person that the lonely child fell in love with, (the person in the mirror,) was actually YOU.


Who really is the Borderline? Someone who needed you for awhile because they were scared to be alone.

They’re still scared. Forgive them if you can- they are modern day recreations of their own childhood fears.

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After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <<Understanding.>>

Try to give that to yourself.

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Oh, thank you for this.

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2022, 11:20:21 AM »

She's almost 30, and has told me how she's always used her looks and sexuality to move on to the next guy, though she feels shame now that all her friends are married and she still craves validation from hooking up with the next guy. She can actually be quite self-aware when she tries (which is admittedly very rare). She's a "high-functioning" BPD and you can see her trying in her own ways at times. Which is what made it so hard to pull away.

Thank you for reposting. Very much worth the read.

This hit home for me, and I think you highlight one of the difficulties that I assume my pwBPD struggles with...she's "high-functioning" in that she has a great job, is very attractive, and behaves well socially (has plenty of friends) which I think only makes it that much harder for her to even contemplate accepting the magnitude of her illness. From her perspective, this is the way things have been for her entire adolescent & adult life, and by certain "worldly" metrics, she's more than successful. So what's her motivation to change?

Like you described @GoingBack2OC, my pwBPD can also be pretty self-aware when she really, truly tries - I've heard her (in moments of desperation of deep sadness) express that she knows something is off with the way she interacts with others, she can even be self-aware enough to recognize when what she's feelings isn't "rational". I've also heard her recognize that, at various points in her life, she used sex as a way to gain love & affection & attention from men which causes me to believe that somewhere deep down she wants to see herself for who she truly is. And I can totally relate to the way you described how that glimmer of hope makes it really challenging to choose to break away for good.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2022, 07:55:46 AM »

This is an absolutely BRILLIANT post. I’m so glad I came across it. Too often I feel like I’m putting ALL the blame on my pwBPD (in rebellion of my pwBPD blaming my constantly for every upset),  when in reality I know I had a role to play.

Well my role was definitely the lonely child. And although we aren’t to blame, because we can’t help how our inner child plays out (before we come self aware of what’s going on), I feel better being able to put my finger on the role I did play.
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