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Author Topic: Should we avoid dysfunctional behaviors? Or are they useful? Effective?  (Read 1939 times)
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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 01:21:55 AM »

In my expierience there is only one thing someone with BPD really cares about, that is if you will leave them,

 

the closer you are to them the greater the fear,

even extracting yourself for a short period and saying you will be back , they won't believe at there core,
 if you are really close a raised eyebrow can swap wine and roses into ww3

you do what you have to , but leaving is the worst.
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Fond memories, fella.


« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 01:30:13 AM »

you do what you have to , but leaving is the worst.
Some extra care is called for when we generalize our experience and apply it to others.  How many hours of abuse would you listen to before you would decide to leave?

If we engage a pwBPD in arguments, and stick around when they are abusing us, might we be depriving them of a chance to learn about the natural consequences of their actions?  Might they perceive the drama of the argument as a reward -- we are investing our attention in them, after all -- a reward that provides more motivation for aggressive verbal behavior in the future?

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 01:37:10 AM »

I said in my experience, and what you end up doing, ultimately it is your decision,

it is certainly a very effective way to bring them in line.  

managing the push pull dynamic of BPD is what it is all about.
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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 08:17:49 AM »

I can think of a couple of concerns about this approach.  If we have empathy for our pwBPD, we may not find it respectful to intentionally expend their energy on a fruitless argument.  It does not seem likely to build trust.  Another concern is that banking on our pwBPD running out of momentum can be a losing game.  Mine can go for hours.  I find that carefully conserving energy and working on boundaries has had better payback.

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I absolutely agree with this WW. If you just try to wait them out, then you are doing yourself a disservice by continuing to listen to it. You get to place yourself in a situation where you continually hear the negative, mean things she says to you. By using boundaries, you reaffirm what your values are and regardless of what she says, or does, or behaves, you are in control of your own emotions, behavior, reactions, etc.

As an example, my H used to rant for hours at a time at me and I just sat there and took it. I would try to justify myself, cry, and eventually apologize and agree to everything he ever accused me of. When I began to look at my own weak boundaries, I realized that I would not allow any other person except my H to yell at me and rant at me that way. I would get up and walk away. I saw that I needed to hold myself to the same standard with my H that I would with a stranger.

So with all my resolve the next time he began to yell at me, I mustered up all my courage and said "I don't like to be yelled at. I'm going for a walk." And I walked right out the door. Came back 30 minutes later and I still heard my H yelling inside at no one. This reinforced my understanding that I cannot control his behavior, only my own, and I remained outside for another 15 min. After he saw I was outside, he came out, calmed down and we had a conversation. He told me he was upset that I walked out and I told him that I wasn't going to let myself be yelled at like that anymore.

He tried it one more time, and I responded exactly the same. He doesn't yell at me now. He knows that if he yells then he loses my audience. He knows that he is left alone in the house by himself with no one to witness his tantrum. And what's really neat, is that now when he starts to feel himself getting frustrated and angry with me, HE is the one who goes to take a walk to calm down because he wants me to hear him. He knows now that he has to get himself under control so we can have a conversation. HIs behavior change was not the goal of my boundary. It was to remove myself from being yelled at. HIs behavior change was just a natural consequence of me not letting him treat me badly.
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 05:46:33 PM »

Darn, TH, I wish I could have learned from your example 15 years ago!

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2018, 07:43:19 PM »

Withdrawing,              giving the silent treatment, or threatening to break up   


Its on the list, and it is a biggy ( especially for someone with BPD who will construe even small actions  as break up threats ) but i do understand it needs to be done sometimes

 
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2018, 08:09:40 PM »

An abusive relationship is one partner lives in fear of the actions of the other and what they may do.


The sad truth is ANY close romantic relationship with someone with BPD is an abusive relationship,

if you are going to make it work you have to reconcile this fact, the dysfunctional behaviors you choose to engage in to keep it under control are ultimately irrelevant, being in a relationship with someone with BPD is dysfunctional, if you find out in time remove yourself, else you have to decide how you will use the fear your partner regards you with and try and minimize the damage to yourself 
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