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« on: April 16, 2019, 07:42:01 PM »

The title of the post says it all. My ex BPD partner and I broke up a little more then a month ago. I'm currently partaking in a no contact period to get both my mind right and my body right. I need to better myself, that's obvious. My question to all of you lovely people on this forum, is contact an option. Should I even think about contacting her if she has moved on already? I wouldn't do it any time soon, and I may never do it, but does contact after a long period of time really do anything?
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2019, 07:57:13 PM »

this is a breakup board Hiscaru 

there arent going to be many people here in favor of contacting your ex.

if you do decide to contact her, i would start a thread on the Bettering board and get some feedback there. think about what you want to say and why.

as for right now, you might try what other folks do and write unsent letters. get your feelings out. you can post them here too.

are you struggling over wanting some closure?

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 10:03:45 PM »

Yes, i'm struggling to understand what I may have done that pushed her away. She cheated on me. Does this mean that I wasn't good enough for her or does it mean that she thought I was too good for her, or neither? I don't know, it just seems like this whole situation is kind of surreal given what I gave up so that I could be with her.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 10:26:43 PM »

generally speaking, cheating is more about the person who does it. its cowardly, and hurtful, and there really isnt any good justification for doing it.

my ex cheated as well, probably several times. i can, in my case, understand why she did, but that doesnt excuse her.

you also might be able to understand her reasoning, but her reasoning is not anything that speaks to you as a person.

what do you know about what happened, and how did you discover it? was the cheating impulsive? or was she doing it for a while?
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 10:14:36 AM »

It seems as if it was impulsive, she did it twice, with the same, two weekends in a row. I can’t really come to terms as to why she would, and she didn’t tell me I found out, although I assume she was afraid to tell me. I don’t forgive her for what she did and I’m not necessarily saying I want her back. I guess what I’m asking is if reaching out to her after a month, couple months, year etc is a ridiculous idea or if it’s justifiable.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 10:24:51 AM »

...was the cheating impulsive? or was she doing it for a while?

This is possibly a surf and turf issue...  Decide not to decide.  She may have been impulsively cheating chronically. 
@Hiscaru You are presuming your actions had a direct bearing on hers. This is likely an erroneous and dangerous presumption.  Erroneous because lack of impulse control, lack object consistency, and dissociative episodes are part and parcel in a relationship with someone suffering from BPD.  Dangerous because this idea of you having directly contributed to her actions is not necessarily factual and this error might keep you stuck. 

Once Removed has often said something to the effect of taking responsibility for our contributions in a dysfunctional relationship -this is of course good advice and completely necessary for healing and learning --but there might not be a direct correlation between your actions and her cheating.

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I'm struggling to understand what I may have done that pushed her away. She cheated on me. Does this mean that I wasn't good enough for her or does it mean that she thought I was too good for her, or neither?

I am sorry you are in so much pain, it is palpable in reading the above statement.  From my anecdotal experience (with a sample size of one...)  Even if you could get her to tell you the God's honest truth she might not know why she cheated. 

Hiscaru  please keep reading and learning.  One of the things I learned which helped me quite a bit was reading about a girl who would split her dog black.  When split black the dog's appearance would change to her.  BPD is a serious mental disorder which means someone suffering from it, with out the benefit of treatment, can literally see the world differently from reality as we know it.  They do not have control over this -it is the world as they know it.  This is why, in my opinion, without the support of serious psychological intervention we cannot love this disorder out of them. 

I showed my ex boundless love, compassion and understanding.  She loved me deeply, but this did not mean she could hold onto that love enough to stop her impulsive and destructive coping mechanisms.  Cheating undermined my trust in her and created shame in her, which seemed to make her cling ever more tightly to her unhealthy coping behavior.  This becomes a vicious downward spiral which ends badly in most cases.

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this is a breakup board Hiscaru...  ...there aren't going to be many people here in favor of contacting your ex... ...think about what you want to say and why.

Once Removed has given you sage advice.  I will ask it this way Cui Bono?  Who stands to gain?  If you plan to contact her figure out why you wish to do this.  Will it help you?  Will it help her?  Do you hope to reconcile your relationship?  If so why?  What might have changed which would make your relationship sustainable?  She has cheated and broken up with you, this would add enormous weight to any future relationship.

If you were to begin your relationship with her again you are now both going to have immense fear of abandonment -believe me my relationship was a train wreck with only her having abandonment issues... 

We speak about boundaries being important.  What saved me from complete immolation was a boundary which is hardwired into my being.  That boundary is the threat of breaking up and leaving me.  It is not based on a fear of abandonment, but instead a fear of wasting time, a fear of losing myself and a fear of ultimate destruction.  How can you build a life with someone who you know could leave you at any moment?  How could you buy a home, have a child, plan a retirement... 

Ok... I am likely much older than you are, but I was wired with the idea of having a healthy and lasting marriage.  Even if I fail, I have to know the possibility exists before I enter a relationship.  This goes back to my very first girlfriend.  As soon as it became apparent our relationship was not built to last I ended it --I am stubborn and optimistic to a fault it took 6 years for us to figure out we were not right for each other.


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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 10:32:34 AM »

I assume she was afraid to tell me.
From my readings she may have felt crushing shame once she was done with her impulsive actions.  I have read often they feel pain, so they will do something as a quick fix which is all to frequently dysfunctional (bad).  This quick fix makes them feel better in the moment, but then creates more of the shame they were hoping to alleviate.

BPD is a personality disorder which is shame based.  They are in daily pain and this pain can cause erratic and painful actions on their part.

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I guess what I’m asking is if reaching out to her after a month, couple months, year etc is a ridiculous idea or if it’s justifiable.

Justifiable to whom?  I would suggest you give yourself some time to heal.  She cannot help you heal at this point.  Once you are more steady on your feet then you will be able to answer this question on your own.  I broke No Contact after a year -if you care to I wrote about it recently here.  I had an agenda for breaking no contact and had a year of therapy under my belt. 

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2019, 11:52:56 AM »

Wickerman, Yea I'd be interested in seeing that post, do you have a link to it so I can read it, Id appreciate it greatly.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 12:54:35 PM »

Hiscaru  my discussion of breaking no contact is active on this discussion board.  Here is the link.

https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=335252.msg13043998#msg13043998

If you have not been, I would suggest you spend some time reading other people's threads.  I found it helpful in my healing to also read on the 'Bettering' Board.  I did not post, since my relationship was over -but it helped me process ending my relationship.  She broke up with me (technically speaking), but it was my agreeing we should not continue which ultimately secured our ending.  --Believe me it was the single hardest thing I have ever done.

I was deeply in love and had embroiled myself in a relationship with someone who, at this point in her life, is not emotionally equipped to have a sustainable or healthy relationship.  Reading on the 'Bettering' board helped me understand my relationship would have very likely become more difficult over time.  Instead of building a healthy and lasting relationship we would have very likely spiraled into one of chaos and pain.  Continued cheating, lies, breakups.  This is all fun and games until you include houses, babies and in my case a visa into the mix.

I read everything I could here, on Quora, and even Reddit.  I read from other people in pain after a relationship.  I read what people suffering from BPD have to say about themselves.  I read psychology texts.  I journaled.  I began therapy.  I wanted to find a way to get back to life as I had known it -over time I have.

My therapist told me in our first meeting 'You likely dodged a bullet'.  I corrected him saying 'The bullet struck home and hit hard, but it missed center core mass -it was painful, just not lethal'

None of this is easy.

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 01:01:52 PM »

I just think once you break no contact it sets you back from any progress you have made moving forward from her and you are back to ground zero. Time is what we need first and foremost to move forward from these types of relationships.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2019, 01:11:39 PM »

If you have not been, I would suggest you spend some time reading other people's threads.

i would second what Wicker Man said, but i would add, dont just read other threads, but reply to others. nothing was more critical in my recovery than having a strong support system. it will build up your support system, and help you to feel more connected in what can be a very lonely and isolating time and experience.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2019, 01:45:00 PM »

...dont just read other threads, but reply to others.

Once Removed -thank you for adding this.  Through poor wording on my part it may have appeared I was implying to not post -this was not my intent.  Posting and contributing helps us learn and build a sense of wellbeing through a sense of community and camaraderie.

In the past I have been active posting here and on the Learning board -I didn't think it was my place to post on 'Bettering' -this is just my personal bias.

Journaling in a book and being active here has been incredibly helpful on my road to finding equilibrium.

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2019, 09:02:24 PM »

Yea I mean the healing process right now is up and down, I'm going to make another post under a different thread addressing how I feel. It's still a lot to handle even though it's been more than a month since we broke up.
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