Home page of BPDFamily.com, online relationship supportMember registration here
May 05, 2025, 05:25:56 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Board Admins: Kells76, Once Removed, Turkish
Senior Ambassadors: EyesUp, SinisterComplex
  Help!   Boards   Please Donate Login to Post New?--Click here to register  
bing
Expert insight for adult children
101
Family dynamics matter.
Alan Fruzzetti, PhD
Listening to shame
Brené Brown, PhD
Blame - why we do it?
Brené Brown, PhD
How to spot a liar
Pamela Meyer
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: New here, I’m starting to wake up to the reality  (Read 1241 times)
CremeBrulee
Fewer than 3 Posts
*
Offline Offline

What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Parent
Relationship status: Neighbors
Posts: 2


« on: December 30, 2019, 05:37:15 PM »

Hi,
I’m not sure where to start to deal with the difficult relationship I have with my mom. I am pretty sure I want to maintain some sort of contact but don’t know how to do that without being stuck in the same cycle that’s caused me pain and struggles my whole life. I love her but dealing with her stresses me out.
I recently stumbled across info about BPD after trying to learn more about certain toxic behaviors that I’ve noticed are a pattern. I bought and am reading the book “surviving the borderline parent” and it is hitting home. I do think there could be more at play though. It seems like that may be what’s going on but I just keep second guessing myself and getting stuck in the mentality that I need to be the one to change or fix things so it’s been difficult to know what to do from here. I’ve always felt like if I did this or changed that then we could find peace. I’m terrified that either I’m going to be like her to my kids or she will manipulate/ groom/ harm my kids. I guess that’s what is bringing all this to a head for me now. I want to go to therapy about it all but money is tight right now because I’m a stay at home mom to a new baby.
Some backstory:
I’m 30 married and just had my first baby who is 5 months old. My parents are still married. We are currently neighbors. My brother passed away suddenly in a car accident in 2016. He and I were always close growing up and close in age. He was recently recovered from almost a decade of on and off drug addiction when the accident happened. My mom was always harder on him but she seemed to switch back and forth being mad at one and sweet to the other. My mom doesn’t speak to any of her family, except recently to her sister (who she always bad mouths)  occasionally, and is very critical of my dad’s family. She hasn’t spoken to her mom since I was born and she stopped talking to her dad and stepmother about 10 years ago after they had a disagreement. Her half brother is a drug addict and is in and out of prison. My whole life she has told me about how hard she had it growing up, her parents divorced when she was a toddler. Her mom was neglectful due to some sort of mental illness. She basically had to raise herself and her sister. They were “dirt poor”. Her mom had boyfriends who would hurt her. She was also somewhat cared for by her grandmother who was the only family member she speaks well of. I met her once when I was a teen. She moved to live with her dad,  who is a doctor, as a teen and things improved for her some. She met my dad in college. She is a high achieving career woman and that has always been a high priority.
Anyways, my whole life she has used her past as a way to sort of guilt trip me for all different reasons in all different situations.
I think she has a very strong fear of abandonment and distrust of people. I feel terribly for her having to go through that as a kid and it breaks my heart that anyone could treat children that way. That doesn’t justify her behavior to me though. She can’t deal with any kind of criticism or things that suggest she isn’t perfect. I’ve always felt like I have to walk on eggshells and like I have to take care of her emotionally. My brother had a very tumultuous relationship with her and my dad just kind of tries to play peacekeeper/ neutral/ on everyone’s side  He acknowledges her behavior is not right sometimes but says that’s just the way she is and we should just be loving and deal with her. My dad is an amazing person. He is super patient, humble and always has been like an anchor in the emotional storm growing up. Its hard for me now to understand why he didn’t do more to protect us from her but I know that he doesn’t know how to handle her without her losing it and leaving or something and he loves her and so he just deals like I do. She plays the same games with him. It’s always bugged me but I know he’s a grown man and I’m not responsible to protect him from her even though I wanted to protect him and my brother from her when I was younger.

It’s confusing because sometimes she is really nice and things seem normal. She goes out of her way to do/ buy nice things for others. She can be really encouraging and supportive.
Somethings just seem odd to me though and I’m starting to realize that maybe they actually are.

I’m just going to list some behaviors that come to memory that I’ve been struggling with to see if I’m overreacting and to give a better picture of what’s going on.

- never, I mean NEVER apologizes. I can’t remember one apology ever. After a fight she sulks, cold shoulders or silent treatments till I apologize even if she was mean to me and I just took it. Once I was cooking breakfast in high school and she got mad at me about something, came over and smashed my freshly made plate of breakfast on the floor- cutting my leg and making me bleed a lot. No apology even then.

- says things like “you’re the only family I have” to get me to do things she wants me to even though they go against my beliefs or boundaries.

- acts like she, or maybe genuinely does, forgets things I’ve asked her to do/ not do. This could be anything from keeping something confidential, not coming over without calling first, gifting me food she knows I don’t eat.

- Talks bad about everyone in her life to me, even her best friends.

- refuses to even consider therapy.

- has been on anti depressants and anti anxiety meds throughout my life on and off.

- throws tantrums when she doesn’t get her way in which a lot of hurtful things get said.

- remembers things wrong, says things did or didn’t happen even though it’s the opposite- especially during a conflict or about a sensitive topic.

- there are topics that I can’t bring up unless I want WW3.

- She’s always been super intense about cleaning and clutter. Something can’t be out of place in her house or it “hurts her nerves”. If my room wasn’t up to magazine clean standards as a kid she would come in and start grabbing stuff and putting it in a garbage bag to throw it away or take to goodwill. She always has something negative to say about my house or yard if she comes over even though I am clean and organized but not up to her standards.

- she admits she does “retail therapy” and shops all the time but she makes a lot of money so she can afford it. She says it’s making up for being poor as a kid.

- She took pets to the pound so many times when I was growing up, put my dog to sleep without telling me while I was away at college. I had an awesome cat but found out I was allergic to cats so I had to rehome it. She wanted it and convinced me to let her take it. She very soon after had it declawed. She would always make a point to say how much the cat loved her when I came over. Recently she called me to tell me the cat died. When I asked for more info she told me the cat had been puking a lot so she closed it up out of sight in a downstairs bathroom and came back a day later to find her dead. She never took her to the vet or told me she was sick. I was very upset and felt like I should have found a better home for the cat.

- if I ask her not to do something she takes it personally.

- she says lots of passive agressive things to me about my choices.

- she’s terrible to people in the service industry, it’s embarrassing.

- she thinks it is ridiculous that I am health conscious and watch what I eat plus take vitamins. My dad has to hide that he takes vitamins from her. She seems to try to sabotage my effort to be healthy because I think it makes her feel like she didn’t feed us well enough growing up or something.

- calls my at least twice a day and gets hurt if I don’t answer.

- she offers to.do or buy things but it must be on her terms.

- she calls me a control freak when we have a disagreement and I’m always the cause for her acting mean.

- growing up she was unpredictable, often pinching (she called it the pinch of death), hitting with wooden  spoons or other objects or slapping when she was upset with my brother and I.

- guilt tripping is one way she tried to control me. I’m just now beginning to see it in action and try to not let it impact me.

Gosh I could go on but this is emotionally tiring.

Personally,
I’ve always struggled with self esteem, setting boundaries, being too nice to people to the point of it being harmful to me. I’ve been in abusive romantic relationships, not my current one thank God. I have trouble making friends and seem to befriend people who aren’t available in one way or another. I know I’m not perfect and definitely have things to work on. I don’t handle conflict well. I find myself shutting down when someone raises their voice. I over analyze things. I think I’m socially awkward although I’ve been told I’m not Laugh out loud (click to insert in post). I feel like I’m not good enough for whatever reason and whatever situation. I’m a perfectionist. Sometimes I over share and sometimes I put walls up. I have trust issues.

I feel like now that I’m the only child, I am even more burdened with helping her and being there for her. Things have definitely become squirrelly since my brother died because the dynamic we had settled into of coping is no more.

Anyways, what did you do when you first began to realize things weren’t right and your family wasn’t as normal as you thought? Those of you with kids, how did you protect them from it all? Is it possible to have a relationship even though I know it will probably never be the one I hoped for? Was there things outside of therapy that helped you? I want to go when I can afford it and I do have a therapist in mind but now is just not possible.

If you made it this far, thank you for reading! I am grateful to have a safe space to share. Happy healing journey to you all!
Logged
mstnghu
***
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
What is your sexual orientation: Confidential
Relationship status: Married (10 years)
Posts: 142



« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2019, 07:38:20 PM »

Welcome to the forum! I don't have the time right now to give a long response...but I can relate to MANY of the things you posted about your mom- except that it would apply to my mother-in-law. I'm convinced that my wife has undiagnosed BPD and her mom has very strong NPD/BPD tendencies.

My MIL has a beautiful house that's always spotless. She and her husband live a couple hours away and I always feel very uncomfortable when I visit them. This past Thanksgiving the wife and I spent a couple nights there. I was thoroughly reprimanded and told that I'm a "terrible house guest" and "completely disrespectful" because I didn't make the bed when I got up the first morning. Seriously.

I'll try to respond more when I have time. Your mom sounds very much like my MIL but I see more narcissistic traits in MIL and more BPD traits in my wife.
Logged
Methuen
********
Offline Offline

What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Parent
Posts: 1909



« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2019, 12:59:54 PM »

Welcome CremeBrulee Welcome new member (click to insert in post)

You are going to be OK.  When I started reading your backstory, I had sentences I was choosing to use as quotes for my reply to you, but by the time I was finished reading your backstory, I realized I would be quoting much of your story, which is oh so familiar and fits the familiar pattern for us on this board.  Welcome to the bpdfamily.

I just want to just say I'm sorry for what you are going through.  I was where you "sound" to be, about 5-6 months ago.  Since then, I've read books, joined this forum, going to T.  I've also grieved the loss of the mom I always thought I had, and accepted the mom I do have.  I'm learning "how to handle her" with new tools and skills. I just want to say that in my experience, the social skills we use with our friends, co-workers, non-BP family, and acquaintenances don't work with a pwBPD. I can tell you already know that from reading your back story. This site is a wealth of info to help you learn new skills for managing your relationship with your uBPD mom so that it is a less chaotic and stormy relationship.  There is so much info on this site, that after 5 months I am still discovering how to find it on here.  I'm also learning how to change and manage my emotional reactions to my mom.  My point being, it's possible.  That's why I started off my reply to your post here saying "you are going to be ok".

Excerpt
I am pretty sure I want to maintain some sort of contact but don’t know how to do that without being stuck in the same cycle that’s caused me pain and struggles my whole life. I love her but dealing with her stresses me out.

I am sorry for the loss of your brother.  That would have been so difficult.  It sounds like your relationship with your mom also changed and became more difficult after his passing.  I have always been an only child.  I feel like my dad and your dad were similar - I have always called my dad a saint.  Everybody who knew him loved him.  But 14 years ago, he passed away after a lengthy illness, and that is when my life changed.  My mom became dependent on me emotionally, like a child.  She also used me as her punching bag to release the storm rages that always brew inside of her.  Last summer I couldn't go on like that anymore because the abuse just kept escalating.  She's almost 84.  It sounds maybe like since your brother passed, something similar has evolved in the relationship between you and your mom?

It's really overwhelming when it dawns on us (as children of BPD parent) what is really going on.  Where to start?  What to do? 

Breathe.  Stay low contact until you feel less alarmed/stressed/anxious.  She will try to draw you in by saying things to trigger you.  I used to call them "barbs".  My mom would say things that I felt I couldn't not respond to.  But don't get drawn in the way I did.  If/when she says those things, you can ignore them, change the subject, or walk away from the situation.  But don't get drawn in, especially while you are feeling overwhelmed like this. 

Excerpt
It seems like that may be what’s going on but I just keep second guessing myself and getting stuck in the mentality that I need to be the one to change or fix things so it’s been difficult to know what to do from here. I’ve always felt like if I did this or changed that then we could find peace. I’m terrified that either I’m going to be like her to my kids or she will manipulate/ groom/ harm my kids. I guess that’s what is bringing all this to a head for me now. I want to go to therapy about it all but money is tight right now because I’m a stay at home mom to a new baby.

Understand that none of us can "fix" our moms.  None. 

The only thing we can learn to do is change how we respond to them, because they are not going to change. 

The fact that you are aware of what is going on, will help to protect you and your kids. 

Focus on yourself, your new baby, and your partner.  Surround yourself with positive influences.  Avoid drama with your mom, or other people, as much as you can. 

Explore this site for information and resources as much as you can.  Learn about FOG, JADEing, validation and validating questions, emotional incest/enmeshment.

I understand money is tight right now, so timing doesn't feel right for a T.  I have found the following resources to be amazing sources for learning new skills to navigate a relationship with my mom:
1) Mind over Mood  (2nd ed) Change How You Feel by Changing the Way You Think, by Dennis Greenberger and Christine A. Padesky.
2) DBT Skills Training (handouts and worksheets) by Marsha M Linehan.

It might be that just the resources on this site and the books you are reading is enough for you.  Try that.  But if you find later that you could use more support, I have found these to be excellent resources, and others on this website may have other recommendations as well.

A good T is worth a lot.  But there are also bad T's out there, so it pays to shop around.  It sounds like you already one in mind, so when money is less scarce, it's worth exploring that too.  My T has really made a difference.  My H comes to our sessions too, which helps him understand his MIL better, and be a really well-informed sounding board when I need him to be.

My T also recommended an app.  It's a mindfulness/meditation app.  It really works!  Mine is called Headspace, but there are lot's of them out there.  Usually there is a trial period for free, or you can use them free but with only basic access.
For some people, faith is central to healing, and restoring a sense of emotional safety.  Find and use whatever works for you.

It can get better.  But right now when it's feeling really overwhelming, just spend time enjoying your baby.  Treat yourself to a hot bath when baby is sleeping.  Try to find a few minutes of time each day just for yourself to do something you enjoy.

 Virtual hug (click to insert in post)


Logged
CremeBrulee
Fewer than 3 Posts
*
Offline Offline

What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Parent
Relationship status: Neighbors
Posts: 2


« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2020, 01:49:23 PM »

Thank you both for your thoughtful replies. I took some time to think about what y’all said and it has been insightful and helpful. I really appreciate it.

I have also taken some time to read around in this site and there really is SO much great info to dig into. Methuen, it is very encouraging to hear your story and to know that progress is possible. I was worried the only way would be NC and that seems like a last resort to me so I am glad to know you are having some success in other ways with your mom. I feel for you and am sorry you are having to go through that as well.

In some ways the passing of my brother has made things more difficult with my mom but in other ways it has seemingly brought us closer. Now I am beginning to wonder if that is a healthy closer or not as I sometimes feel like I have to be the “strong” one when it comes to accepting his death. My dad and I both grieved and helped each other through it but my mom still won’t even speak about my brother. She seems to be unable to and even the mention of him seems to cause her to be on the verge of breaking down. I love to talk about him and remember him and share memories I have of him but I feel like I am not allowed to do this with my mom because she cannot handle it. It is a  continuous elephant in the room at this stage.  I have a lot of other healthy relationships in my life that were there for me during the worst of my grief and I do feel like I have come to a place of acceptance with it that my mom is unable to really reach yet. I know people grieve in different ways and in their own time so I try not to read too deeply into that. We fight less than we used to before he died but I also find myself walking on eggshells a bit more.

I would say the same things you said about my dad too. I am sorry to hear that you lost your dad. That must have been very difficult for you to go through. The thought of that is something that is very hard for me to imagine. I love my dad so much and the thought of him not being around is enough to make me cry. I can’t help but worry that him not being around would have the same result on my mom as yours. I know I can’t control the future so I try to not worry to much because worrying about things that may or may not happen is not how I like to spend my mental energy.

You are right, the best defense I have for my kids is awareness about the situation and the empowerment of the tools I am learning about.

Just with the little amount I’ve learned so far, I am already noticing things in our conversations that I have read about and am trying my hardest to respond to them differently than I have in the past. It is helping. I think it may be confusing mom a bit but I don’t feel so much like I’m letting her control me. She does use FOG so simply realizing that has been huge. I am working on no longer taking on her fears as my own and that is a breakthrough. She tries to manipulate me by saying that something bad will happen if I don’t do what she wants me to do. Sometimes it is wild the stuff she thinks will happen. She has lately been on a kick to get me to let her babysit my daughter for some reason and makes up all kind of reasons why my daughter will be endangered if I don’t leave her with my mom. She’lll catch a disease or someone will kidnap her if I take her out to so and so public place. It sends up red flags to me that she is trying to manipulate me to leave my daughter alone with her. Definitely not happening.

I appreciate the suggestions for spiritual health too. It is so important. I spent over ten  years deep into meditation and yoga and in the end I found that it just wasn’t a good fit for me. I am now a born again Christian and that faith gives me so much hope and strength day to day.

Thanks for the resource recommendations, I am going to check them out.

Mstnghu, that’s interesting that you say that about NPD. I know BPD can have other things at play so I’m going to look into that too.



Logged
safeplace

*
Offline Offline

What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Parent
Relationship status: detaching
Posts: 19


« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2020, 06:19:14 PM »

I relate to a lot of what you said about your mother and her behavior.  For me, I didn't have money for much and was limited on getting out of the house.  The thing I did was free and has changed my life in the past three years. I did Co-dependents Anonymous which helped me learn boundaries and how to stop trying to fix my mother. After that, I did Adult Children of Alcoholics and Dysfunctional families ACoA (also free). ACoA has changed my life. I did all these programs via phone meetings and online. Just a suggestion that helped me. I believe there are different ways to recovery, these are just mine and I am still recovering. Good luck and hugs to you.
Logged
GaGrl
Ambassador
********
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Romantic partner’s ex
Posts: 5780



« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2020, 08:22:29 PM »

It is interesting to me how many of us on this board are only (or only surviving) children.

My only sibling died of breast cancer at age 32--in 1988, quite a long while ago now. I miss her very much. We joked during her illness (somehow maintaining a sense of humor during a horrible experience) that she had to get well because she "couldn't leave me alone with Mother." And my mom has a few traits--she's not full-on BPD!

One thing to check on re: therapy is whether your H has an Employee Assistance Plan at his employer. That program can provide eight or so sessions, which is a start.
Logged


"...what's past is prologue; what to come,
In yours and my discharge."
Can You Help Us Stay on the Air in 2024?

Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Our 2023 Financial Sponsors
We are all appreciative of the members who provide the funding to keep BPDFamily on the air.
12years
alterK
AskingWhy
At Bay
Cat Familiar
CoherentMoose
drained1996
EZEarache
Flora and Fauna
ForeverDad
Gemsforeyes
Goldcrest
Harri
healthfreedom4s
hope2727
khibomsis
Lemon Squeezy
Memorial Donation (4)
Methos
Methuen
Mommydoc
Mutt
P.F.Change
Penumbra66
Red22
Rev
SamwizeGamgee
Skip
Swimmy55
Tartan Pants
Turkish
whirlpoollife



Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2006-2020, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!