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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: May 05, 2016, 01:32:21 AM »

What I believed was the girl of my dreams turned into a complete nightmare. I met this girl last fall in my home country and we hit it off straight away. I couldn’t believe that we had so much in common and she is smokin hot i’m telling you 8/10. She was travelling around Europe and went back to the US in november. She was constantly texting me and telling me after 2 days she loved me and that she couldn’t believe how lucky she was to have met me, I guess I was blown away by her and ignored all of the red flags. I visited her on one of her trips through Europe and she came back to see me just before she went back to the USA.

First few months everything went perfect and visited her twice in the US , first during Thanksgiving and second time with the Christmas holidays. During Christmas period ___ was about to go down. Christmas itself was fun and exciting and had a lot of fun. The day after Christmas we were going to visit her grandpa and grandma in FL so we had to drive from Virginia to FL which is a pretty long ass drive. During the ride she wouldn’t say a thing to me, gave me a cold shoulder and was constantly glued to her phone and saw that we was FB messaging some people. At that point I didn’t think much of it , probably she was bit stressed of going to see her grandparents and thought she would turn around once we’ve arrived. After we arrived and had some dinner we still was acting cold and distant and asked her if there was something wrong and her reply was “You are always overanalyzing and I need my space”. I was like what the heck? I came all the way from Europe to see you and have a good time with you and this is what you have to say? So imagine yourself in a position where I was at her family, couldn’t go anywhere and felt miserable great start of the holiday which should have released some stress of working 60-70 hrs workweeks (investment banking industry).She acted cold and distant the whole week and wouldn’t say a word to me other than good morning and good night. I seriously was doubting myself, had I done anything wrong? What the heck did I do to deserve this treatment? I paid for everything, the rental car, the hotel , food/drinks etc etc. Just before new years I told her that if she wouldn’t tell what the hell was going on I would go home. She said she needed a “break” from us as she said thing were going too fast. I agreed on the fact that things did go a bit fast , but on the other hand if she told me this from the beginning than all this drama could be prevented. After she said she wanted a break she clinged on to me again totally confusing me as I’m asking myself are we together or single? total mind___ I can tell you that.

Couple of hours before new years her phone died and she had to get a new one. I decided to stay at her grandparents and at one point while I was watching some tv with them , her grandmother told me this : “You seem like a great guy, I seriously have no idea what you are doing with her, if I were you I would RUN”. I couldn’t figure out why she said that I was in shock and barely could say a word. After new years eve I was in the States for 4 more days and during that period she was all over me again. She was really sad and almost cried when I left to go back to Europe. Coming home I received a message that she didn’t feel comfortable with what happened between us and she wasn’t sure if she made the right choice. I told her that she really needed to figure out what she wants before coming to Europe as she wanted to live with me. She was 100% sure that she wanted to come to Europe and wanted to be with me. We kept contacting eachother and after 3 weeks just 2 weeks prior to her coming over she asked how I viewed “us” I told her that we were still together but she needed time to figure her ___ out. By then she said she wanted to be single while she was awaiting the visa process which takes about 3 months and travel and work in Europe. I was not amused by this news as I already set things in motion with the immigration department and told her that I’m taking a lot of risk that here. She shook it off and said that we could “hopefully reconnect by summer” translation: f*ck as many other dudes while travelling Europe before I go back to my main source provider”. Found out that she had changed and deleted pictures on Facebook and IG prior before me going for the 2nd time to the US ( i found out after I got back from 2nd trip to US). This pissed me off so bad and confronted her about it and she simply said “Do you think I’m using you? That you’re my IN to Europe?” blameshifting and never mentioned the ___ she pulled off. Couple of days later I found out that she went out with a “friend” on a thursday night and got drunk. Well I know her got enough that that is just bad news…...

I was sick and tired of all these bull___ games and told her that it was over. She still insisted on coming over to Europe as she was hoping I guess that she could change my mind by throwing some crumbs at me. So fast forward to the moment she was supposed to arrive at the airport she said she missed her flight and that she was stuck in NY. The following day she got a flight from NY to Europe and picked her up at the airport as I wanted to get some closure and move on. Turned out that she didn’t miss her flight and was with her ex boyfriend in NY (claimed first that she didn’t want to see him anymore) but she claimed nothing happened between him and her, she said she took a sleeping pill and passed out (sure…... ) Once she arrived in my country she didn’t even ask how I was doing and told me she got a small note from a male cabin crew with his number on it. Furthermore I took effort in picking her up from the airport and take her to her hotel and pay for dinner as she didn’t have enough money to afford it. Looking back now she was guilt tripping me. I told her that I now seriously was done with her and her and I are over, but by than the begging would start and said I was the best husband material there is and that I dress nice and that she doesn’t want to lose me. I didn’t buy it one second it was all an act to lure me back in. I walked away and never looked back.

Because all this stuff happened I seriously start to doubt today’s women. This is not the first time I went through ___ like this, in the beginning they act different like they have some sort of mask on and once the relationship progresses the true self is revealed or some ___. Then the ___ really starts to hit the fan…. What was I dealing with? It really screwed me up and was depressed for a month and that’s how I ended up on the MGTOW website after all it looks like I’m not on my own! I also have my flaws and I know I’m not perfect but after all I did for her I couldn’t believe that someone could be just so cold hearted?

So just a quick summary of all the ___ that happened…….

– Talked bad about ALL her exes (one beat her up, other set a forest on fire, another one cheated on her, another one went to jail)

– Loads of DEBT (college debt of around 70k USD)

– Love bombing (telling me how lucky she was to have met me and texted me 24/7, posting pictures of me and her on FB and IG, wanted to marry me after 1 date, calling me her love after 2 dates)

– Future faking the ___ out of me (wanted to get married, have kids , house etc)

– High demanding (wanted a big house , a horse, a dog, a car either Audi or BMW etc etc)

– Wanted to be a housewife but didnt want to cook or clean

– Drank excessive amounts of alcohol and used a lot of medication against migraine

– Mom was never around during the holidays and her dad she is screwed up (I guess due to the mom)

– Family of her told me to RUN

– Said she had her own apartment but turns out it was her moms and stepdads.

– Shared creditcard and phone with her ex boyfriend

– Contact with her ex boyfriend on frequent basis

– Wanted to be in the centre of the attention all the time

– Very concerned about her looks and spend huge amounts of money on her looks

– Lot of “male friends”

– Said she liked men more than women…...

– Said it turned her on if I talked to other females while we were out to have a drink (i.e. jealousy turned her on, like what the heck?)

– Ruined the holiday and new years eve

– Obsessed with money constantly talking and asking how much I make a year and what kind of car I drive (Audi which is common in Europe, but in USA it seems like a big plus?)

– Making up stories about health issues like fainting in shower and throwing up in shower , claiming she thought she was pregnant, migraine, mono the list goes on and on…...

– Admitted she had ADD

– Early in the relationship she sees herself as an Alpha female and can’t stand too emotional, passive aggresive and conflict avoiding behaviour.

– She even said she knows she a crazy but she sees herself as a nice person and needs someone to confirm that?

Anyways, what kind of girl was I dealing with? Is this a full blown narcissist or someone with borderline?
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2016, 03:51:42 PM »

Hello  Americana

Your ex sounds exactly like mine, almost word for word. I am new here so not much I can say except stick around, many people here with great insight and experience and very helpful

My exgf is a nightmare and I cannot deal with her on my own, I compare this to a serious addiction and as with alcohol/drug use the first thing to go in these relationships is our common sense (judgment, discernment and logic) due to the crazy lies and manipulations.

Know you are in a good place and that you are NEVER alone.



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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2016, 05:19:56 PM »

Hi Americana,

Welcome

I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds like you were working long weeks and getting the cold shoulder from your ex.

I would like to join JerryRG and welcome you.  I would feel exausted after working a long week and getting the cold shoulder then your girlfriend is all over you. A pwBPD can't see the grey areas in life and people and see you as either all good or all bad. It feels like crazy making behavior to the non-disordered partner.

We're not Dr's and can't diagnose your ex, only a professional can diagnose her, but what can look at traits of the borderline personality type.

Borderline Personality Disorder - A Clinical Perspective

I'm glad that you have joined us. As JerryRG stated, you'll find many members here that can relate with you. It helps to talk.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2016, 05:29:36 PM »

SCARY similar!

– Love bombing (telling me how lucky she was to have met me and texted me 24/7, posting pictures of me and her on FB and IG, wanted to marry me after 1 date, calling me her love after 2 dates)

– Future faking the  please read               | out of me (wanted to get married, have kids , house etc)

– High demanding (wanted a big house , a horse, a dog, a car either Audi or BMW etc etc)

– Drank excessive amounts of alcohol

– Contact with her ex boyfriend on frequent basis

– Wanted to be in the centre of the attention all the time

– Very concerned about her looks and spend huge amounts of money on her looks

– Lot of “male friends”

– Ruined the holiday and new years eve! (Cheated on me while I was at holiday, and broke up 3 days before new years eve)

– Early in the relationship she sees herself as an Alpha female and can’t stand too emotional, passive aggresive and conflict avoiding behaviour.


These all comply to my ex aswell and sound like tipical BPD behaviour to me... .
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2016, 06:57:19 PM »

So just a quick summary of all the ___ that happened…….

– Talked bad about ALL her exes (one beat her up, other set a forest on fire, another one cheated on her, another one went to jail)

– Loads of DEBT (college debt of around 70k USD)

– Love bombing (telling me how lucky she was to have met me and texted me 24/7, posting pictures of me and her on FB and IG, wanted to marry me after 1 date, calling me her love after 2 dates)

– Future faking the ___ out of me (wanted to get married, have kids , house etc)

– High demanding (wanted a big house , a horse, a dog, a car either Audi or BMW etc etc)

– Wanted to be a housewife but didnt want to cook or clean

– Drank excessive amounts of alcohol and used a lot of medication against migraine

– Mom was never around during the holidays and her dad she is screwed up (I guess due to the mom)

– Family of her told me to RUN

– Said she had her own apartment but turns out it was her moms and stepdads.

– Shared creditcard and phone with her ex boyfriend

– Contact with her ex boyfriend on frequent basis

– Wanted to be in the centre of the attention all the time

– Very concerned about her looks and spend huge amounts of money on her looks

– Lot of “male friends”

– Said she liked men more than women…...

– Said it turned her on if I talked to other females while we were out to have a drink (i.e. jealousy turned her on, like what the heck?)

– Ruined the holiday and new years eve

– Obsessed with money constantly talking and asking how much I make a year and what kind of car I drive (Audi which is common in Europe, but in USA it seems like a big plus?)

– Making up stories about health issues like fainting in shower and throwing up in shower , claiming she thought she was pregnant, migraine, mono the list goes on and on…...

– Admitted she had ADD

– Early in the relationship she sees herself as an Alpha female and can’t stand too emotional, passive aggresive and conflict avoiding behaviour.

– She even said she knows she a crazy but she sees herself as a nice person and needs someone to confirm that?

Anyways, what kind of girl was I dealing with? Is this a full blown narcissist or someone with borderline?

Think yourself lucky you found this place! There are so many commonalities between your own experience and those of others on here, that it's hard not to draw the conclusion that this lady has BPD or exhibits traits. I'm still stuggling to accept it, if I'm totally honest. This confusion, I believe, is also part of the process. My ex effectively 'groomed' me online, on a shared interest website. The 'cry for help' was a new house renovation. Here was this good-looking, unattached 40 something, knocking plaster off walls, messing with electrics and plumbing, posting pictures of her progress and jokingly 'inviting' people to come up and give her a hand. I used to a be a builder/joiner so I was drawn in, like a moth to a flame!. Within a matter of days she was sending me private messages via the forum, then came the 'phone calls. She would literally talk for hours about how badly she'd been treated by her exes, how she'd suffered Post traumatic Stress Disorder, had been mute for two weeks, how she'd been shafted by work colleagues, her family. All this was interspersed with how much she valued openness, honesty, trust, sincerity and compassion... .hell, she even had an incurable gynecological condition that meant she couldn't have children, hadn't been intimate with anyone for five years, but she 'just knew' that I was different, I was the only guy she'd met that she could truly open up too, that she could trust implicitly with all her intimate thoughts, hopes, desires and feelings!

Now slap me (and countless others) for what I did next... .I fell for it! What an amazingly strong woman... .having gone through all that trauma and come out the other side wiser, more empathic, more caring, more honest and open. I'd never met anyone like her; so hurt but yet so loving, so philosophical, so sure of what she looks for in a partner. I can't have children, unfortunately, and within weeks she was expressing the possibility of us adopting a child!

Needless to say, it soon turned to the proverbial, when we actually got together. Don't get me wrong, we had some great times together, but then the accusations, paranoia and abuse started to rear its ugly head, in true Jeckyll and Hyde style. I didn't really care for her, didn't show her enough tenderness, proved myself to be both untrustworthy and a liar. It got worse. She was convinced I am a high functioning autistic, and incapable of empathy, that I have a deep-seated victim complex, she suspected that I was gay (!), that I was still emotionally attached to my previous partner (whom she stalked on FB)... .in short, everything that was going pear-shaped in our relationship was all due to my shortcommings as a person... .and here's the rub: She would never, ever accept any responsibility for her abusive tirades and outbursts... .I made her react this was... .it was my fault she felt unloved, uncherished, unadored. She even went so far as to say I didn't allow her to have any 'expectations' of me because I was such an emotionally stunted excuse for a human being... .Nice! the worst of it was, she was highly intelligent... .she could run rings around me in an argument, using heavy sarcasm, infatilizing language, drawing on 'supporting evidence' from previous conversations, quoting me verbatim, on things I couldn't even remember saying... .I'd just get increasingly exasperated and frustrated until I'd blow my top, at which point she would calmly say "There you go! I just can't communicate with you. You're incapable of having a conversation without resorting to anger"! Manipulative is not the word... .

I'd try increasingly hard to patch things up, accepting the blame, apologizing profusely for losing it, telling her how much I loved her, cared for her... .but it was NEVER enough. There was a distinct pattern to her behaviour; I could sense when she was going to start, because she would ask some random question that was not really related to the topic at the time. These, I later realized, were her 'checking questions'... .to see if my current response would tally with something I'd said before. She would lay conversational 'traps' as it were, which I failed to recognize, and would usually fall into, precipitating yet another character assassination.

Just looking over your 'checklist' i'd say she displayed almost all the same traits (and more), but in particular:

early onset Lovebombing

future faking

high demanding

contact with exes (despite how apparently badly they'd treated her!)

centre of attention (she told me she wanted to be 'adored'... .)

lots of male friends (avid Facebook and Twitter user... .constant phone checker... .considered herself to be a clandestine anti government activist!)

add to the list:

incredibly self-righteous

black and white sense of what is right and wrong... .no gray areas... .you're either wonderful or an A hole

highly manipulative (too may example to list)

blames everyone but her self

never wrong (like a 'dog with a stick' in an argument... .could not let things lie, or have Time out)

claimed illness or fatigue most of the time

Sure there's more but there's a few to be going on with... .

Good Luck Buddy... .RUN... .and never look back... .like grandma suggested Smiling (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 02:24:49 AM »

Thanks for all the input from you guys. Seems that it looks that indeed my gut feeling that she most likely has BPD was right.

Last week she contacted me again after about 2 months since no contact. She asked how I was doing and what I've been up to. She also said she experienced something recently that "scarred"" her for life and that very few people know about this. I asked here what happened and she simply said "It's very personal and maybe I'll tell you later and that I should not judge her if she tells me. So my question is why did she bring this up? Is it just to get my attention again ?

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2016, 03:48:08 PM »

Thanks for all the input from you guys. Seems that it looks that indeed my gut feeling that she most likely has BPD was right.

Last week she contacted me again after about 2 months since no contact. She asked how I was doing and what I've been up to. She also said she experienced something recently that "scarred"" her for life and that very few people know about this. I asked here what happened and she simply said "It's very personal and maybe I'll tell you later and that I should not judge her if she tells me. So my question is why did she bring this up? Is it just to get my attention again ?

Sorry Americana... .I missed this last post... ."something happened recently that scarred her for life... .and very few people know about it"... .

"it's very personal... .and MAYBE I'll tell you later... ."

How special does that make you feel, and how priviledged to be taken into her confidence! How intriguing! What could it be?   Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post)

Let me guess... .she was just being her usual, charming self and someone or something has taken advantage of her lovely nature. The effects will be more upsetting, more paintful and more traumatic than you or I could possibly appreciate and she will be totally blameless for what has happened... .

She brought this up because she's a manipulative drama queen... .in waif mode


Show no interest whatsoever... .let her burden someone else with it... better still, tell her you don't want her to contact you ever again  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)



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