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« on: April 21, 2025, 05:22:31 PM »

Hi there.  11 years of chaos with DIL.  Husband, son (married to BPD) and I have all done therapy with a BPD-knowledgable counselor.  My son has apparently decided to accept everything she demands, which includes no contact with me-- to not lose his kids.  She has accused him of everything, including sexual abuse of their baby daughter (since disproven emphatically by a pediatric forensic detective), had him arrested several times. My husband doesn't seem to get it completely--sees her "positive behaviors" as the real version of her. I had managed to navigate the last 10 years, somewhat successfully--really to maintain connection to son and be there for grandkids, now 6 and 10. But--I have recently been discarded and she has the quite the narrative of MY abuse to HER over the years. She continues to send pics of grandkids to husband and invite him to connect with kids. It was hard today because I made one last attempt to bridge the gulf and she just used it to put some more nails in the coffin of my vile character. Quite a trigger because my father was similarly abusive and abandoning, but I have some good people with solid BPD awareness. Today I'm grieving the loss of my grands and son.  It has helped, weirdly, to hear some of your similar stories.  Less crazy-making.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2025, 05:27:28 AM »

Yes, unfortunately it's a common pattern. It's good that your DIL still keeps a connection with your H. If you know this is a pattern- go along with it- for the benefit of your grandchildren and son.

I'm an adult child of a BPD mother. My parents are both deceased. There was a similar pattern in my family. My mother disliked my father's side of the family and in general- it was the female family members on both sides, (me included) who seemed to be the one "targeted" when she was angry.

If you consider projection, if a female is projecting aspects of herself on to someone else- a female person is a more similar model.

Another reason- they were "on" to her disorder- and this causes her to feel shame. The outward persona is a part of this. Fear of abandonment if someone really knows the parts of her she feels shame about.

Your H has an advantage if this is happening. He's male. He also seems to see her good side. It makes sense- I think we'd all prefer to be in contact with people who see our better side. In general, the males in my mother's circle seemed to be empathetic to my mother.

No much was known about BPD at the time but my father's family didn't say a word about her and did stay connected to my father and us kids through him.

My mother was controlling and my father also agreed to her wishes. Why he did this is complicated. It takes two to have a relationship like this. My mother also perceived people as being on her side or not her side- and making them choose her side. Read about the Karpman triangle dynamics. From my experience, the pwBPD is in Victim position. Your son is expected to be Rescuer. You are in persecutor position at the moment.

https://www.bpdfamily.com/content/karpman-drama-triangle

This is a pattern, it's less about you than the dysfunction. I understand you are grieving. This is difficult. Your DIL knows you are "on" to her. What she's afraid of is that you will influence your son to leave her, say something to her grandchildren or they will like you better than her. I know this doesn't make sense but - we can not change anyone's thinking and at the moment, your son is going along with this for the sake of the children.

But she left one door open- with your H. And the best chance of keeping this open is that you and your H go along with it. Let him see her with rose colored glasses. This is why he is able to keep contact. Contact is your main goal.

Do not react personally to what your DIL says. If you do encounter her by chance, stay friendly and nice. Sometimes the Karpman triangle dynamics change and someone else may be in the persecutor position. One doesn't know what can happen but emotions do change. We call being less emotionally reactive "grey rock"- as it helps lessen the drama. Just keep in mind that underneath her behavior is fear- somehow she feels threatened by you, even if it's not true, and to her, her feelings feel true.













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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2025, 09:04:40 AM »

I’m so sorry you’ve had to deal with this, but you sound switched on to what’s happening.
Quite a trigger because my father was similarly abusive and abandoning, but I have some good people with solid BPD awareness. Today I'm grieving the loss of my grands and son.  It has helped, weirdly, to hear some of your similar stories.  Less crazy-making.
If your father was similar, this will make you more predisposed to her F.O.G. tatics, but I’m guessing you may know this. Grieve your grandchildren for now, when they become of age, they’ll probably realise what’s gone on and come home to roust. I’m very close to my kids now, even though their NPD mother isolated them for years. My mother was BPD, and I’m close to my siblings now too. Time is a great healer.  Virtual hug (click to insert in post)
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