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« on: December 16, 2016, 07:53:41 AM »

Hi all,
I haven't posted here in years! Sorry 
Anyway, my BPD mom is 78, widowed, lonely, depressed, cannot drive much anymore, etc.  I usually talk to her once a week and she spends the phone call detailing her various doctor's appointments.

The last two times I took my kids to see her were Rosh Hashanah and Thanksgiving. During the first visit she was pissy because the chicken didn't come out well/my cousin was there/my son didn't spend enough time with her. We didn't talk for several weeks after.

The second time she was pissy because my kids were leaving stuff around her house/she works very hard to keep the house clean/I spend too much time interacting with my kids/my husband doesn't ask her enough about her health/my son ignored her. She was actually stomping around and muttering to herself. My kids were kind of anxious about it. Since then, we haven't talked for three weeks.

I don't feel like calling her. She hasn't called me. It's the holidays and it's cold and she's a depressed elderly widow.  For all I know she could be planning an overdose or something.

Do I still have to call her?
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 08:43:09 AM »

Hi MeanLittleFace- ( love the name- Laugh out loud (click to insert in post))

I struggle with a similar situation- an elderly widowed BPD mother who is alone at the holidays. Yet, when we do include her in family events, it is chaotic. She will get pissy over things like the wrong noodles in the soup, or the kids accidentally got something messy.

Do I have to call her?

No, you do not have to call her or anyone really. The question is harder than that though. It isn't about her but about you.

How will you feel if you do call her?
How will you feel if you don't call her?
What about the kids? What do they want? What example do you want to show them when it comes to treating parents?

These are not easy questions and you may feel ambivalent about them. By trying to sort them out, you can hopefully feel as comfortable as possible with the decision you make.

The first one is the terms of the relationship- NC, LC, C. Like you, I have chosen to remain in contact with my mother- which means we do call her during holidays. She lives a distance from us so we don't feel we need to visit or have her visit us- but we do call. I also send a gift at her birthday and holidays.

One idea is reactivity. Can we be less reactive to our mothers moods, feelings, up and down and just be consistent? This way, we are acting from our own decisions, not reacting to her. If we become reactive, then we are just drifting along with her moods. If we choose to act regardless of her, then we are in control of our choices. When my father died, I was so angry at my mother, I don't think I cared if I spoke to her at all. But I was not comfortable with NC. A very wise -older- friend advised me to call my mother at regular intervals- regardless of what mood she was in. I could choose that interval- once a week, once every two weeks. With regular calls, my mother knew to expect them. My calls were not based on reacting to her, but my own choices.

With what example to set for my kids? This was a hard one. I didn't want to teach them to accept abusive behavior. I also didn't want to teach them that it is OK to ignore an elderly parent just because they are difficult. For some families, NC is the right choice because the abuse is severe. In my case, I could deal with her- she didn't have that big of an impact on the family- I did protect my kids from her in ways when they were younger, but they aren't affected by her much. So, I decided we would call her on holidays and the kids would speak to her too.

This idea has been tested. My mother got really angry at us for something right before her birthday. I asked her if she wanted us to call and she said no. So we respected that. But we still sent a card and a gift. I don't know if she kept them or threw them out, but that wasn't the point, the reason I sent them was because I decided to, not for her reaction.

So, no, you don't have to call her. But also consider the idea of consistency vs reactivity. If you do not choose to go NC, a decision to call on some sort of regular schedule/birthday/holiday- no matter what her moods- may answer your question.

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 09:40:55 AM »

Do I still have to call her?

For me, not calling is worse.  I will make a quick call, with the hopes my mother won't pick up.  She always does.  I give her the quick chat, and move on.  No more than 10 minutes, if even that.  If I don't call, I find I spend my day full of obnoxious thoughts about will she call, when will she call, when she calls- will she be mad, happy, etc?  I eliminate all those calls by calling her.

My mom is not a nice a person. She truly doesn't deserve a relationship with me.  My mom is 77, has been widowed for 22 years, and she can be quite mean when she wants to be.  On those days- I hang up or leave wherever I am with her.   

I agree with Notwendy. You have to think about how you will feel if you do or don't call her, and what you are teaching your children. I am childless, but my nieces and nephew have no contact with my mom, just like their father (my brother.)  My mother has been nothing by awful to my sister-in-law, which the children have witnessed. They want nothing to do with their grandmother, and I don't blame them.  They understand my mother has an untreated mental illness; and they want to have compassion for her, but they can't find it after some of the mean things she has said to them.

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 05:24:24 PM »

Others gave you some good stuff to think about. I wanted to offer another idea of sending a card. Contact w/o conversation :-)
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2016, 05:58:46 PM »

Thank you all for your replies. The calling/not calling dilemma is a pretty even split right now. I did send my daughters school photo in the mail, which is a somewhat friendly gesture. It's just hard for me to break the ice after three weeks of silence. I just hate calling her when I know ahead of time that she might be mean. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2016, 06:21:41 PM »

The great part about deciding to call her or not- based on your own choice- is that it isn't dependent on her being nice or mean- or her at all. It helps to know how to enforce boundaries- and on the phone means hanging up. Not in a rude way- but politely and without JADE - ing ( doesn't work anyway ). A quick validation statement and then goodbye.

Hi Mom- called to wish you happy Hannukah!

Mom says something mean.

Gosh mom I understand that you feel this way. I need to get off the phone now but I hope to talk to you soon. Happy Hannukah- bye.

Probably she will call you back- let the answering machine get it. There may be lots of mean messages. That's what delete messages is for  Smiling (click to insert in post)

Then you can call back later. As to the boundary- repeat as necessary. For me - actions are more effective than circular explanations. Remaining calm- disengage with validation and love- eventually shows her that you will not engage in drama while still being in contact with her.
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2016, 04:20:37 AM »

What is JADE-ing?
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2016, 04:38:51 AM »

It stands for Justify, Argue, Defend, Explain.

It was a real eye opener to see how often I did this- usually in response to some accusation that wasn't true. But instead of getting my point across- it added fuel to the drama- resulted in a circular argument that got nowhere.

Learning not to do this- to validate the feeling ( not the fact - as the accusation was often not true- but the feeling " it must hurt to feel this way" ) and then disengage politely made a big difference in my interactions.
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