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« on: January 01, 2025, 11:29:06 PM »

Hello, I'm newly married and it hasn't been going well, we are a young married couple and have been fighting a lot. I'm going crazy here trying to save the relationship. I've been doing lots of research and starting to think my spouse has BPD. I want to post about my experiences and see if people have had similar experiences with a spouse with bpd. There's two sides to every story and maybe I'm just an ass for thinking she might have BPD.

I work full-time Monday to Friday working 40-50 hours a week.  My spouse works Tuesday to Saturday. We have discussed that at one point it would be nice for her to be a stay at home mom (once we have kids) but know for the time being we both need to work. But consistently every Saturday morning she wakes up and loses it on me. She gets so upset that "make her go to work" and that I'm not providing for her. "You're not a man" "you're a failure of a man" "you're useless to me" "if i knew you were this lazy i wouldnt of married you" are some of the things she says to me. I usually get up with her and get her water filled and start her car and sometimes if there is time I make her tea as I do these things she's saying all these insults at me. I try not to take anything personal because she always tells me that's just how she feels in the moment. I dread Saturday mornings.

She also says I don't pay enough attention to her and some stuff I can see her point on and have said yes I need to pay attention in certain areas. But when she's getting ready for bed I make sure she has water, I get her glasses out for her as she takes contacts out and I get her phone for her and place everything on her bedside table. I always fill her water bottle up when it gets low and try very hard to pay attention to what she needs at the moment.

She says at the gym I don't pay attention to her. She says some guys will look at her more than I do. When we workout together we do all the same exercises I always grab her weights or switch weights for her and I often count her reps for her. I'm so confused about what she means I don't pay attention to her at the gym when we do every exercise together. Yeah I might look at my phone sometimes switch songs and check something but I feel like I'm paying attention to her. She gets really upset and says she wishes I care more but I thought I'm showing her I care by doing all these things. Like does she want me to stare at her the whole time at the gym.
She will get upset when I get tired of doing a foot massage after a while my hands get tired but she'll get upset and say I don't love her. She's often said if you won't do the things I need I'll find somebody who will and who truly loves me. I get so confused like yes I can do better in some areas but I feel like I'm showing her love by the things i do. I do most of all the house work, I'm always doing all the dishes/cleaning up. we do our own laundry. Once in a while I get her flowers I get her sweets that she likes but it never seems to be enough. Maybe I need to surprise her more with more stuff I don't know. I don't know if it's me that's the issue.
 Everyday we have off together we always seem to spend the first five hours apart because we're fighting about something and one of us storms off. Sometimes I just can't hear all these insults I need to leave. I get so many insults thrown my way and I don't get it. I don't feel it's deserved, I feel very disrespected and unappreciated. Does this sound like someone with bpd,
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2025, 05:04:07 AM »

@Trevor,

Welcome - Many of us can relate to what you describe.  If not actually BPD, your wife's behaviors sound BPD-ish.

A few questions:

Does your wife get anything for you?  Water, tea, anything?
Does your wife pay attention to you at the gym?
Do other women pay attention to you at the gym?  If so, would you mention it to your wife?

I'm flipping the script because sometimes it's helpful to look at things from another perspective.

It sounds like you're doing some things that are unappreciated, and also like your wife is feeling a certain way (about herself? about you?) and so whatever you do or don't do gets framed in the lens of whatever she's feeling.

What were things like before the wedding?  How long did you date?  Is this all entirely new, or has your wife expressed herself this way in the past?

For BPD (or BPD-ish) people, disordered thinking sometimes leads to a disconnect between "what I want someday" and "what I feel right now" and perhaps some of what's happening for your wife (and for you) is related to the recent wedding:  Your wife imagined that she'd be happily at home and starting a family almost instantly after the wedding... 

In my experience, like you, I tried to demonstrate attentiveness and affection and interest and compassion with acts of service and gifts and and and... it was never enough.  14 years and 3 kids later... divorced. 

I encourage you to dig deep and figure out what you want - what's really important to you. In the end:  The only thing in your control is yourself.

There are certainly things you can learn to do to validate your wife's feelings and avoid her triggers.  For some, that's enough.

Or, your wife may simply be processing this new marriage in a very entitled frame of mind, without much thought given to you or to her vows...  it's supposed to be a 2-way deal, right?  Care for each other?  Doesn't sound like she's particularly focused on what she can do for you at this point?   At risk of giving you shallow words of encouragement, the current situation might pass as you both adjust to being married.

At about 3 years in, my uBPDxw was slinging divorce threats. I told her, calmly, that if she continued to use that language that I would take her at her word, and we would be divorced. The threats stopped for about 10 years.  For me, there were multiple lessons in this:  One lesson was that it's possible to set a boundary.  Another lesson was that I was only addressing superficial behaviors and not really dealing with deeply seated issues that eventually came out later...

Hopefully something here resonates?

Good luck!
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2025, 12:50:05 PM »

Thank you for the response. As I don't know what to talk to about these issues I'm having.
To answer some of the questions she sometimes gets me her leftover food from her lunch if she didn't eat all of it. Sometimes she brings back when she goes to see her friend who's over an hour away from this place we like. But I'm usually asleep as she comes home at around 10 -11ish on a work day.

At the gym shes often is in her own world I sometimes have to wave my hand in her face to get her attention to ask her what exercise she wants to do next. I've asked why she she doesn't pay attention to me and she says it's because I don't pay attention to her at the gym so it's deserved.

Yes other woman pay attention to me at the gym but I don't speak of it I'm married and committed to one so I never bring it up it's not a big deal to me. But when someone looks at her and she notices it she seems to get a thill out of it because
she'll talk about it a lot after the gym.
We weren't living together before married, and we did have some fights. She always said I didn't put enough effort in so I'd try to do more special things that she would appreciate. I just thought I have to be more attentive and put more effort into it. Sometimes I didn't understand but tried to hear her. I feel like there's always something new that I'm doing wrong or not enough of. I remember a while ago she mentioned to me when she was younger she thought she had BPD I never really believed it until I started seeing her behavior and then I started looking into it.

We're only five months in and it's already been a lot o deal with for me. I want our relationship to work but don't want to spend the rest of my live feeling disrespected and unappreciated.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2025, 10:04:51 PM »

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I want our relationship to work but don't want to spend the rest of my live feeling disrespected and unappreciated.

i hear you.

a really good place to start would be with the "surviving confrontation and disrespect" part of the lessons here: https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=347836.msg13133028#msg13133028

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I try not to take anything personal because she always tells me that's just how she feels in the moment.

having thick skin will help. having perspective will help. having realistic expectations; all helpful.

the disrespect and insults, relationship threats, left unchecked, will not only erode your (anyones) self esteem, but the relationship.

you mentioned that she explains its just how she feels in the moment when she says these things, so i gather that its a thing that has come up for discussion?

in general, you want to use those opportunities: times of calm, regular relationship check in kind of stuff, to try to nip that sort of thing in the bud. it wont be easy. the problem didnt start over night and wont be solved over night, it has become a part of the dynamic of your relationship in a multi-faceted way, and i suspect this is behavior that shes displayed in other relationships. its what she knows, and in a sense, it works for her.

but ideally, you want to, in essence, model that there are better, healthier ways (positive reinforcement), and that your relationship is better than the insults and the threats. it takes a long time to build trust and a sense of relationship security, and there will always be challenges, but it can be done.

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Sometimes I didn't understand but tried to hear her

hearing (listening) will get you everywhere.

the thing about people with bpd traits, and insecure attachment styles, is that they tend to communicate their needs, but they go about it in dysfunctional, and often counter-productive ways. they also intuitively understand real limits.

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She says at the gym I don't pay attention to her.

for example, this is clearly a bid for attention of some sort. whether its really about what takes place or not at the gym, im not sure. what type of attention exactly (whether she wants you to literally ogle her in the gym), im not sure. shes also threatening you with other male attention; thats something she learned a long time ago.

did you try asking her? its a natural tendency to want to counter an accusation with facts to the contrary, but it tends to miss the point. often times, asking/listening is not only easier, is generally validating, and, while its important to note that if she were better at communicating her needs clearly she already would have done so, the more you listen, the more likely you are to get clues and be able to hone in - read between the lines of the distortions.

im mostly speaking in generalities here, about a couple of the specifics in your OP, to give you an idea. this is really more of a lifestyle change, and a multi-faceted approach, that you build slowly over time, with the goal of building a validating environment, trust, and relationship security. for example, constructive relationship talks, but also time outs when/if needed, identifying where we might be reinforcing negative behavior, theres a lot to it.

i would recommend grabbing a copy of both stop caretaking the borderline, and loving someone with bpd to get a broader sense of this multi-faceted approach. the former speaks mostly to that "reinforcing negative behavior" part, and the latter is about building that validating environment.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2025, 05:15:55 PM »

Hi Trevor,

I also highly recommend the book, stop caretaking the borderline or narcissist. I’m glad you have found help and support fairly early on in your relationship and marriage. The way you describe things sounds a lot like how my relationship with my dbpdw used to be. Me trying desperately hard to please her, her telling me it wasn’t good enough, me trying even harder, her telling me even more viciously that I wasn’t meeting her standards..: and repeat.

I was with my wife for six years before I found bpd family. I would have thought, if I knew such a community existed, that the advice would by about how to keep a pwbpd happy. That’s why I was getting everything wrong. And making things worse. Read up as much as you can, there is lots to learn on this site. My advice is not to share your specific concerns about bpd with your wife, in most cases this only makes things worse, but it depends to what degree she can admit she has a problem. In my wife’s case, she was actually diagnosed, but having beaten an eating disorder and self harm she considers herself cured so I have never mentioned the other effects on our lives caused by her ongoing bpd. Take care of yourself. Stand up for yourself kindly but take no Sh1t. These people are bullies, they may not be so intentionally.. they often have a traumatic past.., for whatever reason their brain development has been stunted at a young age. Whilst this is tragic.. and I fully respect your vows and if you choose to stay committed to making this marriage work..: it does not have to destroy you though. If you don’t believe in something she says, there are ways to validate her feelings without agreeing and ending up saying and promising things you don’t even believe in. You don’t have to be her slave. Good luck with your journey:
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2025, 07:23:55 PM »

At about 3 years in, my uBPDxw was slinging divorce threats. I told her, calmly, that if she continued to use that language that I would take her at her word, and we would be divorced. The threats stopped for about 10 years.  For me, there were multiple lessons in this:  One lesson was that it's possible to set a boundary.  Another lesson was that I was only addressing superficial behaviors and not really dealing with deeply seated issues that eventually came out later...

The boundary cited above was concerning a word, divorce.  Not that impossible to avoid.  The point is it didn't fix the discord, it just lowered the level a little by hiding a single verbal threat.  So you need meaningful and practical boundaries that promote better behavior and a healthier relationship.  Read the Boundary topics here:
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Try to avoid my mistake.  I had been married for over a decade but over time my spouse had gradually caused problems with others, family and finally me.  I was clueless about mental health issues and thought if we had a child then she'd be happy watching our child discover life.  Didn't happen.  She became fixated on 'her' child and treated everyone else even worse, especially me.  That's when I learned the hard way that though children are wonderful blessings, acting-out mental health issues aren't fixed and almost always get worse.  Many here like myself ran out of workable options and the relationship still ended, which was even more complicated to accomplish because having children added custody and parenting issues to the process.

There are no guarantees (pro or con) in relationships but you already are experiencing concerning discord.  Best to avoid having children until you're sure the relationship has a healthy future.

Here's a post I made recently with a perspective that may be helpful:
Three years and this push-pull off-on pattern persists?  One phrase sometimes mentioned is, Past history is a glimpse of future history.  Ponder that.  In other words, three years with you and her behavior hasn't improved or recovered?  That's not progress.

What does her therapist say?  Have you been invited to sit in on a session?  Or does she even have a therapist?

One aspect of people with BPD traits (pwBPD) is that it impacts most the closest of relationships.  Others in peripheral contact may notice something 'off' but not much more.  Why haven't you been able to make headway in the relationship?  It may be that there's too much emotional baggage of the relationship for what you say to get past it.  Instead, an emotionally neutral person such as a therapist might make progress, but even that is not a sure thing.

Have you heard of BPD FOG?
F.O.G. = Fear, Obligation, Guilt

I'll speak now of the Obligation aspect and how that affects a relationship.  Thus far you have only an expectation of marriage.  Can you see that if you get married then you will have entered into a more obligated relationship?  Going one step further, can you see that having children with her makes you even more obligated to the relationship?

Very likely the deeper you would go into the relationship - without her benefiting from meaningful counseling or therapy - the more you will see such concerning behavior.  There is a reason this is called disordered thinking, it is dysfunctional to at least some extent.
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