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412Ron

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« on: November 21, 2024, 04:31:11 PM »

Hi,
After 16 plus years of a very challenging marriage I was recently notified in a an individual session by our couples therapist that my wife exhibits most traits of BPD.  She recommended  the book "Stop Walking on Eggshells" which I immediately purchased and began reading.  This particular therapist has been far more helpful than previous attempts at therapy and is very professional in how she works with both my wife and me.  Simply nudging me in this direction opened up a world to me that not only validated my feelings but helped me to understand something that I've been blindly trying to solve on my own for years.  I'm still less than half way through the book because I'm afraid to bring the book home where she might find it, but I read it away from home whenever I get the chance and have also been listening to podcasts on this topic during my work commute.  The more I learn on this topic, the more makes sense to me about my marriage challenges and my wife's feelings.  I hope to continue to learn more and seek support from others who have actually experienced the types of family challenges I've been dealing with.  Specifically, it has been my sole mission to sacrifice anything  necessary in my personal life to ensure our two teenage children are affected as little as possible.  This has meant staying with a partner who has been wildly out of line toward me and seems to build more and more hate toward me as the years go on while her family and social life seem to be eroding at a rapid pace.  Several very close family members have actually moved out of state to get far away from her and the perpetual drama cycles that she used to pull them into.  This has been very difficult on the entire family.  We are near a breaking point again but this time is different.  Now I am seeing things much differently and although I have lost a lot of hope for her to improve, I can at least make sense of her behavior and where our future might be headed.  My ultimate hope is to be able to hold it together long enough that she can get the help she needs and learn how to manage this as a couple to hopefully bring happiness back into our marriage.  Has anyone else on here knowingly made years long commitments to stay with a BPD partner, knowing it will almost certainly end in an ugly divorce, to ensure their kids have security and guidance specifically because they do not trust their partner to provide a stable household to raise the kids in if custody were split? 
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2024, 09:20:11 PM »

I am in the same situation here brother,  I posted a few days ago for the first time as well.  Will be praying for you and your family and if I find any solutions (aside from below) that help I'll post here.

Not sure if you are a church person but so far getting my wife to church and focused more on surrendering her life to God and building patience has helped reduce the fits of rage considerably  it went from every couple weeks to now every couple months.  It also helps the kids have a rock to lean on during the dark times.  Not to mention to patience you get from it as well. 


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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2024, 07:34:06 AM »

Thank you for your kind words and prayers.  We used to attend church somewhat regularly but it never became permanent and eventually my wife lost interest so we all kind of just quit going.  I have been contemplating finding a new church but I don't think my wife would be open to it, at least anytime soon.  You mentioned patience.  It takes a great deal of patience to navigate the waters of BPD, especially when you are not aware of what you are dealing with, but just trying to hang in there.  Patience is paramount.  I feel for you and your partner as this was not something that was chosen by either of you.   I'm glad you are finding help through God and I wish you and your family the best.     
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2024, 10:22:12 AM »

Hello 412Ron, I'd like to join with Anon guy 47 to say Welcome

So glad to hear you've found a therapist you respect, who can also work effectively with your wife. Getting a client's buy-in and commitment to the therapy process is a huge step, so it's great that both of you already have that.

It's also wise of you to refrain, like you're doing right now, from sharing BPD-specific info with your wife. BPD tends to impact the closest relationships the most -- those tend to be the most difficult and volatile, with the most emotional baggage -- so for a person to hear "you might have BPD" isn't always effective/positive coming from a spouse. Your therapist will know best if or when to raise that with her, so I hope you can rest assured that reading about it solo isn't "hiding something", it's you learning to be more effective in a non-triggering way for her. Telling her the label isn't as important as you building new tools, skills, and approaches, to turn down the temperature of the conflicts.

How old are your teens -- younger or older? How have they seemed to be doing with the home situation? And are they in any kind of therapy at all?

My husband's kids' mom has many BPD traits and behaviors. His kids are 16 & 18 now, and at least in our case, it's easier to navigate BPD in the family when the kids are older vs younger (though each family is different).

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This has meant staying with a partner who has been wildly out of line toward me and seems to build more and more hate toward me as the years go on while her family and social life seem to be eroding at a rapid pace.  Several very close family members have actually moved out of state to get far away from her and the perpetual drama cycles that she used to pull them into.  This has been very difficult on the entire family.  We are near a breaking point again but this time is different.  Now I am seeing things much differently and although I have lost a lot of hope for her to improve, I can at least make sense of her behavior and where our future might be headed.

Tell me some more about that. Is there a recurring core theme or topic of the conflicts/drama cycles? Something like "you never listen to me", or "you always take your family's side", or "you're cheating again and I know it", etc?

My ultimate hope is to be able to hold it together long enough that she can get the help she needs and learn how to manage this as a couple to hopefully bring happiness back into our marriage. 

Learning how to manage as a couple is a good goal. It may help to think of BPD as a chronic disorder or long-term/permanent impairment. If your spouse used a wheelchair, there would be many things that she simply could not do, and hoping or expecting her to "do her fair share" of getting items off the top shelf, for example, would leave you resentful, exhausted, and frustrated. "I do 90% around here, why can't she do more?" Again, the wheelchair example is so obvious, that we can easily understand that it won't be a perfectly fair 50/50 relationship, but it's a choice to be in a relationship with someone who needs a wheelchair, and getting resentful about it doesn't help anything.

BPD is not as visible, but it is also significantly impairing and limiting... in the emotional/relational (vs physical) arena. Your W has impactful, significant, long-term emotional limitations, and seeing your relationship as an "emotional special needs" relationship may be a way to radically accept the reality of your situation, grieve for what you don't get, and move towards better management of the real relationship as a couple.

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Take a look at some of those links, when you have a chance, and let us know what stands out to you;

-kells76
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2024, 01:38:08 PM »

Hi Kells76,
Thank you for your response.  Yes, several common themes include her feeling that I prioritize my family ahead of her, I only care about money, I have no empathy, I've been accused of cheating in the past, hiding money from her, etc.

I appreciate your analogy about dealing with someone with a physical disability such as a wheel chair.  I agree that this could be viewed similarly, however I feel especially hurt when the attacks (or fits of rage) are aimed directly at me with false accusations and threats.  I've never had to care for a loved one with a disability but I could imagine they would show appreciation for the help they get rather than respond with verbal abuse.  This is especially hard considering that I have never knowingly or intentionally said or done anything to hurt her and have given and given and given time, energy, love, support, money, etc to show that I care, only to be told that our failing marriage is 100% my fault and that she has no hope for loving me ever again.  So where do people like me find hope for the future if all the good I try to do is met with hate and anger and there is zero appreciation?



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