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« on: May 02, 2023, 05:55:17 PM »

I want to start off by saying I was in a much better place over the last few days. I had stopped ruminating for the most part. I was ready to proceed with life minus my pwBPD. I hadnt reached out to her in over a week, nor has she made any response or attempted to reach out for 2 weeks, the longest we have ever gone not speaking. Today, as im getting home from work I receive a text from her telling me that I have tolls for the turnpike due and she asked me to please pay them. now full disclosure, she's the cosigner on my vehicle (she insisted) and its registered to her address. so she does receive my toll bills. I keep telling myself that this was just an honest reach out to make sure I pay those tolls. However my gut is telling me this was a temp check from her. she knows exactly the time I would be home from work, and the tone of her texts were much more cordial than the last time she spoke to me ( she told me f**k you I don't want anything to do with you). she responded to my reply within the same minute after I let her text linger for a few moments. I know what wishful thinking is because I did a lot of it through out this relationship. My gut is telling me this is the start of her initiating another cycle with me. im curious to have the opinion of all of you on here on whether this is just an honest reminder or a temperature check?
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2023, 09:33:08 AM »

Hi pipefitter, good to hear that you gave yourself a break from ruminating for a bit  Smiling (click to insert in post)

Am I reading you correctly, that you're kind of conflicted about getting back together with her?

I was ready to proceed with life minus my pwBPD.

There's no right or wrong answer, just putting the pieces together, as I'm seeing you feeling ready to move on without her, and also posting on the "Bettering a relationship" board. We do have a "conflicted" board too, if that's helpful!

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So, approaching your question about her text from a "how can we make this better, or at least, not worse" perspective:

The first thought that came to my mind is that it's as much or as little of a "temp check" as you make it.

What I mean by that is -- there's a sense in which whatever she means by it, whatever she wants, ultimately, you have 100% control over what you want and how you respond. It may seem like a confusing text as long as you don't personally have clarity about what you want in your life. If you aren't sure about getting back together or not, then the text may seem more confusing ("is it or isn't it"). If you have clarity about what direction you want to go, then it becomes a moot point what she "means" by the text.

So, one idea is to start there -- dig into yourself and find that vision for what you want. It could be: you learning and working the tools and skills here, and getting back together with a new, healthier approach. It could be: you making a personal choice that the door is closed on the relationship, and working through the detachment process. Or it could be something else. My thought is that until you have a clear vision of what you want, her texts will remain ambiguous to you, and you might hang a lot of weight on them, hoping that she, a pwBPD, can provide a path forward.

Whatever direction you choose, it might be important to know that you'll likely have to be the "emotional leader" in the process. She struggles with a profound MH disorder, and so looking to her words and texts for guidance or clarity won't "get you out of the woods", so to speak.

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Another way of looking at the texts is this:

Some pwBPD (even if they believe themselves to be emotionally advanced and amazing communicators) use unclear, unstraightforward, and passive (and/or passive-aggressive) communication. The words, when typically understood, mean one thing, but there can be an emotional undercurrent of "meet my needs" that's unspoken.

A dysfunctional thing that can happen in relationships with pwBPD is that the "non" gets to a point of acting like "well, even though she said 'just go to the store and get milk', I know the true meaning, which is that she wants me to stay home with her, so even though her words said Go, I'm actually going to stay to make her feel better".

Treating a partner like they don't mean what they say, AND treating ourselves like "it's our job to truly interpret their words", is unhealthy.

And, a couple of things can be true at once. It can be true that we can understand that a pwBPD might have a different meaning behind the written or spoken words... AND, at the same time, we can "treat them like they mean what they say", and not play the game of "chasing the emotional meaning". It is enabling and doesn't help the pwBPD grow (or grow up!) when we deprive them of the opportunity to communicate clearly.

All that to say -- whatever she "means" by the text, it's a mature, healthy move to take it at face value. Don't do her work for her of assuming "but I know what she really means". Leave that opportunity open for her. And in the discomfort of waiting and wondering, turn that energy inwards, so you can gain your own clarity and vision about what you want, whatever she says or does or doesn't do or doesn't say. You have that control over how your life moves forward.

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Lots of food for thought...

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2023, 03:46:51 PM »

wow kells. what you said really resonated with me

 I do want to clarify what I meant by living my life minus my pwBPD. our last period of engagement ended an episode of her lashing out in a pretty mean way at me. the words leave me alone were said, and also to move on. I decided at that point I had to take her words at face value. and that I have to live with how the conditions are at the present time. not what I hope the end result will be. this was also around the time I stumbled upon this site, and I have been reading and watching all the information I can from here to learn how to make a relationship with her more viable, should she want to take that route. ideally, I want to give a relationship with her another go. but it takes the 2 to tango

forgive me, I can't get the quote tool to work Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) but what you say about words having a hidden meaning were a major theme in our relationship. I realized after a lot of soul searching that for a long time I put myself in a position to have to interpret the TRUE meaning of her words. however, with help of a lot of the information and people from this site I realized that it only serves to reinforce a lot of her bad behavior. the same way the "chase me, go away" game did as well. im no longer doing that. at this point im sticking to what I know is the healthiest way to handle this situation. that is to stick to my word, and if she would like to have a deeper discussion about our relationship, or reengage, she will have to initiate it. im taking her "leave me alone" words at face value and not chasing. as far as her texts go, I did more of the same. I took the words at their value, responded to them in an equally cordial, but not over warm way, and left it at that. I made it clear to her before now that I am open to her. I don't want to enable the chase game the same way that I was before. so if she would like to reengage, she will have to use her words to the extent she can and initiate an effort. not throw out bait to see if I bite.

thanks for all the advice kells!

                         

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2023, 05:18:28 AM »

Hidden expectations are hard to figure out, but we aren't mind readers and so it's not really our task to try to meet a hidden expectation.

When Kells says you have a choice about how to respond, one choice is to respond directly to the request. If you need to pay tolls, you don't have to communicate much to her. You can go online and pay them, then let her know they were paid. If this is all she wants, then that's it. You don't have to read any more to her communication.

If this is the car you drive daily, then changing the address to yours makes sense- the bills will then come to you and not involve her communicating to you about them. If you are the primary loan signer, consider being the only one on it.

Untangling financial connections is not the same as breaking up- but it makes the situation is less complicated.








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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2023, 06:30:49 AM »

Ya, she’s technically the primary signer on my vehicle.it has to stay registered to her address.  A few of our financial entanglements aren’t undoable right now.which I feel was intentional. So that it isn’t possible for me to completely abandon her. We’re forced to have interaction.  I chose to just respond directly to her request. I don’t want to keep reinforcing hidden requests, or attempting to read her mind. I have told her many times I’m open to working on something. I will no longer chase. If she would like to take me up on that, it’s going to have to be directly.
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