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« on: April 03, 2021, 11:10:27 AM »

In other words, people talk about turbulent relationships. Can it also occur in this way?

Idealization 3 years - Devaluation 2 years - discard

No breakups in that time until discard.

It seemed like idealization until I made 1 mistake then devaluing me until discard.

Is this possible in a BPD relationship?
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 01:40:38 PM »

3 years without problems seems completely unrealistic. I saw red flags in the first month with mine.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 07:46:37 PM »

No this doesn’t seem like a typical BPD cycle unless it was “ quiet BPD” or you just didn’t see the symptoms . Can you tell us more ?
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2021, 11:47:17 PM »

No this doesn’t seem like a typical BPD cycle unless it was “ quiet BPD” or you just didn’t see the symptoms . Can you tell us more ?

It was quiet BPD.

She would internalize a bunch and not really self harm but she was a people pleaser. She also had to have her way with many things and so when she wouldnt she would hold that against others. Like when she left me she brought up things that I thought we resolved but to her it was like she remembered each salt grain in the injury (not saying there was alot nor that I ever purposely hurt her). More so just mistakes that ended up hurting her because of her sensitivity.

She has 0 friends because she finds it hard to trust.

The first 2-3 years were idealization it seemed. Had met her in college class, she was calling me babe and such 2 weeks into texting. First date we went to a movie, dinner, and an overlook. She had me grab her boobs over the shirt while we watched a movie in the movie theatre recliners. Then at the overlook she straddled me and we made out for like an hour. Hickies etc. She wanted to get naked and likely have sex or such but I stopped her just because I really dont want to do that so quickly with someone I was/am interested in dating more so then just a hook up. When I told her we can wait she seemed down and so I explained. Then driving home, she asked if we wanted to be official since we had been talking for about 3 weeks and that this was the first date.

Rushed very much so.

Our second date she introduced me to her 2 siblings that are close to her in age when we went on a triple couples date.

I met her parents like within a month.

2 months in she tells me about her traumatic relationship past (2 boyfriends during first year of college, one 4 months and he was lying to her the entire time about himself, and second one sexually assaulted her when she and he were drunk).

She said I love you around 3 months.

8 months-1 year she was talking about having a family with me and getting engaged secretly so her parents didnt find out. This didn't happen because ... college and such. But also after time went on this fizzled out despite me telling her I wanted this when we graduated so I could support and afford things.

We texted every single day good morning and goodnight despite whatever was happening. If I missed a text, she would get mad or sad like I didnt care.

She almost always wanted to spend time with her family and not mine, her reasoning was because she felt comfortable around them and their loyal to her so she feels safe.

During the phase of devaluation, it began when she expected to get engaged on our 4 year anniversary. We drove home after a weekend vacation, she cried 3 of the 4 hours and was mad and sad with me because she created this expectation of it happening and when it didnt she felt I didnt love her or that I didnt want to take the next steps. I shared with her my plans to get engaged a few months following graduation - she still was sad. So after this, anything I did to remotely hurt her without intent and to even the smallest degree she held like an umpire calling 3 strikes. Things I figured we talked through and moved past she never moved past because she brought them up during the 2 week breakup discard phase.

Her quiet BPD would come out in her pouting like a child and blaming others for the pain she felt. For example at the beginning of covid she wanted to take a trip with me and her sister. We both said to her that we felt uncomfortable because of covid and didn't want to go. She got really hurt and said "I am simply trying to figure out plans for us to get out of the house and enjoy ourselves, but you two just shut my idea down so it doesnt even matter."


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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2021, 08:03:09 AM »

all of these terms that talk about cycles and stages are generalizations and they are meant to be.

they can help a person get a feel for whether theyve been in a relationship with someone with bpd traits. in that way, they can be helpful.

they can also be misleading, and a bit of a rabbit hole in terms of trying to better understand what happened in your relationship. the thing is, all relationships have stages and cycles. with bpd they tend to just be more extreme.

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Devaluation 2 years - discard

it may be easier to approach this in terms of understanding what was going on in your relationship at this point. what happened, what broke down.

looking at your last post, it sounds, to me, like a pretty ordinary relationship trajectory. while every relationship is different, its a pretty normal series of events. that doesnt at all mean she wasnt bpd, or didnt have bpd traits.

especially as we get older, and especially three years into a relationship, women (generally) tend to push for more commitment. otherwise, they may see the relationship as a dead end.

its hard to say if thats exactly what she saw/felt. it sounds like she had her hopes up about you proposing and was disappointed when it didnt happen.

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2021, 06:13:23 AM »

Hey buddy!   Although the specific traits of BDP are not abundant in your story, I can tell you that as other people referred on this thread, there is a control and quiet "BDP" sense to particular individuals.    The idealization period and devaluation period you referred in your story is real and although some people will disagree, I can tell you from experience that the same is happening to me.   The level of expectations that some beings develop during their lives is so intense that as soon as you fail to meet those expectations, the emotional tank level starts to diminish slowly.   And that's when their impulses and irrational behavior starts taking form.    Realistic people will do anything to please their partners but will common sense, love, respect and mutual agreement.   There are some expectations that are easily broken by simply facts of life.    She calls when you are taking a shower and you can't answer - she expected you to answer no matter what - no excuses.   She expected you to take her for dinner one night, but you had to work late due to insufficient staff to cover the shift.   She had a bad day at work and she expected for you to read her mind and ask her how her day was even if you had a worse day than her.    And to make matters worst, they blame your lack of emotional support and use their destructive behavior to find somebody that fills their emotional need and emptiness.    You said that she doesn't have any friends...  I can rely as my wife meets plenty of female friends, but rapidly cuts ties with them and the only excuse I hear from her is that they are too plastic and not trustworthy...   The reality is that these girls pay more attention to her and it's really hard for her to cover her intense personality from them and fears that they will figure her out...  I met some of her friends and they are good, decent people and very family oriented, and also realistic about life.    She hates that because is not a friendship compatible to hers... 

So, in spite of not having suicidal thoughts, impulsive spending, rage periods, mood swings, my wife has the worst interpersonal relationship views a person can have.   I slaved for my woman for 20 years, had everything that she wanted, didn't have to worry about finances (I'm not rich), children, home, work.    I did it all for her and the family.   But the quiet BDPs hit you in the most sinister way possible - extra emotional affairs... with no regrets, explanation, fear of losing the family, shame or guilt.  In their eyes they are doing the right thing.   You can't argue with a person like that.   

All I can say is that I believe when you talk about the quiet BDP... you are not alone.   I still love my wife dearly as she is the love of my life - I can't deny that.   But she has created a situation (multiple times), that although my heart tells me to continue fighting, my brains are working on a realistic approach and telling me that I must move on.    Sad but true...   

Wish you well my friend - you are not alone!
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