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PinkPanther

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« on: May 25, 2023, 06:53:57 PM »

I invited my dBPDmom to an event for our eldest child and gave the option of staying a night so she didn't have to travel back home day of and could spend a little time with children.

Things were better than I thought they would be but still painful, and hard to swallow.

She was on her best behavior for the most part but there is still those little things that only a child of a BPD parent can see.

My mom is very high functioning but waify. It wouldn't be a visit from mom without her trying to intrude and manipulate something.

I can tell where she is working to improve and I know that all of this is her BPD. But boy is it hard to navigate. I am very angry. Before she came I was so sick to my stomach. And I knew it was time for her to go when I was annoyed with her presence, even if she hadn't really done anything offensive.

I have an emergency appt with my T this weekend luckily.

But I feel so overwhelmed. Tired. Defeated. I am doing my best to protect our children and I feel like "the bad guy". It's awful. What hurt me the most is everyone acting like everything is ok. It's not ok. I'm not ok!

My eldest child asked me how I felt about mom visiting. I was honest in a child friendly way. I was not enjoying her. I didn't expect I would feel the way I did with her coming. I was happy with interacting with her for a bit but then it got to be intrusive and I was ready for her to go . DS said he really enjoyed her visit and wants to see her more. I would be ok to never see her again (didn't tell DS that) but I told him I understand and it's ok to love her but my job is to protect him and I will do the best I can to get him visits with her.

This stuff is just awful. I am very sad.
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2023, 04:57:19 AM »


My eldest child asked me how I felt about mom visiting. I was honest in a child friendly way. I was not enjoying her. I didn't expect I would feel the way I did with her coming. I was happy with interacting with her for a bit but then it got to be intrusive and I was ready for her to go . DS said he really enjoyed her visit and wants to see her more. I would be ok to never see her again (didn't tell DS that) but I told him I understand and it's ok to love her but my job is to protect him and I will do the best I can to get him visits with her.

This stuff is just awful. I am very sad.

Hi PinkPanther  Virtual hug (click to insert in post) I hope you are feeling a bit better today.

Managing the relationships between our BPD parent and children is extenuating. It is a lot.

I understand perfectly what you mean by noticing things only a child of a BPD can notice. Even when she is on her best behavior, I remain shaken by the very presence of my BPD mother. I've come to realize it doesn't have so much to do with her, than it has to do with little Riverworlf being in high alert to prevent the next outburst. Sometimes this outburst never come, because BPD mother is "ok", but her very presence, even when she is calm (as calm as a BPD can be) makes it very hard to relax.

So...be gentle with yourself. Your reaction and feelings are so very normal.

As for your children... I also get it. My BPD mother is great with her young grandchildren. It's not the same grandmother as the mother she was to me, that's for sure.  Points to you for seeing through the great grandmother facade though because as the grandchildren gets older, problems still arise.

My niece and nephew are teenagers now, and they are still demanded for visits over weekend at her house, they must have sleep over there. She prefers one of them to the other, and told him his parents loved him less than his sister. She told me my niece was a bully in school just prior to her arrival, as if to sway my mind about my niece, who is a great girl, honestly, very polite and kind. The triangulation and wedging, while they seemingly don't exist when the grandchildren are young, will peak their ugly head over time, as they grow and individuate themselves. When they were young though, the triangulation and wedging still happened, my sister in law was the ultimate ennemy of my BPD mother.

My daughter also loved her BPD grandmother... She hasn't seen her in two years and still talks about her. I thought she'd have forgotten her by now. Something about the biological bond, I imagine. Also, my BPD mother is VERY INTENSE with her young grandchildren, she will monopolize them entirely. To every adult in the room, the dysfunction is clear, but to the child, this is pure attention and connection. She also never raged against her grandchildren, that I can tell. She will rage at me at the end of her moment with them though. I am the stress outlet.

It is hard to explain our children you are right... I told my daughter we wouldn't be seeing her grandma for a while because she screams too much. To which my daughter replied : but she is nice with me. This conversation was very hard to have, I still feel bad when my daughter talks about her BPD grandmother. Yesterday she mentioned it again, and I told her I'd tell her more when she is a bit older, and that we would be going to see her other grandparents this weekend. It took her thought away.

I also always felt like the bad guy when my mother was around. I now think this was me picking up on my mother's jealousy of my bond with my children. She wanted all the attention. Whenever my daughter would come to me for a hug, trying to get away from BPD grandma, BPD grandma would have none of it and double up her intensity to make the game more intense, trying to steer her away from me. It was very dysfunctional.

I also distinctly remember her almost throwing my baby boy to me, because he was crying to be in my arms. She had a lot more trouble getting him to calm down than my daughter. She had been rocking him while I was showering and when I came back, my son was extending his arms toward me, wanting to come in my arms. The face she had, I will always remember. She threw him in my arms with such disdain. She was jealous of my bond with him, of how she simply could not compete with a mother.

Everyone that is healthy knows this is normal. A child and her/his mother. I mean. How can one even be jealous and try to compete with that? My BPD mother does, and doesn't accept defeat without a fight. And so I was the bad guy.

I don't know if this will resonate, or help you... But know I get it. And you are not the problem. I don't have much advice to give you other than : breathe, get back to yourself, take a little break from her until you settle back to ground zero maybe.  Virtual hug (click to insert in post)

It's ok to be sad. It's a relationship we might spend our life grieving. And it's ok. Self-care and self-compassion.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2023, 01:47:53 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2023, 01:51:09 PM »

Riv3rW0lf

Thank you for your thoughtful words and support. Everything you said resonates with me. I wasn't able to understand all of my feelings so it's hard for me to articulate it all when you are in the feeling/moment. You mention jealousy... YES, my mom has admitted she was jealous of me recently after I was NC and she was trying the get me to respond to her. It is like a competition when I am in her presence instead of just her supporting me as my mother. And I didn't ask to be in the competition.

I am proud of her that she is in therapy because I know that it is improving her quality of life. I can tell she is trying. The grief is still there though, knowing I can't let my guard down. It is hurtful. Can't get too close, you know? But I know that my parent and even my sibling who I believe is PD too and lives with parent, use the children to keep a sense of control. For instance, mom and brother do the whole buying gifts thing with the children. But my brother he doesn't actually want to buy anything. He will only bring up a gift so that he can be a part of something I guess. If he isn't a part of whatever he thinks is going on he doesn't give a gift. Or maybe he is just trying to get my attention? I don't know. I never take it serious cause he is very stingy. But I don't like him involving my children. It's weird.

My husband has been so supportive checking on me and how I feel, so I am grateful for that.  I think I will just stick to short visits with the children and I have told DS that. I think he sees things too but just wants to enjoy his grandma because we have very little family. I will do my best to support this.

I am going to write down all of my triggers to discuss them with my T tomorrow. I enjoyed a nice cup of coffee, pastry and my garden this morning when I woke and that helped to ground me a bit.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2023, 02:31:39 PM »

Hello Pink Panther,

Am glad you did some self care to help yourself feel better. That and frankly absence from my bpd mom helps.

I didn't realize your mother was in therapy.   It's good she's trying.  It's definitely to her advantage to keep going.

I'm not sure what high functioning means with bpd? I hope you don't mind me asking.

My mom doesn't have suicidal ideation and doesn't self harm but has the other symptoms. She had the opportunity to go to therapy over the years and refused to.  I don't know if it's fear or arrogance. She can go to both extremes daily.

I have a brother who was the golden child and is passive aggressive. He needed and needs a lot of propping up by my dad and from my mom when she was able. He's a difficult person. He ridicules me and bosses me around. I stay away. Have had enough abuse from my FOO already. I don't think we'll be in touch after our parents die.

I guess I want to say that it's ok for you to have the boundaries you choose to feel safe. My trust towards my FOO was broken a long time ago.  Even if they did a 180 on their behavior towards me, I would still be nc or low contact.









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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2023, 03:11:46 PM »

Visits to my BPD mother are difficult too- even if she's on her best behavior- there's the sense that she could change in an instant and often, she does. In a way, the "nice" behavior is more difficult because I don't trust it. If she's nice, I assume she wants something or she has an agenda. The angry/mean is difficult to experience, but in a way, it almost feels more authentic. She isn't faking that.

Self care helps- actually a warm shower- the sense of letting all the stress wash away. Then, do some nice things for yourself- I think we need some "inner child" indulgence- make your favorite food, binge watch a TV series...
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2023, 03:18:21 PM »

Once we know we can't trust our mother with BPD, and we know the nice behaviors are temporary and a performance, we walk on eggshells around them. 
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