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Author Topic: Online date hasn't met me in two months since matching...  (Read 964 times)
BlueFins

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« on: March 05, 2023, 03:18:51 AM »

I have matched with a person who has openly told me they have BPD from our first conversation.    I accept the condition as I have family and friends with different mental illnesses.  

The person and I get on amazingly over phone calls, texts, online chat, video and audio recordings.   There is days where we text and call each other all day.    However and this is where I'm now doubting this person, we have arranged to meet three times.  

Granted we live nearly two hours from each other, we selected a location that is an hour from us.  Each time they have promised to meet me.   First time the person cancelled on me as they were rushed to hospital for food poisoning, had to be hooked up to a drip (sent a video to prove it).   Second time they had a flat tire (again sent me a video and pic) and the third they ghosted me but three days later apologized and said they were in a bad head space and didn't want it to affect me.  

I have given benefit of the doubt with them.  They tell me they feel intense feelings for me, they care for me and love when we communicate.   They don't want to let me go or for me to hurt them by cheating etc.  
 
Honestly I do care a lot for this person.    However I feel like I should have met them by now.   It is getting harder because I do want to physically spend time with them.  Yet feel like they want me but don't want me at the same time.  
  I have strong feelings for this person.   It is disappointing that there is a reason why we haven't met yet.  

How should I address this in a kind but direct manner that we should meet?   I don't want to feel like I'm nagging them.  
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2023, 04:41:18 AM »

Welcome to BPD family.  We are all here at BPD family as we have our own unique issues with our person(s) with borderline personality disorder.  I am glad you are researching BPD; however, please make sure you know what you are getting yourself into.

I will first directly address your concerns based on my own experiences as to what might be going on in her mind.  It sounds like she is 'self sabotaging', at least for the 3rd hookup, count that as 'strike 1' -  fear of abandonment.  She is likely telling you the truth that she was 'in bad head space'.  Meeting up is risky for anyone.  Just imagine the butterflies that you have in your gut, those are multiplied 3 or more (up to 100x) times for a borderline and was likely overwhelming for her.  So if meeting her was a 9/10 for you, for her it was an impossible 27-300/10 for her.  You want to keep the expectations to a 2/10 or less for her so her initial 'butterflies' are manageable.

Give them two more opportunities to 'hook-up' with you.  Follow your 'gut' feeling on this and your own moral compass, as some borderlines will 'play' with your emotions.  I've had two romantic borderline relationships and another friendship where I was their favorite person.

If you want to hook-up, do so with minimal expectations.  Don't have a hotel booked, just a meet-up for 'lunch' and perhaps a walk in a park, keep it to public spaces - you want to lower her anxiety levels with minimal expectations.  If something is going to happen, let it happen on her terms.  There is nothing like being seduced by a borderline woman who feels completely 'safe' with you [no anxiety] - it is pure overwhelming uncensored raw emotions in the most positive way possible - it is a literally intoxicating experience.

Paragraph header (click to insert in post)  borderlines have no emotional filter, both in a good ways, and in a bad ways too and their emotional states are multiplied both in the positive and negative emotions.  Please do yourself a gigantic favor and read all of the boards here before actually meeting face to face.  Nothing can prepare you for a borderline relationship unless you have already previously experienced one.  I am just trying to convey the emotional intensity that you will feel both in a positive ways and a negative ways too once she overcomes anxiety of meeting you which can range from a few days to a year [typical] to two years [rare] or 5 years in my case [ultra rare].

Please learn about the BPD/NPD cycle of

Love Bombing --> devalue --> discard --> recycle

Make sure you have and maintain healthy boundaries [for yourself] while in a relationship with a borderline.

Take care with self-care.  Please do ask more questions before meeting f2f.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2023, 03:17:05 AM »

Update:  

I did ask them if the reason we have not met is because they are nervous.   They replied it is their anxiety holding them back from meeting.  

It was nice having an answer, we still talk almost daily even if it is just a few texts asking how each other's day is but is there a way to help with their anxiety over meeting each other?  I really have fallen for this person and they have said multiple times they are having extreme love feelings for me.  

Any advice on what to say to encourage our met up?  I have given them some alternate ideas on how to meet but it seems they are still in a not so well headspace and they have told me it will take between 2 weeks to a month to get in the right space to feel "normal" again.  

How do I stay patient?

I have been in relationships with others who have mental and extreme mental illness. I am going to give it another month and if nothing comes of it.  I will suggest being friends.   I just miss physical companionship like going on a proper date/outing and hanging out with someone. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2023, 04:46:22 AM »

I did ask them if the reason we have not met is because they are nervous.   They replied it is their anxiety holding them back from meeting.  

Keeping in mind the cycle I previously mentioned, she is very anxious that you will not meet her standards and you will abandon her or move to the 'devalue' phase at a minimum.  For pwBPD, their mind is their own worst enemy.  You need to find genuine words of reassurance that you will not do this covertly [do not be overt].


It was nice having an answer, we still talk almost daily even if it is just a few texts asking how each other's day is but is there a way to help with their anxiety over meeting each other?  I really have fallen for this person and they have said multiple times they are having extreme love feelings for me.  

Any advice on what to say to encourage our met up?  I have given them some alternate ideas on how to meet but it seems they are still in a not so well headspace and they have told me it will take between 2 weeks to a month to get in the right space to feel "normal" again.


Since she has come up with the '2 weeks to a month' to get in the 'right space', I would suggest talking about it, and use the 'seed planting tool' from the book recommendation I am giving you now “Stop Caretaking the Borderline Or Narcissist: How to End the Drama and Get on with Life” by Margalis Fjelstad.

You could start [planting a seed] by saying something this week, "I like that you are willing to give it another two weeks; I like that idea.  However, I feel that if it lasts longer than a month, that you have indicated, I may have to reevaluate our relationship." [you are planting the seed of reevaluating] -- from what you have expressed this would be an 'honest' statement.  You are putting her mind in a mode to be able to process the words and accompanying emotions. 

The following week, put 'water' on that 'seed' with the following statement or something similar "I am looking forward to your answer next week from last week's conversation on meeting up face to face".  Then ask them for their ideas on how that might look to them [a walk in the park, followed/proceeded by a lunch,  - if there is more to it, proceed with caution, as pwBPD will go 0-100 in all of their emotions way too fast - both of my romantic experiences with pwBPD on our first date, I was sexually seduced on the first date - no vaginal penetration, but I did climax from oral or manual stimulation]

When two weeks have passed, and still no firm commitment, re-emphasize your desire for some movement on meeting face to face by saying something along the lines of "Well, it has been two weeks, and we still don't have firm plans, and I feel frustrated about this.  I know you said it will take you up to a month to make a decision.  Can you let me know what you are thinking about this?"  Listen, and respond accordingly.

When three weeks have passed, and still no firm commitment, re-emphasize you desire for some movement on meeting face to face or you will re-evaluate by saying something along the lines of "Well, it has been three weeks, and we still don't have firm plans, and I am becoming increasingly frustrated about this.  I know you said it will take you up to a month to make a decision, and that will be here sometime next week, I feel that if I don't have a better commitment, I may have to re-evaluate our relationship.  Can you let me know what you are thinking about this?"  Listen, and respond accordingly.

When the fourth week comes around, you should have an answer either positive or negative.  If negative, follow through with the conversation about downgrading your relationship to 'just friends' - this may likely induce panic in her, and she may do something impulsive to keep you, or just the opposite, she may explode emotionally and leave - either way, you will have an answer.
 

How do I stay patient?

Extreme patience is required for being with the person with borderline.  If you don't have this, you may want to re-evaluate your relationship now.


I have been in relationships with others who have mental and extreme mental illness. I am going to give it another month and if nothing comes of it.  I will suggest being friends.   I just miss physical companionship like going on a proper date/outing and hanging out with someone. 

I think that is an awesome idea.  Just circle back to the 'seed planting' sequence I mentioned above, to 'nudge' the relationship along to find out her true intentions, and act accordingly.

I personally would avoid starting a relationship with a mentally unstable person now that i have been in two such relationships without realizing it.   Paragraph header (click to insert in post)  Please do your homework on what you are getting yourself into, if you proceed, read what others have on this site, and go into this relationship with your eyes wide open.

Take care with self-care. 


P.S. If you finish the 'stop caretaking book' and if are going to hook up, it is also a good idea to read “Stop Walking on Eggshells” by Paul T. Mason and Randi Kreger [3rd Edition] as well.

P.P.S. This will be my last post for a while, as I am trying to repair damage to my own relationship by temporarily complying with an ultimatum I received from my borderline wife and our couple's T.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2023, 12:23:07 AM »

At times I feel like I am the one who is initiating the conversations day to day.  Sometimes I get a random 4 AM text asking if I am asleep or telling me they can't sleep. 
 
They have told me they are going through deep issues in their head, they are not sleeping and afraid to sleep in case they go into some sort of psychosis. 

It just confuses me because two weeks they were sending me texts of what we will do when we meet, planning for future vacations, doing all these exciting activities and endless statements of telling me how they feel about me and that they trust me and care for me.  All weekend it was non stop texting and calls.

Now they send sporadic texts over this weekend.    I thought maybe it was poor cell reception but I sent a text to a coworker and they responded within five minutes.   Online BPD person hasn't responded to me in 12 hours.   Even though I asked a simple "Hey, how is your day?" 

I am now sitting here reflecting on what drew me to this person in the first place.   Our profiles matched, as we talked there was so much common interests, same sense of humor, similar backgrounds.    What I liked about them was they were what I thought at the time different to my ex.   

I went out with my mom for lunch and I felt a wash of loneliness as my mom was wanting me to go on overseas trips with her and doing activities that I think couples should be doing together and not ones that parent/child should be doing.   I know my mom is only trying to cheer me up but it just isn't the same and I'm honestly losing faith in this person.   

Tomorrow I will send a text word similar to what you suggest on arranging to meet up and if they don't respond then I'm going to break it to them that I can't handle that it is seems to be a one sided relationship.   I mean I feel we should have meet by now and see where it goes but at times I feel like I should be patient.
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