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« on: February 01, 2018, 09:07:08 AM »

This is my first post. I believe my sister & probably my mom both have BPD. I also believe my sister also has Bi-polar. I say I believe this because neither one of them have ever told me of any diagonses, but I’ve picked up some clues. Sis was in the hospital in-patient then out-patient last year & told me at that time that she was prescribed Lithium (hence my belief on the bi-polar), which she has since stopped taking. Additionally, just this week while raging at me through text she mentioned that she was using tools she learned through DBT, which I had to Google. Then finding out that DBT is primarily used for BPD treatment, coupled with my growing suspicion that my sis has BPD, plus a lifetime of witnessing her behaviors, makes it pretty clear. Also, mom & sis have very similar behaviors. I’ve learned to have a relationship with mom that involves lots of boundaries & it’s working for me. Until very recently, I had a very close relationship with my sister, and she had never really turned her rage on to me (well, since we’ve bern adults at least).

Here’s my issue/question/heartache: suddenly a few months ago, sis decided she no longer wants a relationship with me or my daughters. Oh, I should mention that she & mom haven’t had a relationship for about 20 years. So, sis decides she wants nothing to do with me & after much prodding, it comes out that she cannot stand seeing me have a relationship with mom & she also thinks I should stand up to mom & tell her to stop abusing my sister. Now, I do stand up to mom if she ever says anything about sis, which she doesn’t any longer because of the strong boundaries I’ve set.

So, my heart is broken, but I feel sis will cool off & come back. I tell her I love her & I’ll be there when she’s ready. Then our grandfather dies, and she calls me & talks to me as if nothing ever happened (this is about 6 weeks after the blow-up). But, she goes back to being cold in the following days. I give her space, but then between an uncle encouraging me to try to mend with her & Dr. Phil (LOL), I reach out this week by text to tell her I hope she’s well & that I’ll be driving through near her soon & would love to see her (we live in different states). Well, that was a mistake because she totally blasted me. For two days, she blasted me with awful, vile, vitriol texts. Even when I stopped responding, she kept at it. My main concern is that over the past couple of months she’s built up this story about me in her head where not only do I maintain a relationship with my mom, but I have been actively involved in trashing sis to my mom for her entire life in order to be seen as the “good” one in mom’s eyes! I was absolutely stunned. It cannot be farther from the truth, but sis absolutely appears to believe it. She called me everything from a trash person, snake, liar, fake, and backstabber. It ended with her telling me she’s blocked me on all social media & was changing her number so I could no longer contact her. Also, that I can no longer have contact with my young niece, even though she previously saud I could. My heart is so broken!

I think she is no longer treating the bipolar or BPD. I believe she only did about 3 months of the DBT last year. I’m wondering if this almost delusional-like thinking she has is normal? Is there anything I can do? Fortunately, I’ve been through years of therapy myself to deal with my own issues from being raised by a (likely) BPD mom who is also an alcoholic, so sis’s personal attack, while very difficult to witness, has not itself hurt me. To me, it’s like witnessing my sister being possessed by a demon; I know it’s not her talking. Just looking for some help in understanding & some support to not feel so alone in this.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2018, 10:25:49 AM »

Wow I am so sorry you are going through all this. I am glad you found us. There are good and supportive people on these forums. You are not alone. These types of relationships take a terrible toll on loved ones. Are you doing anything to help take care of yourself? Do you have a therapist? Have you read any of the lessons on this site? There are many great people here who will have similar experiences. Keep reading and keep posting. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2018, 11:09:13 AM »

Wow I am so sorry you are going through all this. I am glad you found us. There are good and supportive people on these forums. You are not alone. These types of relationships take a terrible toll on loved ones. Are you doing anything to help take care of yourself? Do you have a therapist? Have you read any of the lessons on this site? There are many great people here who will have similar experiences. Keep reading and keep posting. 

Thanks so much. Yes, my therapist helps. I just discovered this site today & the articles are helping me understand better.

Is it “normal” for BPD people to create stories or false “realities” about people? I am really struggling with that. Not only was she raging, but she was telling me how she’s finally “figured it all out”, etc. I was so shocked that she would even think those things, let alone believe them. Like I said, it’s like she’s possessed.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2018, 05:21:11 PM »

Is it “normal” for BPD people to create stories or false “realities” about people? I am really struggling with that. Not only was she raging, but she was telling me how she’s finally “figured it all out”, etc. I was so shocked that she would even think those things, let alone believe them. Like I said, it’s like she’s possessed.

I think it falls well within what is normal for a BPD person to alter reality for their own purposes (feeling secure in themselves despite how fragmented they are as people).

My heart goes out to you. I can relate to a lot of what you've said, here. There are a few things - a few BPD tendencies - that stand out to me, that might be at play in your situation.

1] BPD black-and-white thinking. BPD people tend to vacillate between idealizing and demonizing others based on whether that person is meeting their needs. For example, my sister has at different points in our lives spread grand exaggerated tales of how amazing I am, and horror stories about what a terrible, cruel person I am. When I am going along with her whims in order to keep the peace, I am great. When I am enforcing boundaries or trying to hold her accountable, I am evil.

I have learned to accept that everything she says, does and thinks is not about me. It can only ever be about her. But if I'm being totally honest, it still hurts. Particularly when she poisons people against me, which she has done off and on over the years. I have found that any relationship of mine that she can touch - any mutual friends or family members - will be weaponized against me when she doesn't get her way in our relationship, or when she fears abandonment or rejection from me.

For this reason I try to keep her socially separate from my life, and I've learned to accept that my contact with some people in her life who I really care about will be sporadic at times. It's crazy-making, but there's not much I can do about it except set boundaries and limitations for my interactions with her and hope for the best.

2] The BPD tendency to edit and revise reality to suit their needs. Sometimes my sister will do major editing to better cast herself as a victim (and therefore anyone who tries to hold her accountable for her behavior or even discuss her behavior is a monster) or else to cast herself as better and more accomplished than she is (I think of it as, "She would rather bully and manipulate people into seeing her as a good person than do the hard work of actually becoming that person".

BPD people struggle with identity, and will often try to mold themselves into what they think other people are seeking. This makes them feel more wanted and helps stave off their abject terror of being rejected or abandoned. A huge part of how I've seen that play out is in trying to modify the truth. The truth is evidence against their carefully crafted persona, and it's therefore the enemy. More than anything in the world, they are addicted to being liked, and like any addict they will go to great lengths to feel liked. Tweaking the facts is one of the easier ways to lay the groundwork for that.

In disputes about the truth of things they seem to need to guilt, manipulate, attack or badger people into going along with their narrative rather than live in reality and address reality. Either that or use further edits to reality in order to paint the other person as a lying monster in order to ensure the opposing version isn't given any weight.

My way of combating this tendency in my sister is to keep a journal. When my sister tries to gaslight me and tell me that something didn't happen, or that it happened in a way that was very different from what I remember, it is extremely helpful to be able to refer back to the journal and review my account of that situation. I would almost never share that knowledge with my sister or try to argue with her about the facts. The journal is there to keep me sane through the manipulations of truth.

Like any reasonable person, when someone gives me a different account of an event I tend to question my own memory of it, even when I know the person speaking has a history of lies or embellishment. So in cases where it's not possible to double-check the facts I'm often left wondering what the truth is. It's extremely crazy-making, very gaslighting. It messes with my head. I only wish I'd stuck to journaling throughout my life. It would help me now.

3] The apparent BPD allergy to accountability or personal responsibility of any kind. This goes hand in hand with the previous item in that they often use truth-revising to escape accountability. I don't think this is because they are terrible people, it's just because they live in utter terror of being abandoned or rejected, and admitting to any flaws might give others an excuse to think ill of them or even leave them.

My sister rarely apologizes for anything, no matter how bad her behavior has been. Apologizing means admitting you are wrong, and being wrong is the same as being bad and being bad means giving people grounds for being rejected or abandoned. At least that seems to be her thought process. Similarly, my sister will not get treatment even though she's had a diagnosis because to do so would be to admit there's something wrong with her and she is insistent that she is fine, that others are just evil and want to cast her in a negative light.

The flip side of this is her tendency to take advantage of other people's accountability. Most responsible people, when they make a mistake or lose their temper or something, admit the wrong and apologize and try to change their behavior. If they are in conflict with someone they will admit their role in the conflict and try to move things toward resolution.

My sister seems to have an almost predatory attitude toward other people's accountability and will seize on an apology or admission of guilt as proof that she was in the right, or that she is the victim and the other person was the aggressor. Even when the reverse is true and the other person is just trying to make peace.

I have been able to find no way around this except to try to stick to "we" language rather than "you" or "I". As in, "We have created conflict here, how can we resolve it? Let's both agree to ____." But even that is a minefield.

4] The BPD 'whiteboard' approach to conflict. I see this as a form of gaslighting (as are so many of the BPD behaviors). For example, my sister will freak out and yell and attack me really viciously and say she's never going to speak to me again, and then call me 2 hours later and talk casually, as though nothing ever happened. If I try to discuss it she will gloss it over or else turn it back on me. There is no resolution of the behavior, and no accountability.

5] The BPD lack of empathy or concern for other people's experience. This goes hand in hand with the whole victim thing, and needing to paint things in black-and-white where they are good and the other person is bad. They don't seem to have any perception of or concern for other people's pain. In fact, if anything other people's pain seems to threaten them as evidence of their being bad or rejectable/abandonable and they will attack people for showing that pain.

I should say that I don't believe all BPD people are this way, particularly those in treatment, but this has been my experience of the BPD people in my life. It's really hard. I don't really know all the answers but this board has been helping me a lot. Just feeling not so alone has had a huge impact on my level of stress.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2018, 07:01:50 PM »

Strength_love,

Thank you for that great description of your experience.  I have had a hard time describing to people the way things get turned around, the lack of accountability and empathy.  I am to the point that I feel like I have to abandon everyone in my family to avoid ever seeing her again. It is the only option I have.  I have thought and thought of ways to try to get her into treatment, but she will not ever believe that she is the problem.  What I am worried about now is that she will only get worse.  I think my mother is relying on her for eldercare when the time comes and I am worried about what advanced state she will be in and how she will treat my mother in private.  Does untreated BPD get worse?

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2018, 03:14:16 PM »

I don't know how untreated BPD might evolve. I suspect a lot would depend on the people and situations the BPD person is exposed to over time, their life circumstances, etc. because BPD people are heavily affected by other people's attitudes, personalities, perceptions, expectations and their own perceived role as a victim in life.

I think it's possible, for example, for a BPD person to meet someone they really want to impress who embodies strong accountable, well-adjusted behavior and for that BPD person to actually inadvertently learn some good skills through that relationship and therefore improve. Similarly, it might also be possible for a BPD person to spend a lot of time around people who exacerbate or reinforce their BPD behavior and therefore worsen through those connections.

Life circumstances might also contribute to a worsening or improvement in the behavior. My sister seems to really regress into the worst behavior the more stress and struggle she's dealing with in life. When she's doing well and getting a lot of positive reinforcement through her life circumstances (i.e. financial or social successes) she seems to show slightly improved behavior. When things are going really badly for her she takes on a persecution complex and becomes impossible to deal with.

And it makes sense because ultimately BPD is a disordered way to respond to insecurities and emotional highs and lows.
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