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« on: September 14, 2022, 05:01:30 AM »

I am trying to understand their irrational behaviours, especially how their fear of abandonment manifests.

Is it common that:
1.   When they are triggerred (e.g., by any slightest disagreements, physical separation due to personal travels, etc) and split afterwards, they then behave as multiple different personalities?
2.   When they split, their emotions are so intense that they cannot reason like a normal, healthy adults? Even if they try to "reason" it would be purely based on emotions and they refuse to see the reality as it is (e.g., accusing that you are leaving them even if you have no intentions to do so and assure them you will stay with them)?
3.   They shut down after a disagreement - regardless whether they intend to punish you or they intend to shut down their emotions which are intense and uncomfortable?
4.   Not only are their close relationships (romantic or platonic) unstable, but their life choices as well? For example, they chronically sabotage their own life goals and careers?

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2022, 09:39:21 AM »

I think those observations are indeed a common trend you will see when reading through the posts on this forum.

1.   When they are triggerred (e.g., by any slightest disagreements, physical separation due to personal travels, etc) and split afterwards, they then behave as multiple different personalities?

Personnally, the way I see the "multiple different personalities", and keep in mind I am not a mental health expert, only the daughter of a BPD mother, is that it might be linked to the arrested development they suffered when they were abused/traumatized.

My mother can act both like a teenager and a little girl, but seldom act like a healthy adult.

When triggered, and depending who is facing her, she can be either waif, witch or queen.

If it's a child : she is witch, and will rage strongly enough to become physically abusive.

The silent treatment I associate with the Queen, her default when dealing with an adult.

When we try to make her view how she also hurt us, then it's waif.

So yes, it comes accross as multiple personnalities. Have you read yet in the borderline types? Waif, hermit, queen and witch? I see those as a spectrum within which BPD oscillate, as opposed to a type they always display.



2.   When they split, their emotions are so intense that they cannot reason like a normal, healthy adults? Even if they try to "reason" it would be purely based on emotions and they refuse to see the reality as it is (e.g., accusing that you are leaving them even if you have no intentions to do so and assure them you will stay with them)?

Yes, and as I understand it, this also affect how they recall something. My mother once accused me of having been ungrateful, despite me remembering quite clearly that I said thank you. But on the moment, she was dysregulated and jealous and looking for any small slights to blame me for her own pain. She wasn't perceiving me, just how I was making her feel, and she had to justify it somehow. So she blamed it on the fact that I was ungrateful for everything she did for me... Which wasn't even close to reality.

I don't think it was malignant. I think she truly doesn't recall it the same way I do. And I think her memory can change depending on on present emotion too... Reality and her story, for her, is never clear and arrested... Hence her lack of self, or poor sense of self.




3.   They shut down after a disagreement - regardless whether they intend to punish you or they intend to shut down their emotions which are intense and uncomfortable?


Can you clarify what you mean by "shutting down"? Like a depression state or what we often refer to as the silent treatment?


4.   Not only are their close relationships (romantic or platonic) unstable, but their life choices as well? For example, they chronically sabotage their own life goals and careers?


Yes, although this could be observed in a variety of way. My mother wouldn't see it as self-sabotage, to her, she just got tired of it and changed. She could have made a lot of money from a business she created, but sold it to one of my cousin that had money issue, and got mad when he started missing paiement, etc. For some reason, she never put two and two together that she made a bad business decision, despite other people giving her better ideas, like having employees... To her: she wanted to move in another city, and needed to sell! There was no convincing her otherwise...so of all the potential buyers, she chose the most troublesome one.

She changed career many times indeed, and always move from one house to another...

It is as if, when staying still, she starts blaming her surroundings for her state of pain. So she moves away, or changes it brutally, without waiting for the best opportunity. It simply has to be NOW, else she will burst.

Then the pattern repeat.

It does cause hardship, but not always either, sometimes it works... Which is why I don't think it is self sabotage.. they are just very impulsive.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2022, 09:51:43 AM »

Fear of abandonment is irrational- as you said no amount of reassurance or evidence to the contrary will make a difference.

It’s an emotional response to an earlier trauma - often in childhood.  The abandonment can be caused by various things including a parent physically leaving the home, perhaps leaving the child with a mentally unstable/abusive parent, or by an actual death.  The child always lives in fear.  Something happens in the brain (or doesn’t happen that should) and the emotional part of the brain takes over, while the executive functioning part doesn’t develop as it should due to stress.  Any little separation in the future (eg  you leaving town to take the kids on a soccer road trip) triggers the emotional  response and takes them right back to the intensity they had in the original trauma.  

It’s an emotional response, not a rational one.  My uBPD mom doesn’t have the executive functioning to have a “rational” response to us saying we are taking a holiday. Such as “Oh how nice for you!  I wish I could come in your suitcase!”  Instead she is transported back to the fear she had when her mother died and left her with an abusive father.  And so  she says something like “You’re leaving me?  How could you do that! I could die while you are gone!”

Despite all the evidence of how we have cared for her and loved her over the years, any perceived slight or announcement of us leaving town can result in a split and a vengeful hurling of toxic hurtful language towards us, or, words designed to make us feel guilty in the hopes we will stay home.

Trying to rationalize with this is a waste of time and will only escalate the drama.  

Better to use SET and let self soothe.  

As to your point about multiple personalities: yes my mom can be saying these crazy things to me, and then there’s a knock at the door and she flips to a completely different charming personality.  This is a maladaptive survival strategy learned in childhood that they carry into adulthood.  

Not sure if any of this is resonating or helpful.

You can’t change their thinking if their brain was not wired up to be rational.  

There is only radical  acceptance of the situation on our part.  After that, boundaries and a lot of self care.

That is just my experience.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2022, 12:36:40 AM »


Can you clarify what you mean by "shutting down"? Like a depression state or what we often refer to as the silent treatment?


Both actually. The person I am talking about has been withdrawing from our social group for a few years now.

This person also handles disagreement by exercising silent treatment rather than discussing the different viewpoints like rational adults...
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2022, 02:01:13 AM »


1.   When they are triggerred (e.g., by any slightest disagreements, physical separation due to personal travels, etc) and split afterwards, they then behave as multiple different personalities?


Our first 3 years in the relationship, I would always be absent in my family affairs because I can’t bring her with me. So I rather stay with her especially on weekends to keep her company. Her mom also has BPD and would neglect her. My girlfriend is usually alone in the house on weekends making it lonely for her. If I know I can miss a family trip or vacation then I just choose to stay with her. I noticed she really appreciated that based on how she would lovebomb me after doing so. The moment I needed to leave the country with my family and left her behind, she made an issue about how my WiFi connection was unstable. Requiring me that I should have bought a SIM card or just plainly found a way to always make me reachable. So being practical and connecting my phone in public WiFi portals wasn’t something she appreciated. She felt as if she wasn’t worth spending on but all she wanted was for me to be reachable at all times. She went out 5-7 nights I was gone. I guess to fill the void because I wasn’t home.


2.   When they split, their emotions are so intense that they cannot reason like a normal, healthy adults? Even if they try to "reason" it would be purely based on emotions and they refuse to see the reality as it is (e.g., accusing that you are leaving them even if you have no intentions to do so and assure them you will stay with them)?


My girlfriend would always tell me she has an emotional quotient of a 3-year-old. It’s so difficult for her to regulate her emotions and go back to her baseline. So whatever she says in the heat of the moment, it’s what she feels during that time but can quickly shift to a different mood in 15mins or sometimes it can even take days to regulate. It’s easy to say but hard to do: Don’t take things personally when a pwBPD tells you something awful. Usually it’s projecting their issues to you.


3.   They shut down after a disagreement - regardless whether they intend to punish you or they intend to shut down their emotions which are intense and uncomfortable?


After blowing up in an unexplainable manner my pwBPD GF shuts down. The worst ones would be she would block me and ban me from her village. She would book a room in a hotel to escape. Thing is if you don’t chase her, it makes matter worse. So once you’re fed up and just let her be, she will blame you for prolonging the fight and not chasing after her.


4.   Not only are their close relationships (romantic or platonic) unstable, but their life choices as well? For example, they chronically sabotage their own life goals and careers?


My girlfriend would normally work at a corporate for 1-2 years. This is her longest by far. Gunning for 5 years already. She would quit instantly. She wants to be a housewife. Her therapist also advised her to not work for a toxic company or environment for it hinders her progress or road to recovery.

And for them it’s black and white. There’s no middle ground or no grey area. They go all in or quit you all at the same time. My girlfriend made me her world, cancels on most get togethers with her friends and hangs with me. When the honeymoon stage fizzled out she got pissed because I couldn’t be consistent in showing her attention. She really does want all of it. She has no sense of balance for anything. It would always be extremes.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2022, 11:15:31 AM »

Both actually. The person I am talking about has been withdrawing from our social group for a few years now.

This person also handles disagreement by exercising silent treatment rather than discussing the different viewpoints like rational adults...

That's the hermit face of BPD.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2022, 03:16:46 PM »

I am trying to understand their irrational behaviours, especially how their fear of abandonment manifests.

Some experts describe it as an abandonment of self (James Masterson), that then leads pwBPD to find signs everywhere, in everything, that the abandonment is real.

Many of us play out our family of origin dynamics in other ways, the things imprinted on us as kids.

It is the same for pwBPD but to a tragic degree because the disorder interfered with the development of a real self. Since there is no real self, then the feelings must be generated by others. The feeling of abandonment is then attributed to others when it is actually an existential feeling about their own inability to develop and stay with their real self.

My pwBPD is waif-like and being around other people, which is essential, is also a constant stage for her to find evidence she must be horrible. Even the most benign interactions she can find proof that she is unlovable. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2022, 02:50:30 AM »

I believe you are right! Hermit BPD is what best explains this person's behavioural patterns.

It must be tough living in that condition, and it is also a pity that this person refuses to seek help.
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