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« on: December 12, 2016, 02:35:35 PM »

 

Hello Everyone.

I need some advice.  My mother and I were very close when I lived at home but since I left and graduated law school she is pulling away from me.  When I go spend time with her over a weekend, if its not exactly how she wants to hang out, she yells and tells me to run home to my fiancĂ© and stop pretending. (Whatever that means). I am painfully sure my mother has symptoms of BPD because she has and continues to try and pit my sister against one another.  She always loves one of us while hating the other. 

Recently, my mother has been diagnosed with cancer.  Also, I recently accepted a new position in my first career.  I took my only day off to drive her to chemo and when I approached her the morning of, she asked me, "Why the hell are you here?  I am taking myself.  Why don't you run home and stop pretending to give a ___." 

It KILLED me.  I wanted to be there for my mother but she always does this.  So (and I am not proud of this) I told her that I m finished and that I cant have her treating me like this anymore.

So, its been two months, with my mom going through chemo and I haven't said a word.  She didn't even come to Thanksgiving because "I yelled at her."

I want to tell her to get help.  That she might have BPD but I am afraid that she will explode.  I talked to a counselor about this and she told me that my mom had BPD.

I am sad, mad, and filled with guilt.  Should I tell her to get help?  Should I just stay out of her life and focus on my happiness?
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2016, 04:09:37 PM »


Welcome Scarlet88:  

I'm so sorry about what you are going through with your mother, as well as what your mom must be going through with cancer.  It never goes well, if you suggest your mom get counseling for BPD.  Perhaps you might suggest counseling, from the prospective that it could be helpful to get some support to deal with her cancer.  It has to be a tough time for her and the cancer is likely making her BPD traits worse.

You can't change her.  Your best approach is to learn various strategies and communication techniques to change the way you interact and react.  It can be tough, when she says hurtful things.  It can be a challenge to not react, when she makes you angry, but it is always best to avoid argument (and for her to not notice a reaction on your part).  The strategy at the two links below can help you avoid arguments:

AVOIDING CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS
bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=118892.0;all

KARPMAN DRAMA TRIANGLE
https://bpdfamily.com/content/karpman-drama-triangle

Boundaries can be important for you.  They aren't for your mom, but for you and your sanity.  Using Validation can make a difference, as well as various communication skills.  Check out the links below (click on the green words or green addresses).  There are, also, links to the right of this post, that lead to additional helpful information.

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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2016, 04:55:29 PM »

Hi Scarlet88,

Welcome

I'd like to join Naughty Nibbler and welcome you. I'm sorry that you're going through this. I can relate with that pain when a parent can't see you for you and this perceived image in their mind that you're all good. It's tough. I'd just like to add my two cents to what Naughter Nibbler said.

It helps to talk to others that can relate with you.

You're not alone.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2016, 11:07:43 AM »

Hello Scarlet 


Welcome ! You will find a place here where everyone listens and no one judges.

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So (and I am not proud of this) I told her that I m finished and that I cant have her treating me like this anymore.

I get the feeling you are feeling guilty for protecting your boundaries, which were crossed by your mum.
Is that correct ?
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2016, 01:59:03 PM »

Thank you everyone for your wonderful comments.  I cant explain how comforting it is to have people around that have the same feelings that I do.

Thank you for all of the great information and welcome!

I do feel a little guilty.  I feel like I should be with her through cancer, but I also feel the need to stand up for myself.

I hate that I just cant tell her to get help for this.  I hate tip toeing around the fact that I just cant say GO GET HELP.  It's so frustrating.  

I feel terrible that my life is so much more sane when I don't speak to her.  She has cancer.  (And I am SURE she is making me out to be Satan's child for all her friends and family).

This bothers me because I really care what people think about me.  I am a bit too hypersentive to others actions and feelings.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2016, 04:10:36 AM »

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I just cant say GO GET HELP

You cannot help her. And the great thing is, it is *not* your job to help her.

She is your mum ! Which means she's an adult. If she has unadapted ways to deal with the world, this is in no way your fault. NN is right when she says the only thing you can do is learning strategies and communication techniques to interact with her.

NN also mentioned boundaries. Boundaries are very important for everyone, but more so for people who were raised by a BPD parent. We were groomed to think that we cannot have boundaries. Becoming an adult ourselves, we need to teach ourselves that we can and should have them.

Boundaries are personal. Your boundaries are not my boundaries. It's like with colors : some people like green, some people prefer red.
A healthy boundary in any case can be that we don't want to be yelled at. Or that we don't want to be insulted.

With BPD it is very important we stick to our boundaries. If we don't, we show them that we are not really serious about them, and the behavior we draw a boundary for, will get worse (google 'intermittent reinforcement'. Unfortunately BPD are like children in many ways. They have maladaptive ways to deal with things they get triggered by (and they get triggered by a lot !). If a child has a tantrum it is counterproductive to give in and let your boundaries be crossed. Same with BPD.

My mum is BPD. I drew some boundaries and unfortunately she has chosen to give me the silent treatment for many months now. This means I don't get to see my FOO anymore. The bright side of this however is that I do not have to deal with the dysfunction anymore. My boundary is that I get treated respectfully.

Not communicating with you is your mother's choice. Also there you can have boundaries. You can choose to keep away until she resumes contact. Or you can send her an email trying to reestablish contact. Or phone her. You can also decide that not having contact at all is the best way for you to live your life. And to keep your sanity. The wonderful thing here is that you are an adult now. You are not a child anymore, and you are *free* to choose sanity. Having cancer is *not* an excuse for making people's lives miserable. It is very unfortunate for your mother to have cancer, but this should not be the issue here. The issue is that you want to be treated respectfully. This is the main issue. A side-issue to that, an issue that complicates the main issue, is the fact your mother has cancer.

Children of BPD are raised with guilt always being around us. We were groomed to feel guilty whenever our mothers didn't feel good (which was pretty much all of the time). This is not how it's supposed to be. I have a daughter now and I would never wish her to feel guilty because of me feeling bad. I am responsible for my own emotions.
If one day I'd have cancer and god forbid I would treat my child badly, I would want her to tell me to stop, or if I didn't, to keep away from me. I think this is how we should feel when we love someone.

There is a lot of info on the right, also info about FOG (fear/obligation/guilt). Maybe you can take a look.

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And I am SURE she is making me out to be Satan's child for all her friends and family).
This bothers me because I really care what people think about me.  I am a bit too hypersentive to others actions and feelings.

I understand this very well. Being hypersensitive to others actions and feelings is something that again has been installed in us when we were a child.
My mother is talking bad about me too. Luckily not to a lot of people (she doesn't have friends, so that limits the options  ;-)). When I hear about it, I choose to simply tell people : "look, when I was younger, things happened in my FOO. It's very personal, I do not want to talk about it and I wish you don't interfere." I had to tell this to my aunt. It's very clear that she chooses sides with my mum, but so be it. I still have a rather good relationship with my aunt (the only family I have left except my daughter, so I'm glad). But if I did not, I would dig with it too. My mother speaks bad about me, it's not my choice, it's hers. I cannot do anything about it. And when a mother speaks bad of her own child, it says more about her, than about the child. If people take sides and start to avoid me because of it, I'd assume those people are not worth my time or energy. Some things we just cannot change.


Is your partner aware of the dynamics of your mother and the people around her ? Is it something you both can talk about together ?
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2016, 09:56:08 AM »

I know this seems silly, but as I read your last comment I turned into a puddle of my own tears.  Its liberating, really.  Its so difficult to talk to people who don't understand how my mother and I's relationship effects me.  Having you type EXACTLY how I feel and to read that gives me a sense of comfort I cant find words for.  Thank you.

Also, thank you for walking me though my feelings through my mother's cancer.  Your completely right, her deciding not to talk to me is her choice.  Not mine.  I fully understand that this is her tool to manipulate me to come back and speak to her.  Once I do there is no apology, she just acts like nothing ever happened and will refuse to talk to me about the argument after it is over. 

Working on not being guilty is going to take some time for me.  I do talk to my fiancĂ© about this, but he has a hard time understanding my need to pull away (he has a very overbearing mother as well).  I know he just doesn't understand, but he is better at respecting my choices whenever I decide not to speak to her. 

Once I work on releasing my guilt I have to work on isolation.  Since she pits my sister and I against each other she is always talking to one and not talking to the other.  So now, she is not speaking with me.  I am ok with that, but she makes sure to rub it in my face by posting pictures on facebook and tagging my sister in cute quotes etc.  This makes me feel extremely isolated and sad.  My sister doesn't play into this, which makes me feel better.  It took us so long to figure out why we hated each other for most of our lives, and now we know.  Honestly, I would go 3 or 4 years not speaking to my sister.  Luckily that is not happening now.  I think the world of her and love her very much. 

So, I guess, with Christmas coming up that these feelings are amplified.  I will see her at family functions and it kills me but I am actually extremely anxious to see her.  It physically makes me ill, but I want to be there for my Grandma.

Thank you Fie, for continuing to talk this out with me.  I cant explain how great it feels to be in the same boat as others.  You have made my week.  Seriously. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2016, 10:59:42 AM »

Regarding guilt - maybe this helps - you can't take care of someone else if you are not taking care of yourself.

Maybe I can sort the words out in my head to explain what I mean  Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) 
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2016, 04:12:34 PM »

I feel very happy knowing that I was able to help     Guess you have made my week now, too   

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she makes sure to rub it in my face by posting pictures on facebook and tagging my sister in cute quotes etc.  This makes me feel extremely isolated and sad.

Very understandable !
Do you think maybe you can unfriend her on facebook, or simply un-follow her ?

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So, I guess, with Christmas coming up that these feelings are amplified.  I will see her at family functions and it kills me but I am actually extremely anxious to see her.  It physically makes me ill, but I want to be there for my Grandma.

I understand very well you want to be there for your Grandma. Grandmas are special ! Mine died last summer and I am missing her very much. I always had a good relationship with my grandma who's still alive, but I recently discovered she's BPD as well. Now I can make sense of why she always had those fights with my dad (her son). With me she was always nice, until last Christmas... .The holidays unfortunately sometimes give people a lot of stress.

This is the first year I will not celebrate Christmas with my family (except my daughter). Strangely enough I don't really feel sad about that. I will go celebrate with a good friend, and I'm actually looking forward to my first 'normal' Christmas !

In my country the 26th of december also kind of is a sort of holiday. Would it be an option for you to go see your grandma on that date ? Or the night of the 24th ? Just an idea. I am thinking of ways to make your grandma feel she's important to you, while still having fun yourself.
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